Elizabeth Olten #2 10/29/09 - 11/18/09

[cherjers]

Goodmorning monkeys-another strange case-do i have this right--its cold and raining-children are playing outside-EO mom calls and tells her to come home does not  pick her up -lets  her walk home in the cold and rain.  the grand parent grandson are at EO house they dont offer to pick them up-either one of them could have taken the child that was at their house home and brought their child back.  I think most of us would have doen that-it only a short ride-AB did it not defending her-but it seems to me this children were left to-fend forthemselves---as so many children are left today

It had been raining for several days, sometimes quite heavy, but it was not raining that day late afternoon into early evening.  My recollection is that it started again just after 8:00 p.m.  It was also not particularly cold as I was outside without a jacket.  I'm sure all the rain made the woods and terrain difficult to walk, for LE, but also for AB and Elizabeth.  Maybe the rain helped conceal the crime in that the leaves would all be wet and flat.

Also, I read somewhere here or WS that the kids were outside playing in the driveway.  I also read that the driveway (and I think yard in general) was dirt and gravel.  Given all the rain we'd had, they would have had to be playing in mud.  I can't imagine GP letting kids out to play knowing that. 

I think many kids walk 1000 feet on their own.  The school buses won't pick up kids that live within a mile of school so we have many walkers there also, and that's over 5000 feet.  They say Elizabeth walked through her neighbor's yards, 30-40 feet from the road, and I think that was a good safety step given the proximity to Hwy 50.  I might go out and watch my child/child's friend walk the distance, but I don't know that I would drive it either.

  thanks - for clearing that up- I htought the weather was very bad and the  kids were playing outside.

[SloSthrnStyle]

G'Morning Monkeys,

Mz Smooth is online right now, her picture has changed again, but I dont see anything else has changed.

[N2WISHN]

So many questions surround the way this case has been handled since EO was first reported missing and they just keep coming…….Why the hold up in determining if this murderer should be tried as an adult. Here’s an article on the murder of a 4 year old, whose body was just found Saturday, murdered by a 14 year old ……The decision was quickly made to charge as an adult, as it should be…….


http://cbs13.com/local/teen.charged.mendota.2.1290283.html

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Fresno County District Attorney Elizabeth Egan says Raul Renato Castro was charged as an adult when the murder charge was filed against him Tuesday.

[SloSthrnStyle]

I went to the other myspace page, the one that Smooth had made with someone else.  Found this person listed.  Wondering if its smooth's brother.

http://www.myspace.com/a-stranded-polar-bear

[no rose colored glasses]

So many questions surround the way this case has been handled since EO was first reported missing and they just keep coming…….Why the hold up in determining if this murderer should be tried as an adult. Here’s an article on the murder of a 4 year old, whose body was just found Saturday, murdered by a 14 year old ……The decision was quickly made to charge as an adult, as it should be…….


http://cbs13.com/local/teen.charged.mendota.2.1290283.html

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Fresno County District Attorney Elizabeth Egan says Raul Renato Castro was charged as an adult when the murder charge was filed against him Tuesday.

I saw that this morning about Castro being charged as an adult.  WELCOME to all new monkeys     I do have my doubts about AB being tried as an adult, but we will see soon I'm sure.

[no rose colored glasses]

I went to the other myspace page, the one that Smooth had made with someone else.  Found this person listed.  Wondering if its smooth's brother.

http://www.myspace.com/a-stranded-polar-bear

Could be, thanks 

[New Monkey]

I wondered the same thing about MR being CR's brother.  I also found an Amber R. that I'm pretty sure is Smooth's sistah.

Can I give more here than just initials on another person I show living in that house?  I don't know what the rules are here and don't want to cause any trouble.

[Ramblin Rose]

G'Morning Monkeys,

Mz Smooth is online right now, her picture has changed again, but I dont see anything else has changed.

Does anyone know if Mz Smooth is still a student? Just wondering how she is managing to log onto the computer if she is in school....especially her MS page. I know most schools block access to MS or other social networking sites.

[New Monkey]

Do y'all know who the boyfriend, "DN", is?

[Txsflame]

I wondered the same thing about MR being CR's brother.  I also found an Amber R. that I'm pretty sure is Smooth's sistah.

Can I give more here than just initials on another person I show living in that house?  I don't know what the rules are here and don't want to cause any trouble.

 There is a phote in MR "tagged" album that says "bestfriends" that kinda looks like Smooth in tamer days..but it may not be..

[SloSthrnStyle]

I dont know the rules about posting names either......cept I would assume, that if they are under age, and their names havent really been released by lets say LE.. would be safer not to post actual names.  Unless you were to in private emails or something like that.

[New Monkey]

This person is definitely not a minor and may not even be living in the home anymore.  It may be this person lived in the home prior to K & G B living there.  Is the 626 Lomo address the NEW house?  I am thinking not.

[SloSthrnStyle]

Gosh I feel so dumb ... I didnt know that Forks, Washington is the town in the Twilight Movies.

[no rose colored glasses]

Do y'all know who the boyfriend, "DN", is?

I didn't even know his initials

[no rose colored glasses]

Gosh I feel so dumb ... I didnt know that Forks, Washington is the town in the Twilight Movies.

Don't feel dumb, I know it because my daughters read those books, and it seems to be quite a popular place to say you live on myspace.

[SloSthrnStyle]

Gosh I feel so dumb ... I didnt know that Forks, Washington is the town in the Twilight Movies.

Don't feel dumb, I know it because my daughters read those books, and it seems to be quite a popular place to say you live on myspace.

I went to topix there LOL  how I found out.

[Kenda]

I found this article I believe it was in NG blog

    November 1st, 2009 7:04 pm ETI live in Jefferson City, and near where Elizabeth was killed. It was all a horrible rememberence of 1982 when my little 7 year old brother was bullied unto a pond of ice by a then 12 year old and killed by another boy and left to die. Our family knows their grief.This crime maybe could have been prevented, if the State of Missouri had done more to keep the 15 year old Alyssa the killer, better taken care of in facilities where they had in her in the past. She had been treated at Fulton State Hospital for suicide and homicidual thoughts in the past, the state had custudy of her and her brothers, but they gave them back to her family. The State of Missouri does not want everyone to know that. But I have a source who will confirm that if anyone wants the person's phone number. Also the teacher Mr. Bill Currie, was related in this incident in his sucide, he was the jurnolism teacher, who all of the students went to with their writtings and most secrets, and he knew what Alyssa was up to, and the guilt ate him up, that is why he killed himself, Office Greg White was the last person he spoke to before he killed himself. These teens are all spilling all of this all over town, and on their myspaces, and twitters, and blogs, and all over the town. The sheriff and Valentine does not want it to get out, but its a small town, it will happen. And these parents need to read these pages, for the protection of their other children, some of these teens are into some bad things.

I was wondering, has anyone else found where AB was in a mental hospital??

[Kenda]

I read in here some were that AB had a list of peole to kill and that EO was a trial run.
Also one poster said that the way EO was killed it seemed as an act of rage, and wondered if AB had a long hatred  for EO, that she did something against her.

I wonder if Alyssa when she was killing EO if she was thinking about someone else on her hit list and used that rage on innocent Elizabith. As I cannot believe Elizabith could have done something to anger Alyssa to that monsterous rage, and wanted to or be allowed back to play at that house.

[Txsflame]

Does anyone know when we first noticed Smooths MS... I ask because many people are saying the Elizabeth 2000-... was not there prior to EOs death???  Do we have screen shots?? (I dont guess I even know how to do that when the kids were younger I had a program but it screwed up my puter) SO can someone give me an accurate timeline of the info on Smooths MS.. because NOW I am real confused.

[Ramblin Rose]

Does anyone know when we first noticed Smooths MS... I ask because many people are saying the Elizabeth 2000-... was not there prior to EOs death???  Do we have screen shots?? (I dont guess I even know how to do that when the kids were younger I had a program but it screwed up my puter) SO can someone give me an accurate timeline of the info on Smooths MS.. because NOW I am real confused.

I do remember the 1st time I saw Smooth's MS page that had the post that said "Elizabeth 2000-" and I believe it was the day after it was reported that AS had been arrested and charged with her murder. It appeared to have been there since before this happened.