Elizabeth Olten #2 10/29/09 - 11/18/09

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.missourinet.com/2009/11/09/missouri-missing-helps-in-searches-olten-case/

Missouri Missing helps in searches, Olten case
by Jessica Machetta on November 9, 2009
in Crime & Courts

[Wyks]

Hi, all!  I am new here and have been lurking around the 'net to decide which group I wanted to join.  Glad I did that for a couple of weeks to see what everyone else was all about!  I'm excited to be here with you monkeys.     Like many of the other newbies have mentioned, this case has grabbed me and won't let go.  I don't want to see it slow down and hope the focus stays on it so justice can be served for sweet Elizabeth.

I do have a theory of my own that I thought I would share...let me know what you think!  Isn't it possible that AB did some terrible things while living in CA that prompted them to get away and move to MO?   That info would not be known since she is a juvenile.  Until/unless her name and picture were widely broadcast, people who would know her in CA would not have a clue about her current situation, right?  Perhaps that is why her attorney said that about "this particular juvenile" getting a fair trial anywhere.  As intrigued as I have been about this, I am surprised to find that most people don't even know about it.  I was at a business dinner last week with people from five different states (Arizona, Alabama, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Iowa), and NOT ONE of them had even heard about this case.  Just made me wonder what else might be hiding in her juvenile file.  Hmmm.

Anyway, I'm glad to be here and look forward to hanging out with all of you!

Interesting theory, FBIwannabe!  Thanks for sharing that.  It sure might help to explain that statement by ABs attorney, "..this particular juvenile..", which sounds very carefully worded and yes, intriguing.  He chose those words for a reason, am sure.  They leapt out at me from the start, and I can't for the life of me figure out what he means by that phrase.  So your theory makes sense to me, and very possibly on target.  Wish there was a way to know, but dang it, we have to wait. 

[Wyks]

O/T I am worried about NORTHERN ROSE. She hasn't been on in a few days, and she has had sickness in her family. She hasn't answered my e-mails either, so I hope we can pray for her. 

She's still in my thoughts and prayers, Fanny.  Hoping today brings news from her!! 

[Wyks]

I'm pretty sure JME is a female, but that's just my opinion. 

One or the other, that's for sure!   

[MonaSuzy]

I'm new here also and I'm really impressed with you monkees. Thanks for letting me be here!!!!!!!!!

[Wyks]

http://www.missourinet.com/2009/11/09/missouri-missing-helps-in-searches-olten-case/

Missouri Missing helps in searches, Olten case
by Jessica Machetta on November 9, 2009
in Crime & Courts

Thanks Trimm!   

[Wyks]

Hi MonaSuzy, and welcome!   

[MuffyBee]

O/T I am worried about NORTHERN ROSE. She hasn't been on in a few days, and she has had sickness in her family. She hasn't answered my e-mails either, so I hope we can pray for her. 

OT
I checked and her last post was on Elizabeth Olten's thread, Nov. 06, 3:33p.m.  Last active (meaning she logged in to read maybe  but didn't post) Nov. 06, 9:32 p.m.  I hope Northern Rose is back again soon.  She's missed. 

[Fanny Mae]

I'm new here also and I'm really impressed with you monkees. Thanks for letting me be here!!!!!!!!!

Hi! MONASUZY! Welcome! 

[Fanny Mae]

O/T I am worried about NORTHERN ROSE. She hasn't been on in a few days, and she has had sickness in her family. She hasn't answered my e-mails either, so I hope we can pray for her. 

OT
I checked and her last post was on Elizabeth Olten's thread, Nov. 06, 3:33p.m.  Last active (meaning she logged in to read maybe  but didn't post) Nov. 06, 9:32 p.m.  I hope Northern Rose is back again soon.  She's missed. 

Thanks MUFFY BEE. 

[Jan_in_Tx]

Welcome to the new monkeys!! FBIwannabe: I think you are on the right track, that is a very good explanation of the statement "this particular juvenile"...I really wish someone who knows AB and doesn't care much for her would get on and answer all of these questions! It seems like the only people who "know her" or "knows someone who knows her" are on her side. I hate waiting, and I hate not knowing if we will ever know the truth. I'm really hoping that she is tried as an adult so some of these questions can be answered, but I'm scared that she may not be. Mainly because of the secrecy and the wiping of internet posts, etc. From what I've concluded about the JC LE, I guess it depends on which family has the stronger connections. Something is definitely stinky about this whole case.  IMHO of course...

It's a shame that justice hasn't been served yet bc AB is a juvenile...BIG DEAL! SHE'S ALSO A MURDERER, and her mother wasn't too young to understand how life works when she had AB at age 15. I feel that its time for everything to be released, why are they protecting this monster?! It's wrong on so many levels, but most importantly it's wrong to protect baby Elizabeth's cold blooded killer!  JUSTICE FOR ELIZABETH  is all that matters... ugh 9 more days...

ok, done with my rant...hope you all had a great weekend, prayers for northern rose and her family...come back to us soon! 

[Fanny Mae]

O/T I just got an e-mail from NORTHERN ROSE. Her family has been very sick with H1N1, and some are just coming down with it. She says she appreciate the prayers. 

[Fanny Mae]

Welcome to the new monkeys!! FBIwannabe: I think you are on the right track, that is a very good explanation of the statement "this particular juvenile"...I really wish someone who knows AB and doesn't care much for her would get on and answer all of these questions! It seems like the only people who "know her" or "knows someone who knows her" are on her side. I hate waiting, and I hate not knowing if we will ever know the truth. I'm really hoping that she is tried as an adult so some of these questions can be answered, but I'm scared that she may not be. Mainly because of the secrecy and the wiping of internet posts, etc. From what I've concluded about the JC LE, I guess it depends on which family has the stronger connections. Something is definitely stinky about this whole case.  IMHO of course...

It's a shame that justice hasn't been served yet bc AB is a juvenile...BIG DEAL! SHE'S ALSO A MURDERER, and her mother wasn't too young to understand how life works when she had AB at age 15. I feel that its time for everything to be released, why are they protecting this monster?! It's wrong on so many levels, but most importantly it's wrong to protect baby Elizabeth's cold blooded killer!  JUSTICE FOR ELIZABETH  is all that matters... ugh 9 more days...

ok, done with my rant...hope you all had a great weekend, prayers for northern rose and her family...come back to us soon! 

I am so worried that 9 days is not going to answer anything for us. They are doing all they can to charge her as a juvenile. I hope to God I am wrong, but there are too many people with power that are blocking info about her at every avenue. Justice for Elizabeth! 

[Jan_in_Tx]

my thoughts exactly fanny...

[bigmoney]

Does anyone have any pictures they can or want to share? I there has been a lot of picture taking going on ( at least earlier ) my local news staions didnt cover this much either. I am also VERY surprised that this has somehow dropped out of the news. VERY strange!

[Txsflame]

 I have asked myself why I chose this forum to sign up with. I read them all whe this case broke. I just relaized today the exact reason I went here.. It seems to ME, too many on the other, just pick one bone(even if that bone doesnt make sense) and stick with it.(not saying they are ALL bad)

 That being said thanks for keeping the discussion going and seeing and being ok with diffrneces of opinion.

[Fanny Mae]

Does anyone have any pictures they can or want to share? I there has been a lot of picture taking going on ( at least earlier ) my local news staions didnt cover this much either. I am also VERY surprised that this has somehow dropped out of the news. VERY strange!

Unfortunately, it seems that the pictures have been wiped off the news sites. I am looking for a photobucket for you.

[Fanny Mae]

Does anyone have any pictures they can or want to share? I there has been a lot of picture taking going on ( at least earlier ) my local news staions didnt cover this much either. I am also VERY surprised that this has somehow dropped out of the news. VERY strange!

Unfortunately, it seems that the pictures have been wiped off the news sites. I am looking for a photobucket for you.

Here is a link to a Photobucket.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/

[can]

Welcome to all the new Monkeys!   

[three left feet]

There was actually an article in the local paper yesterday so I thought "okay, I'll go post the link."  Already it's a $2.95 charge to access it.  The title was "Children in Court" and the sub-heading was "A basic guide to the juvenile justice system."  It explained state law as it applies to juveniles.  I'll try to get a copy of the article scanned and uploaded somewhere.   

One point noted was that at the certification hearing on Nov 18 (8:00 am), "the prosecutor won't lay out his evidence for an adult trial, because state law says: 'No testimony given by the prosecutor may be used as evidence in any subsequent stage of the juvenile or criminal case.'"  The statement was given so that people wouldn't be expecting details of the crime.

The thing I really don't follow and I've been trying to figure out the logic based on various reports is "If Beetem [the judge] determines the juvenile will be tried as an adult, the teen's identity, gender and at least some details of the crime will be released to the public when Prosecutor Mark Richardson files charges in the adult court system.

"If the judge decides the case should continue in the juvenile system, some details of the crime and the juvenile court's handling of the case will be reported after the process is finished."    http://www.**/articles/2009/10/30/news_local/063local03open09.txt

AB is supposed to appear in person at the hearing.  No cameras or recording equipment is supposed to be allowed, but unless they're going to disguise her identity then everyone will know gender and will be able to self-confirm identity based on all of the internet website info.  I'm not arguing for juvenile charges, but if it's a possiblity she might end up there, what's the thinking in opening the proceedings to the public?  Just wondering.