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« Reply #1420 on: November 11, 2009, 08:36:42 PM »

Hi I am new. I have been obsessing over this case since it started. EO looks a lot like my own child, and AB doesn't strike me like the kind of kid I would pick to be a murderer.
One thing I've wondered about is this, I have read somewhere that AB took Prozac. It seems like a rumor but it is a scary one. My mother was bipolar and she was put on an SSRI and had a psychotic break. It took many months to get her somewhat stable and then she died. I was against putting her on it because I knew that bad things can happen when bipolar people are put on these types of drugs. Her doctors assured my brother that my mother wasn't bipolar and was depressed, and the next thing you know she is trying to work as a doctor.
So if AB is bipolar and was given these drugs will that effect her chances of being tried as an adult? Is having this kind of reaction a valid insanity defence?
I hope not.
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« Reply #1421 on: November 11, 2009, 08:57:26 PM »

Very interesting GemXx I related to something similar in a post earlier in this thread.I am Bi Polar and was on the wrong meds (depression meds) most of my early teenage years.I actually was more suicidal and even attempted suicide while on Prozac. It is a scary thought that maybe a misdiagnosis of AB could have contributed to this behavior.If you factor in different childhood experiences and environment the different outcomes are frightening.I have lost a close loved one from being on  klonopin  and it causing a "mental break" if you will. I do not excuse this crime for being on the wrong meds or anything of that sort this is horrific.I just want to believe that we can learn from this tragedy.And try to help our youth that are struggleing with internal issues and just don't know how to ask for help.I honestly believe Ab should be tried as an adult .After a person is apart of such an act such as murder they are forever changed.People like that should not be trusted around our children.I am a mother of 2 (7and3) and this story breaks my heart in many different ways.
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« Reply #1422 on: November 11, 2009, 09:11:44 PM »


Latest rumor, this one just posted at IS:

"I'm hearing word that LE has found a deer tape made that caught the murder and proves that the POI had accomplices. Has anyone else heard anything of the sort? As I said, at this point it's just a rumor. I'm just looking to see if there's any sort of local corroboration. "

a 'deer tape' is from a trail camera set up in an area, pics/video, triggered by deer and other movement.  this being deer hunting season, could very well be.  i dunno.  any locals hearing about this? 


a deer cam?  hmmm... interesting.
I was doing some investigating on the internet last night and came across that too. At first it made me feel sick to my stomach...but then I thought it could prove to be a good thing to show who all was involved.
Are we allowed to mention the name of the websites we find our information from? I'm new here...so thought I would just make sure. Also does anyone know what time AB goes to court on the 18th? 

Yes, and I really would like a link back to that site.  I don't care what site it is unless it's an X rated or pornographic site (we don't allow x-rated or porn here)
Here is the link where I read about a possible video capture from a hunters deer cam. From what I've been told hunters set up deer cams just prior to deer hunting season.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31
Go to this link and scroll down to EO name.

Interesting if true but I would be surprised.  Here is the exact post by Aelliott at the IS site:

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I'm hearing word that LE has found a deer tape made that caught the murder and proves that the POI had accomplices. Has anyone else heard anything of the sort? As I said, at this point it's just a rumor. I'm just looking to see if there's any sort of local corroboration.
I seriously doubt that. That sounds pretty far fetched. Of course I dont know.... I just doubt it.  JMO
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« Reply #1423 on: November 11, 2009, 09:12:12 PM »

Hi I am new. I have been obsessing over this case since it started. EO looks a lot like my own child, and AB doesn't strike me like the kind of kid I would pick to be a murderer.
One thing I've wondered about is this, I have read somewhere that AB took Prozac. It seems like a rumor but it is a scary one. My mother was bipolar and she was put on an SSRI and had a psychotic break. It took many months to get her somewhat stable and then she died. I was against putting her on it because I knew that bad things can happen when bipolar people are put on these types of drugs. Her doctors assured my brother that my mother wasn't bipolar and was depressed, and the next thing you know she is trying to work as a doctor.
So if AB is bipolar and was given these drugs will that effect her chances of being tried as an adult? Is having this kind of reaction a valid insanity defence?
I hope not.


 Just info.. Plz all be weary of thinking someone doesnt look like a killer, child molester, etc.. I worked in a male prison for 2 years. I worked all over, but  mostly in the Protected Custody building. Most of the inmates I dealt with daily were very polite, and caring and I do feel would have had my back had anyone gone after me. Some were very silly, some very intelligent. Many were good looking men, others well not so much..lol  After being there awhile my sleuthing nature took over and I got in the bad habit of looking up inmates to see what they had done.. MOST of the so sweet polite guys I was dealing with..were child molesters. As a survivor of multiple molestations as I child I thought if anyone could pick a molestor it would be me... I was shocked.

 I am NOT bashing anyone that says  soso "didnt look like a killer or etc" I just wanted to share that, because too often we get complacient, especially those of who follow true crimes, and we may get where we think we can "spot" them, and that just isnt possible.

 Also small dsiclaimer I never ever gave an inmate a chance to get "close" to me, no matter who nice, sweet, charming they were , they were still wearing white and I could not trust them . I came from a prison family, and I know the tricks the guys could pull, and those I didnt already know I quickly learned by being watchful, and attentive.
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« Reply #1424 on: November 11, 2009, 09:16:11 PM »

Hi I am new. I have been obsessing over this case since it started. EO looks a lot like my own child, and AB doesn't strike me like the kind of kid I would pick to be a murderer.
One thing I've wondered about is this, I have read somewhere that AB took Prozac. It seems like a rumor but it is a scary one. My mother was bipolar and she was put on an SSRI and had a psychotic break. It took many months to get her somewhat stable and then she died. I was against putting her on it because I knew that bad things can happen when bipolar people are put on these types of drugs. Her doctors assured my brother that my mother wasn't bipolar and was depressed, and the next thing you know she is trying to work as a doctor.
So if AB is bipolar and was given these drugs will that effect her chances of being tried as an adult? Is having this kind of reaction a valid insanity defence?
I hope not.


 Just info.. Plz all be weary of thinking someone doesnt look like a killer, child molester, etc.. I worked in a male prison for 2 years. I worked all over, but  mostly in the Protected Custody building. Most of the inmates I dealt with daily were very polite, and caring and I do feel would have had my back had anyone gone after me. Some were very silly, some very intelligent. Many were good looking men, others well not so much..lol  After being there awhile my sleuthing nature took over and I got in the bad habit of looking up inmates to see what they had done.. MOST of the so sweet polite guys I was dealing with..were child molesters. As a survivor of multiple molestations as I child I thought if anyone could pick a molestor it would be me... I was shocked.

 I am NOT bashing anyone that says  soso "didnt look like a killer or etc" I just wanted to share that, because too often we get complacient, especially those of who follow true crimes, and we may get where we think we can "spot" them, and that just isnt possible.

 Also small dsiclaimer I never ever gave an inmate a chance to get "close" to me, no matter who nice, sweet, charming they were , they were still wearing white and I could not trust them . I came from a prison family, and I know the tricks the guys could pull, and those I didnt already know I quickly learned by being watchful, and attentive.


Aww man I did not mean to use this quote, and I swear I wasnt singling you out..plz forgive me. Your post just got me thinking of how many times i have heard AB doesnt look like a killer, and how often I have thought that before, and wanted to share that experience..

I am doomed to screww up..
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« Reply #1425 on: November 11, 2009, 09:20:02 PM »

Txsflame - don't worry about it, we knew what you meant 

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« Reply #1426 on: November 11, 2009, 09:28:12 PM »

I seriously doubt that. That sounds pretty far fetched. Of course I dont know.... I just doubt it.  JMO

I have heard rumors last week that there might be more people involved, but nothing more than rumors. As far as a game camera, yes they are popular around here, and I do know someone hunts in those woods, as there is a truck parked at a gate right past the GP's home during turkey and deer season every year. This would be south of their old house, possible the hunter has rights to the wooded area behind the homes? Probably just a rumor as more people would be under arrest... Wait a minute, is AB actually under arrest as a juvi, or just being held? Hmmmmmm.?..?



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« Reply #1427 on: November 11, 2009, 09:38:55 PM »


Latest rumor, this one just posted at IS:

"I'm hearing word that LE has found a deer tape made that caught the murder and proves that the POI had accomplices. Has anyone else heard anything of the sort? As I said, at this point it's just a rumor. I'm just looking to see if there's any sort of local corroboration. "

a 'deer tape' is from a trail camera set up in an area, pics/video, triggered by deer and other movement.  this being deer hunting season, could very well be.  i dunno.  any locals hearing about this? 


a deer cam?  hmmm... interesting.
I was doing some investigating on the internet last night and came across that too. At first it made me feel sick to my stomach...but then I thought it could prove to be a good thing to show who all was involved.
Are we allowed to mention the name of the websites we find our information from? I'm new here...so thought I would just make sure. Also does anyone know what time AB goes to court on the 18th? 

Yes, and I really would like a link back to that site.  I don't care what site it is unless it's an X rated or pornographic site (we don't allow x-rated or porn here)
Here is the link where I read about a possible video capture from a hunters deer cam. From what I've been told hunters set up deer cams just prior to deer hunting season.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31
Go to this link and scroll down to EO name.

ok, I'm still catching up, but does anyone know about this "cat video" they are talking about over there??? I guessed I didn't see it when I was checking out her youtube...did any of you? This is the first I've heard of it...
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« Reply #1428 on: November 11, 2009, 09:46:43 PM »

Here is another mystery:
Just heard this on Nancy Grace and the following is from her web:
Louise Bishop and her daughter Christina were last seen on June 18 leaving a Sam’s Club in Bentonville, Arkansas. Surveillance video captures the duo checking out of the wholesale club at about 5:36pm that day. That was the last time anyone saw either Louise or Christina Bishop. The family became concerned a few days later when Louise’s nephew came by the house to check on them June 20 and found the front door open, groceries and medications on the counter, the family’s Pomeranian quivering in the corner, and no sign of Louise or Christine.

Louise Bishop / Christina Bishop

The nephew, George Skupien, told cops he last spoke with both of them between 8 and 9pm the night of June 18, speaking with Christina on her cell phone while she was out getting gas, and talking to 81 year old Louise at home. Skupien says he never heard from them the following day, but thought nothing of it because Louise had a doctor’s appointment and was busy that day. Skupien began to get worried though when he didn’t hear from them the following day, and that’s when he went over the home and made the scary discovery.
The Truck
A little over a month after Louise and Christina Bishop were last seen, their car, a black 1997 Toyota pickup, was located about 20 miles north at a strip club in southern Missouri. Investigators say they believe the truck was abandoned in the parking lot of the strip club not long after Louise and Christina went missing. Managers of the strip club reportedly told cops the car had sat in the parking lot for weeks before it was towed. The towing company says when they picked up the truck, there was a message scrawled on the back glass in soap or lipstick that read: “Free truck, just tow”. The car was taken to the crime lab for processing, investigators will not reveal what evidence, if any, was found in the truck. Police continue to actively investigate the disappearance and say they suspect foul play. The family is now offering a $25,000 reward for information leading to the whereabouts of Louise Bishop and/or Christina Bishop. The reward will only be in affect until December 10, 2009. If you have any information, please call Bentonville Police at (479) 271-3170

Shopped at this particular Sam's Club about two weeks ago.

I'm a new monkey. Forgive the intrusion. Nothing said by anyone, nor any local news of this and they have been missing since JUNE 18.
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« Reply #1429 on: November 11, 2009, 10:22:03 PM »


ok, I'm still catching up, but does anyone know about this "cat video" they are talking about over there??? I guessed I didn't see it when I was checking out her youtube...did any of you? This is the first I've heard of it...

I read about this over on IS, and it is a disgusting government video of a LSD experiment on a cat.  Supposedly AB had this video marked as one of her favorites on youtube.

The video is still there, and can be found if you search "cat on lsd".  Although I don't recommend you watch it if you're an animal lover.   
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« Reply #1430 on: November 11, 2009, 10:28:34 PM »


ok, I'm still catching up, but does anyone know about this "cat video" they are talking about over there??? I guessed I didn't see it when I was checking out her youtube...did any of you? This is the first I've heard of it...

I read about this over on IS, and it is a disgusting government video of a LSD experiment on a cat.  Supposedly AB had this video marked as one of her favorites on youtube.

The video is still there, and can be found if you search "cat on lsd".  Although I don't recommend you watch it if you're an animal lover.   

ok ty fur, i will definitely refrain from watching that one...
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« Reply #1431 on: November 11, 2009, 10:39:32 PM »

Welcome Yoder and Furmonkey!

Furmonkey - I saw that video, pretty sick.   
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« Reply #1432 on: November 11, 2009, 11:31:22 PM »

Hi I am new. I have been obsessing over this case since it started. EO looks a lot like my own child, and AB doesn't strike me like the kind of kid I would pick to be a murderer.
One thing I've wondered about is this, I have read somewhere that AB took Prozac. It seems like a rumor but it is a scary one. My mother was bipolar and she was put on an SSRI and had a psychotic break. It took many months to get her somewhat stable and then she died. I was against putting her on it because I knew that bad things can happen when bipolar people are put on these types of drugs. Her doctors assured my brother that my mother wasn't bipolar and was depressed, and the next thing you know she is trying to work as a doctor.
So if AB is bipolar and was given these drugs will that effect her chances of being tried as an adult? Is having this kind of reaction a valid insanity defence?
I hope not.


 Just info.. Plz all be weary of thinking someone doesnt look like a killer, child molester, etc.. I worked in a male prison for 2 years. I worked all over, but  mostly in the Protected Custody building. Most of the inmates I dealt with daily were very polite, and caring and I do feel would have had my back had anyone gone after me. Some were very silly, some very intelligent. Many were good looking men, others well not so much..lol  After being there awhile my sleuthing nature took over and I got in the bad habit of looking up inmates to see what they had done.. MOST of the so sweet polite guys I was dealing with..were child molesters. As a survivor of multiple molestations as I child I thought if anyone could pick a molestor it would be me... I was shocked.

 I am NOT bashing anyone that says  soso "didnt look like a killer or etc" I just wanted to share that, because too often we get complacient, especially those of who follow true crimes, and we may get where we think we can "spot" them, and that just isnt possible.

 Also small dsiclaimer I never ever gave an inmate a chance to get "close" to me, no matter who nice, sweet, charming they were , they were still wearing white and I could not trust them . I came from a prison family, and I know the tricks the guys could pull, and those I didnt already know I quickly learned by being watchful, and attentive.

This is so true. My kids think I am nuts that I worry about them walking anywhere alone.
Honestly, with this case it is the fact that she is a teen age girl that freaks me out so much. I thought when it was announced that it was a girl that it would later be a mistake. I hope that we get more information about what is going on. It just makes no sense to me.
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« Reply #1433 on: November 12, 2009, 08:08:19 AM »

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Ukrainian pneumonic plague
It appears that a new plague has hit Ukrainian infecting over 500,000  killing several hundred, but not a word from MSM. WHO states its probably a form of h1n1 but people r dying with hemoradic  conditions. Lungs filling with blood and high fevers; Why we are not being informed about this in USA ?

http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/11/is-baxter-behind-outbreak-of-pneumonic.html

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Actually, something like this is happening in the US - I have a friend that works in the PICU and said that there is a new pneumonia that is causing the same symptoms you are describing.
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« Reply #1434 on: November 12, 2009, 10:47:28 AM »

I seriously doubt that. That sounds pretty far fetched. Of course I dont know.... I just doubt it.  JMO

I have heard rumors last week that there might be more people involved, but nothing more than rumors. As far as a game camera, yes they are popular around here, and I do know someone hunts in those woods, as there is a truck parked at a gate right past the GP's home during turkey and deer season every year. This would be south of their old house, possible the hunter has rights to the wooded area behind the homes? Probably just a rumor as more people would be under arrest... Wait a minute, is AB actually under arrest as a juvi, or just being held? Hmmmmmm.?..?





She has been charged with first-degree murder so you would hope that she is under arrest. 

It a very good question though as all I am find is that she is in Juvi until the certification hearing Nov 18th to decide if she goes to adult court or stays in Juvi.  Would the arrest have to wait till they know which court system is trying her?


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« Reply #1435 on: November 12, 2009, 10:51:54 AM »

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As a small-town local who was a victim of assault, I applaud Nancy Grace and her efforts for victims of crime. Until you are one, you have no idea how unjust the system is towards victims. Small town news is equally dubious in not reporting the bad things that happen in our quaint, nothing-bad-ever-happens-here towns. We need to know what is going on in our towns, and our nation's towns - "See no Evil, Hear No Evil"...doesn't work anymore. And why is this community taking so long to reveal her name, which we all know, when a 14-year-old hispanic boy in CA killed a 4-year-old on Saturday & he has already been to court, named and will be tried as an adult. White girl w/ money....in the "Heartland"? Hmmm...you folks waiting for the Supreme Court ruling or what? It shows how little you think of Elizabeth, probably b/c of her family.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366962
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« Reply #1436 on: November 12, 2009, 12:24:33 PM »

Reader comment:

Small towns need more news coverage, victims need a
 
As a small-town local who was a victim of assault, I applaud Nancy Grace and her efforts for victims of crime. Until you are one, you have no idea how unjust the system is towards victims. Small town news is equally dubious in not reporting the bad things that happen in our quaint, nothing-bad-ever-happens-here towns. We need to know what is going on in our towns, and our nation's towns - "See no Evil, Hear No Evil"...doesn't work anymore. And why is this community taking so long to reveal her name, which we all know, when a 14-year-old hispanic boy in CA killed a 4-year-old on Saturday & he has already been to court, named and will be tried as an adult. White girl w/ money....in the "Heartland"? Hmmm...you folks waiting for the Supreme Court ruling or what? It shows how little you think of Elizabeth, probably b/c of her family.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366962
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« Reply #1437 on: November 12, 2009, 04:13:24 PM »

My brother, who lives in rural Missouri, has one of those deer cams.  It is quite possible the authorities do have something like this.  Although, I would think we would hear of other arrests. 
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« Reply #1438 on: November 12, 2009, 04:54:23 PM »

My brother, who lives in rural Missouri, has one of those deer cams.  It is quite possible the authorities do have something like this.  Although, I would think we would hear of other arrests. 

The way that county is locked down, I don't think we would know if there had been any more arrests. JMO
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« Reply #1439 on: November 12, 2009, 04:57:29 PM »

I seriously doubt that. That sounds pretty far fetched. Of course I dont know.... I just doubt it.  JMO

I have heard rumors last week that there might be more people involved, but nothing more than rumors. As far as a game camera, yes they are popular around here, and I do know someone hunts in those woods, as there is a truck parked at a gate right past the GP's home during turkey and deer season every year. This would be south of their old house, possible the hunter has rights to the wooded area behind the homes? Probably just a rumor as more people would be under arrest... Wait a minute, is AB actually under arrest as a juvi, or just being held? Hmmmmmm.?..?





She has been charged with first-degree murder so you would hope that she is under arrest. 

It a very good question though as all I am find is that she is in Juvi until the certification hearing Nov 18th to decide if she goes to adult court or stays in Juvi.  Would the arrest have to wait till they know which court system is trying her?




I have a feeling she is where ever her family is and is being "monitored" by juvenile counselors. JMO
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