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« Reply #1240 on: December 10, 2009, 07:37:28 AM »

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20091210/NEWS01/912100343/1007/news01/Venue-change-sought-in-Bustamante-trial
Venue change sought in Bustamante trial

December 10, 2009
Jefferson City -- An attorney for a Missouri teenager charged with killing a neighbor says the trial should be moved because local residents are biased against her.

Alyssa Bustamante, 15, is to be tried in Cole County in the October killing of Elizabeth Olten, 9.

But Bustamante's attorney says residents are so prejudiced against her that she cannot get a fair trial in Cole County.

Authorities say Bustamante strangled, stabbed and cut the throat of Olten because she wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. She has pleaded not guilty.
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« Reply #1241 on: December 10, 2009, 08:21:26 AM »

I can't figure out why or how they can plead not guilty when she has basically already confused to the crime. Just doesn't make anysens to me can anyone help me out and explain?? thanks
That boggles my mind as well. It seems like it would save a lot of time and money to work something out instead of a long drawn out trial.

That is part of our INjustice system. That way, they can say......Not guilty BECAUSE ... then start giving excuses as to why the person is not guilty, although they confessed. Excuses like insanity/mental defect/PMS/PTSD/ etc., etc.
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« Reply #1242 on: December 10, 2009, 08:48:56 PM »

Just wondering and wanting others thoughts. IF AB sat through hours of thrapey and refused to particpate, and except help... does this prove she did not have a problem..meaning she was in touch enough to hide what was going through her head?? Another scenerio, if she truly comvinced therapist she wasnt homocidial(as one newspaper reported) isnt that yet another sign she isnt insane??
Hiding mental illness is a favorite passtime of those who need the most help. My mother was in really bad shape, she believed all sorts of delusions but she was not a stupid woman at all. Quite the opposite, Fooling mental health professionals was never a problem for her. It is very common for bipolar people to refuse or get around treatment.
Believe me, I have sat with my mother many times explaining her behavior and getting completely blown off by some doctor that she had fooled. If she couldn't fool the doctor, she just went doctor shopping until she found one that she could trick.
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« Reply #1243 on: December 10, 2009, 10:29:36 PM »

Just wondering and wanting others thoughts. IF AB sat through hours of thrapey and refused to particpate, and except help... does this prove she did not have a problem..meaning she was in touch enough to hide what was going through her head?? Another scenerio, if she truly comvinced therapist she wasnt homocidial(as one newspaper reported) isnt that yet another sign she isnt insane??
Hiding mental illness is a favorite passtime of those who need the most help. My mother was in really bad shape, she believed all sorts of delusions but she was not a stupid woman at all. Quite the opposite, Fooling mental health professionals was never a problem for her. It is very common for bipolar people to refuse or get around treatment.
Believe me, I have sat with my mother many times explaining her behavior and getting completely blown off by some doctor that she had fooled. If she couldn't fool the doctor, she just went doctor shopping until she found one that she could trick.



I so agree with you GemX, I have a nephew who is only 8, 8 years old. He had all the docs he saw at Children's hospital and 3 private therapist believing that my sister and her husband were crazy. My sis is a very tiny 5 ft and maybe 85 pounds soaking wet and one time she was laying on the couch and he was hollering for her and she pretended to be asleep (playing with him). My brother in law had to pry his hands from around her neck he had such a tight hold that my sister could not get loose. The docs said he had a bit of ADHD and that was it. Then this year in the second grade he attacked his teacher several times. The last time broke the camels back. The teacher asked him to wait on the other kids in class to catch up on a paper they were doing and he lost it. He tried to bite, scratch, kicked, hit and called this teacher terrible names. My sister had had enough. She took him to a local hospital that does in house treatment for kids. They sent him home but used partial in house on him. He would go in at 9 everyday and leave at 3:30. They put him into all types of situations so that they could see how he reacted. After a month he was diagnosed as being bi polar. They put him on meds for that and it was like flipping a light switch. Thank God my sister persisted or we may have had another Alyssa in a few years. By the way this second grader does math at a 4th grade level and reading at a 5th grade level and can also tell you statistics and stuff to a t that he sees one time on television. Smart?? Very smart indeed.
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« Reply #1244 on: December 11, 2009, 10:20:21 AM »

Hi everyone    

My brain is fried at the moment, am taking a couple of steps back on all these cases, in order to regroup and recharge.  I'll be reading to stay caught up as I'm able, just won't be posting until I'm ready to jump back in with my sleeves rolled up. 

Am thinking this link might be of some help for those of you eager and able to do some more reading.  Maybe someone can take a peek to see if there is actually anything in here that Alyssa's defense atty might try and use:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5520000030.HTM

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« Reply #1245 on: December 11, 2009, 10:28:29 AM »

Hi everyone    

My brain is fried at the moment, am taking a couple of steps back on all these cases, in order to regroup and recharge.  I'll be reading to stay caught up as I'm able, just won't be posting until I'm ready to jump back in with my sleeves rolled up. 

Am thinking this link might be of some help for those of you eager and able to do some more reading.  Maybe someone can take a peek to see if there is actually anything in here that Alyssa's defense atty might try and use:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5520000030.HTM



Sorry, forgot to add this link as well, for further reading: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%27Naghten_Rules


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« Reply #1246 on: December 11, 2009, 10:31:57 AM »

Personally, I don't think any kind of defense having to do with insanity or mental health defect etc .. is gonna work.  That's just my opinion tho.  Her atty will no doubt try anything he can think of tho.   




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« Reply #1247 on: December 11, 2009, 03:41:07 PM »

THE MOST - December 11

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Alyssa Bustamante was charged in the death of Elizabeth Olten in December. Last week, Bustamante appeared in court, pleading not guilty and requesting a change of venue. Her next court date is Feb. 16.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7e87037c-80ce-0971-0026-37e1b4cc8208
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« Reply #1248 on: December 11, 2009, 03:41:53 PM »

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In Jefferson City this week, a judge allowed a camera in the courtroom for Alyssa Bustamante's arraignment. During the brief appearance, Bustamante's public defender entered a not guilty plea and asked for a change of venue.

Bustamante is accused of murdering 9-year-old elizabeth olten on Oc. 21. The two girls lived in a St. Martins neighborhood few miles west of Jefferson City.

Bustamante's next court appearance is Feb. 16. Both sides will share evidence and depose witnesses.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7be34d07-80ce-0971-01e3-415e667a7037
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« Reply #1249 on: December 13, 2009, 12:47:54 AM »

Ummm.....change of VENUE because residents in her COUNTY are "unfair" by their public comments? Well forget counties... move STATES for Heaven's sake.. come to Louisiana... we would LOVE to make judgement on your future here!! Good LORD! Elizabeth had NO choice on whether HER death was fair or not...this is just sickening... blah!

QUESTION:: When people plea not guilty, does this set them up for pleading insanity? If so, wouldn't it just be easier for her defense team to plea insanity now?
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« Reply #1250 on: December 13, 2009, 05:48:10 AM »

Ummm.....change of VENUE because residents in her COUNTY are "unfair" by their public comments? Well forget counties... move STATES for Heaven's sake.. come to Louisiana... we would LOVE to make judgement on your future here!! Good LORD! Elizabeth had NO choice on whether HER death was fair or not...this is just sickening... blah!

QUESTION:: When people plea not guilty, does this set them up for pleading insanity? If so, wouldn't it just be easier for her defense team to plea insanity now?
Louisiana I have to say I agree with you. I really don't think it matters where they send the little monster...no jury is going to look overlook the nature of this crime. As far as those newspaper comments...anyone from anywhere can express their comments in that local newspaper. Point being, I wonder if they have stopped to think that those comments are not from just the locals there. Unfortunately she will probably get her change of venue honored...but I don't think its going to do her any good. I'm not sure about the question you asked on here...I'll leave that up to the expert monkeys. Have a great day!
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« Reply #1251 on: December 13, 2009, 11:58:26 AM »

Okay I need you folks' help. The indictment list 228 Lomo Dr. as Alyssa's address. When I look this up on Google Earth it shows 228 is directly in front of the Olten residence. It also shows 626 Lomo as being further down the road from Alyssa's house. Is it just that Mapquest and Google Earth are incorrect? I am really confused. Also What house is this one supposed to be? Thanks for your help.     
  http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/11.jpg
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« Reply #1252 on: December 13, 2009, 12:00:38 PM »

Okay I need you folks' help. The indictment list 228 Lomo Dr. as Alyssa's address. When I look this up on Google Earth it shows 228 is directly in front of the Olten residence. It also shows 626 Lomo as being further down the road from Alyssa's house. Is it just that Mapquest and Google Earth are incorrect? I am really confused. Also What house is this one supposed to be? Thanks for your help.     
  http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/11.jpg
I am sorry I meant this house:          http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/frombuildersite.jpg
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« Reply #1253 on: December 13, 2009, 12:26:20 PM »

Okay I need you folks' help. The indictment list 228 Lomo Dr. as Alyssa's address. When I look this up on Google Earth it shows 228 is directly in front of the Olten residence. It also shows 626 Lomo as being further down the road from Alyssa's house. Is it just that Mapquest and Google Earth are incorrect? I am really confused. Also What house is this one supposed to be? Thanks for your help.     
  http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/11.jpg
I am sorry I meant this house:          http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/frombuildersite.jpg

Both homes are the same. They look different because the builder pic is from 2007 (I think). It doesn't appear on Google maps, but it was built behind the existing residence with the inground pool.

Look for more pics on my pb and it might make sense. Or not. Anyways, that is where the Bustamante children live(d) with grandparents, Karen and Gary Brooke.
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« Reply #1254 on: December 13, 2009, 12:45:10 PM »

I keep goofing that up. I meant this photo. Sorry Amanda for the confusion. I am not very good at this


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« Reply #1255 on: December 13, 2009, 01:58:03 PM »

I see what you mean. The homes look different. I took the pics from news footage (the bigger home) and the smaller is from the review on the builder site where Grandma Karen wrote a review.

http://www.xcfi.biz/forms/testimonials.aspx
“ We are very satisfied with the work done by Xtreme. We are a true-believer in the unvented application. Our new steel-framed home sits on a hill, with the high winds that we receive we really don't notice it until we open the door. I feel completely sealed. Thanks Xtreme. ”

Gary and Karen Brooke
Jefferson City, MO

http://www.xcfi.biz/forms/Residence-%20Jefferson%20City/resjeffersoncity.aspx

Now I am not sure that is the home, unless there were renovations and additional work.
Thanks for noticing the difference.

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« Reply #1256 on: December 13, 2009, 05:01:30 PM »

If you go to google maps you will not see the new house unless you go to street view and yes google maps is not accurate.  Once at street view you will see the new drive that goes past the pond and horse paddock and the house on the hill down the road from the former Olten house.  Here is one image I capture off TV as well as the google map streetview image.

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« Reply #1257 on: December 13, 2009, 06:24:07 PM »

maybe this is old news but here is a cached Charlie Rhodes myspace from late October    status :hiding something

http://tommackenzie.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/myspace_totallyavalleygirl.pdf
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« Reply #1258 on: December 13, 2009, 07:12:56 PM »

Okay I need you folks' help. The indictment list 228 Lomo Dr. as Alyssa's address. When I look this up on Google Earth it shows 228 is directly in front of the Olten residence. It also shows 626 Lomo as being further down the road from Alyssa's house. Is it just that Mapquest and Google Earth are incorrect? I am really confused. Also What house is this one supposed to be? Thanks for your help.     
  http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/11.jpg
I am sorry I meant this house:          http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/frombuildersite.jpg

Both homes are the same. They look different because the builder pic is from 2007 (I think). It doesn't appear on Google maps, but it was built behind the existing residence with the inground pool.

Look for more pics on my pb and it might make sense. Or not. Anyways, that is where the Bustamante children live(d) with grandparents, Karen and Gary Brooke.












The picture that is from the builders site is NOT the house at 626 lomo dr. I drove past there the other day and the house at 626 is much bigger and white not off-white, and appears to not to be brick (liek the picture), but siding.
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« Reply #1259 on: December 13, 2009, 07:16:06 PM »

Okay I need you folks' help. The indictment list 228 Lomo Dr. as Alyssa's address. When I look this up on Google Earth it shows 228 is directly in front of the Olten residence. It also shows 626 Lomo as being further down the road from Alyssa's house. Is it just that Mapquest and Google Earth are incorrect? I am really confused. Also What house is this one supposed to be? Thanks for your help.     
  http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/11.jpg
I am sorry I meant this house:          http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/frombuildersite.jpg

Both homes are the same. They look different because the builder pic is from 2007 (I think). It doesn't appear on Google maps, but it was built behind the existing residence with the inground pool.

Look for more pics on my pb and it might make sense. Or not. Anyways, that is where the Bustamante children live(d) with grandparents, Karen and Gary Brooke.


The picture that is from the builders site is NOT the house at 626 lomo dr. I drove past there the other day and the house at 626 is much bigger and white not off-white, and appears to not to be brick (liek the picture), but siding.

Also if you look at the builders website the house in the picture is wood-framed (interior pictures are available too), and in their testimonial KB/GB clearly state that they have a steel framed house.
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