Elizabeth Olten #2 10/29/09 - 11/18/09

[Txsflame]

IMHO I think  big difference in us watching 3 Stooges, and the old Westerns etc...IS Back in the day, most identified with the "good guys". We wanted to BE the good guy(or gal). Somewhere down through time kids have started identifying with the villian and wanting to be the "bad" guy??

[no rose colored glasses]

Don't mean to post and run, just wanted to say have a nice Sunday afternoon. I am going out for a while. Catch you guys later!

Have a great day, I have to go in awhile to the store also. 

[no rose colored glasses]

IMHO I think  big difference in us watching 3 Stooges, and the old Westerns etc...IS Back in the day, most identified with the "good guys". We wanted to BE the good guy(or gal). Somewhere down through time kids have started identifying with the villian and wanting to be the "bad" guy??

Yes, you are right 

[happy2009]

shelby... the child care is listed on here under home child care http://www.kidzschoolfinder.com/Jeffersoncitymopreschools.htm

[San]

IMHO I think  big difference in us watching 3 Stooges, and the old Westerns etc...IS Back in the day, most identified with the "good guys". We wanted to BE the good guy(or gal). Somewhere down through time kids have started identifying with the villian and wanting to be the "bad" guy??

This is so true.

[joesamas mama]

IMHO I think  big difference in us watching 3 Stooges, and the old Westerns etc...IS Back in the day, most identified with the "good guys". We wanted to BE the good guy(or gal). Somewhere down through time kids have started identifying with the villian and wanting to be the "bad" guy??

The reason being, the villian/bad guy/thug/slore is glorified in movies today. That is probably why I don't watch TV or have seen a new movie in ages. JMO JSM

  BTL

[shelby]

IMHO I think  big difference in us watching 3 Stooges, and the old Westerns etc...IS Back in the day, most identified with the "good guys". We wanted to BE the good guy(or gal). Somewhere down through time kids have started identifying with the villian and wanting to be the "bad" guy??

Bad guy = power.

[shelby]

shelby... the child care is listed on here under home child care http://www.kidzschoolfinder.com/Jeffersoncitymopreschools.htm

Thanks!

[Valerie]

Usedindustrial

04:05 PMOct 29 2009

I am from the Jefferson City area. The sad part is all these children were in the custody of the Missouri division of family services. They were placed back in the home by youth services and the department of social services. The state had custody and knew the 15 year old was suicidal and homocidal. Now they are trying to keep that quiet. The 15 year old was talken after her arrest to Fulton state hospital and locked up on an adult ward (against the law in Mo.) before being transfered to a jail. The responsibility for this is the states but you probably won't hear that. I wish I could find out how to get ahold of a good news group or Nancy Grace and drop this bombshell on them. After her arrest they removed all the other kids in the home to insure that they wouldn't get the chance to tell. My phone # is 573-257-3443 if someone knows how to get ahold of Nancy Grace or someone to get the truth out.

urn:x-aol:oid:mddn:6343c24e-c4c6-11de-a501-ab30e154f454 AVG RATING: (2)


http://news.aol.com/article/15-year-old-girl-held-in-slaying-of/734317


Oh and Txsflame, Having worked a tipline before, I can tell you that tips are taken seriously. You seem the type of person that wouldn't be able to rest unless you get the info off your chest. I think you'd feel a lot better because it seems to be weighing on you.

At the above link to AOL news, I found this post:

 Dolphingem70

04:10 PMOct 29 2009

Usedindustrial..... NANCY GRACE is on every night, she has an email address, and there is a 888 number you can call to reach her...... What the hell is the matter with these people.... IS the news article true of what I read that she cut the girls throat and sexually assulted her with a stick??? Did the teacher that commited suicide really know what was going on? Was Elizabeth killed in these peoples home?


I don't know the news article that Dolphingem70 is referring to, just posting here what I read. The word sick doesn't even do this statement justice.

[happy2009]

your very welcome 

[Valerie]

Perhaps another link that may give us some information soon...

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jefferson-city-mo/THC8D8OQQFKLEVVVI

[janetruth]

Usedindustrial

04:05 PMOct 29 2009

I am from the Jefferson City area. The sad part is all these children were in the custody of the Missouri division of family services. They were placed back in the home by youth services and the department of social services. The state had custody and knew the 15 year old was suicidal and homocidal. Now they are trying to keep that quiet. The 15 year old was talken after her arrest to Fulton state hospital and locked up on an adult ward (against the law in Mo.) before being transfered to a jail. The responsibility for this is the states but you probably won't hear that. I wish I could find out how to get ahold of a good news group or Nancy Grace and drop this bombshell on them. After her arrest they removed all the other kids in the home to insure that they wouldn't get the chance to tell. My phone # is 573-257-3443 if someone knows how to get ahold of Nancy Grace or someone to get the truth out.

urn:x-aol:oid:mddn:6343c24e-c4c6-11de-a501-ab30e154f454 AVG RATING: (2)


http://news.aol.com/article/15-year-old-girl-held-in-slaying-of/734317


Oh and Txsflame, Having worked a tipline before, I can tell you that tips are taken seriously. You seem the type of person that wouldn't be able to rest unless you get the info off your chest. I think you'd feel a lot better because it seems to be weighing on you.

At the above link to AOL news, I found this post:

 Dolphingem70

04:10 PMOct 29 2009

Usedindustrial..... NANCY GRACE is on every night, she has an email address, and there is a 888 number you can call to reach her...... What the hell is the matter with these people.... IS the news article true of what I read that she cut the girls throat and sexually assulted her with a stick??? Did the teacher that commited suicide really know what was going on? Was Elizabeth killed in these peoples home?


I don't know the news article that Dolphingem70 is referring to, just posting here what I read. The word sick doesn't even do this statement justice.

I wish they would release some truth and put an end to the rumours!  If this is true, they need to tell us, but if it's not, they for sure need to tell us that, too!

[shelby]

her friend's myspace is really creeping me out.

[happy2009]

wow her pic comments get stranger as the days go by http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=211959030&albumId=438872

[no rose colored glasses]

wow her pic comments get stranger as the days go by http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=211959030&albumId=438872

Could be she is deliberately just trying to upset people, she knows people are looking at her myspace and she is doing this for a reaction, or she is like her friend AB.

[Northern Rose]

Read this post on IS....
This is what I heard from one of the Juvenile workers working with AB:
This person said that because of AB’s mental state, they want to, and I guess will be pushing for her to be tried as a juvenile. This person said that the only reason that they would try her as an adult is because of public outrage if they didn’t.[/b]My thought here is if she had enough mental capacity to plan out such a gruesome crime then she should be tried as an adult. If she is tried as a juvenile, she’s free at 21. What kind of a statement is that sending to our kids??? And, if the reports are in fact true that the grandparents had no idea that she was capable of doing this, but the kids close to her at school say they are not surprised, it seems to me that she knew what act to put on around her grandparents but was herself around her friends. I’m thinking that she is a very smart, manipulative girl and who’s to say that she is not acting around the juvenile authorities.

Thoughts from anyone????

This from another poster
AB's BF is still in police custody for the threats he was making in/at school. I gotta believe that if he were actually involved in the murder he would have been charged already.

Rumors of a target list are floating around...that Elizabeth was a "practice kill".

And this...

My understanding is that strangulation could have been the cause with a knife being used for postmortem mutilation of the body.
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The word around the court house is that it was a “thrill kill”. She wanted to know what it was like to kill someone, however, I have heard that she had a list of people she wanted to kill and Elizabeth was her “practice run”.

As for accomplices, none reported yet. I do believe they have questioned her boyfriend and searched his house but as of now, now arrest. It has been said that the boyfriend was with her on Thursday after Elizabeth went missing and has said that AB was acting normal. It has also been said that he was threatening to kill anyone at school that said something bad about her. It is said that he is still in custody for the threats.
All this info from pretty good sources

 
And now my question for the day.....

 Do you all think LE have seen the MS for AB's friend that is disturbing us so...Would it be worth the effort to call the tips line(if there is one) and point it out.. I kinda feel silly even asking, but it is disturbing me. I have even showed it to friends without giving any real background, just the facts of the case and without my saying what I thought it meant, they read it the same way. Even if it doesnt mean what we are reading it to mean.. someone NEEDS to reach this girl, before she is our next AB!!! I mean we are pretty sure AB is a sociapath, who knows what she has filled this girls head with..or WORSE What if it was this girl putting stuff in AB's head!!?!?!?

Anyone know where the outrage needs to be directed at to ensure she gets tried as an adult?  I am up to dish out a big can of outrage right now.

[Maven]

wow her pic comments get stranger as the days go by http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=211959030&albumId=438872

I think it may be for attention, either way it's disturbing she can treat such a horrible crime so lightly with all of her comment about how she luvs AB etc... Did you notice her list of heroes?

Michael jackson, bam, elvis, fred estair,my friend alyssa...jack the ripper

Whether it's for attention, or her feelings are real, or it' just a FU to anyone reading, it's disturbing.

[Northern Rose]

wow her pic comments get stranger as the days go by http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=211959030&albumId=438872

Could be she is deliberately just trying to upset people, she knows people are looking at her myspace and she is doing this for a reaction, or she is like her friend AB.

A lot of the comments up until today were song lyrics.   I agree with No Rose, she knows people are looking at her site and is doing it knowing it will create a reaction.  If she has any adults in her life I sure hope they pay attention to what she does online in case she really is thinking of being a martyr.

[happy2009]

yes rose i think so too.. my initial reaction was its to get more attention but i only hope thats all it is and that is as far as she plans on going to get that attention. Maybe she feels left out or something i just dont know, i suppose anything could be going through her mind.

[Leroy]

wow her pic comments get stranger as the days go by http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=211959030&albumId=438872

she is a very disturbed individual...I hope her parents realize this.