Elizabeth Olten #1 10/22/09 - 10/29/09

[no rose colored glasses]

Supposedly a fan of Horrorcore Music    While the genre as a whole is not popular with mainstream audiences, performers such as Insane Clown Posse, Twiztid and Necro have sold well.[1] The genre has thrived in Internet culture and sustains an annual "supershow" in Detroit called "Wickedstock".[9] According to the January 2004 BBC documentary Underground USA, the subgenre "has a massive following across the US" and "is spreading to Europe".[9] Horror magazine Fangoria put horrorcore in the spotlight by reviewing the top iconic horrorcore albums. [10]

On September 18, 2009, police arrested Richard Samuel McCroskey III, a 20-year-old horrorcore rapper who goes by the name of "Syko Sam", for suspicion of killing Mark Niederbrock, a pastor in Farmville, Virginia. Niederbrock's body was found along with three others at the scene.[11]
 

[jill]

Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

This is just beyond sad that a 15 yr old girl could do something like this. I am an old woman....what does EMO mean? Never heard of it here in the south.

here, darla:

http://www.luv-emo.com/

[Northern Rose]

Interresting comment.  Elizabeth wasn't that small.  How would a 15yr old manage to conceal the body?  Was a grave already pre dug?

http://www.**/articles/2009/10/25/news_local/068local02olten09.txt

watching2 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:23 AM:
" My heart goes out to the Family's involved...

There are alot of questions by many I am sure..

I think alot more is going to come out in this case, Just too strange that this happen before or right as the report came out,If that is the case how did this person do all this without being spotted as the search was going on by friends and family that night. How did this person "well conceal" the girl alone? The young girl was young but she was not that small of a girl.

Either way I pray everyday for Elizabeths Family and The Accused Teens Family.

And looking at her pics AB does not look like a *bigger/stonger* girl than most 15 year olds...makes you wonder i guess.

     I have not seen any pics of her. Maybe she lured her into the woods, I'm guessing that wouldn't be too hard for a 15 year old to convince a 9 year old to come with her. If this is her, this is one dark girl reading some of the tweets.

Her picture is posted on her myspace as well as twitter.  The one she has on twitter looks EMO/Goth or whatever you want to call it.

[no rose colored glasses]

Emo (pronounced /ˈiːmoʊ/) is a style of rock music typically characterized by melodic musicianship and expressive, often confessional lyrics. It originated in the mid-1980s hardcore punk movement of Washington, D.C., where it was known as "emotional hardcore" or "emocore" and pioneered by bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace. As the style was echoed by contemporary American punk bands, its sound and meaning shifted and changed, blending with pop punk and indie rock and encapsulated in the early 1990s by groups such as Jawbreaker and Sunny Day Real Estate. By the mid 1990s numerous emo acts emerged from the Midwestern and Central United States, and several independent record labels began to specialize in the style.

Emo broke into mainstream culture in the early 2000s with the platinum-selling success of Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional and the emergence of the more aggressive subgenre "screamo". In recent years the term "emo" has been applied by critics and journalists to a variety of artists, including multiplatinum acts such as Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance and disparate groups such as Coheed and Cambria and Panic at the Disco.

In addition to music, "emo" is often used more generally to signify a particular relationship between fans and artists, and to describe related aspects of fashion, culture, and behavior.
 

[no rose colored glasses]

 That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing 

[Northern Rose]

That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing 

I hope I don't get in trouble if I describe what she is wearing?

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm wondering if the killer used Elizabeth's phone, since her phone was taken away for two weeks, if she made some calls on it?

[Leroy]

That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing 

are you looking at myspace?

[no rose colored glasses]

That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing 

I hope I don't get in trouble if I describe what she is wearing?

I looked at it early this morning, and I can't even tell you, it was small, and I just figured I was looking at the wrong pic, all I basically saw was dark hair, dark hair like my younger daughter use to dye her hair, to fit the EMO or Goth look.

[no rose colored glasses]

That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing 

are you looking at myspace?

No, someone on another forum was saying to go to google and put in a tweet from this girl, and I did, and a very tiny pic came up. I am not a twitter/myspace/facebook person so I really don't how to find stuff. 

[Fanny Mae]

My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.

[Northern Rose]

so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?

I've seen it around, on WS and other sites.  It will come out and I'm not sure it shouldn't.

Someone on twitter already poster that she was the suspect and her account last night.  A noticed from when I found her to when the alligation was made last night her followers went up from the two people she had so others know.

I started digging on the friend on Friday when the news came out and came up with the same family.  Mom has been in and out of jail, Dad is still in jail for drugs, 1st degree assault.  The last child (EA) has a different dad and I think that may have been the friend Elizabeth was visiting.  Grandma took over guardianship of all four kids from her daughter including the one everyone is thinking did this.  The  boys have not been on their myspace accounts since Oct 21.  What is even sadder is they had Elizabeth's older brother as a friend on their myspace accounts.

Northern - good to see you.

One thing I haven't been able to find is links from her to any friend except one.  Luckily, most of these kids have private myspaces.

I haven't checked her siblings myspaces.

If you search on Myspace with her user name and change the search from people to Myspace you find anywhere her name comes up.  You will find the group she set up , initials G L,  as well as her video channel and other users she has left comments on.

[darla]

Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.

[no rose colored glasses]

My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.

    Wow, she is a minor I thought that wasn't allowed   

[jill]

so, I'm looking at docket entries for the POI's mother.  She was just sentenced to 2 years probation on 9/29/09 for what appears to be an alcohol related crime.

[Northern Rose]

My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.

That did not take long at all.  I am surprised they would show her pic as she is a minor.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.

  I feel so stupid, because I can't find anything, I guess I'll wait    Scary isn't it a daycare around this girl. You know with anything a lot of kids go through phases, I had the long hair ripped jeans, hippy look going, and listened to all that devil music  My younger daughter with the EMO phase, just a way to hang together and be all depressed. Music, and video games and violent movies, if stuff like that compells you to be violent, that was already in you, imo.

[Northern Rose]

Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.

I am not sure a tiny town in the middle of no where is safe anymore after this week.  If you take a look at where Elizabeth lived it looked safe, nice houses and yards, then you dig deeper and SO lived next to her, lots of meth around and she was murdered walking 4 houses home.  Tori Stafford lived in a small town in the middle of no where and did not make it home from school. 

[no rose colored glasses]

My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.

That did not take long at all.  I am surprised they would show her pic as she is a minor.

I really thought that showing a pic of a minor wasn't allowed, maybe they just slipped it in there 

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.

I am not sure a tiny town in the middle of no where is safe anymore after this week.  If you take a look at where Elizabeth lived it looked safe, nice houses and yards, then you dig deeper and SO lived next to her, lots of meth around and she was murdered walking 4 houses home.  Tori Stafford lived in a small town in the middle of no where and did not make it home from school. 

Very, very true unfortunately  You are not safe anywhere, I just saw that this morning about a SO right there in the neighborhood.