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« Reply #460 on: November 19, 2009, 01:22:15 PM »

Audio link of interview with highschool kids also on this page

JEFFERSON CITY, MO (KBIA) - Fifteen-year-old Alyssa Bustamante showed no emotion when Cole County Judge Jon Beetem made his ruling Wednesday. According to court documents, Bustamante is accused of killing Olten by stabbing, strangling, and cutting her throat. Maggie Fowler attended the same high school as Bustamante:

"Are you shocked that someone you went to school with is allegedly capable..."
"Yes, yes! I never thought about it in Missouri...Jefferson City...St. Martins, really, yeah."

A State Trooper testified that Bustamante killed Olton because, quote, "she wanted to know what it felt like." Members of Olten's family quietly wept throughout the proceedings.

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kbia/news.newsmain/article/1/0/1580008/KBIA.Local/Bustamante.Tried.as.Adult.in.Murder.of.Nine-Year-Old
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« Reply #461 on: November 19, 2009, 01:25:01 PM »

Ok - here are my thoughts on the grandparents whisking her off to a mental hospital - they are IMO only.  It would be hard to imagine your child/grandchild doing such a horrible thing. I do not think that Alyssa came home covered with blood - I suspect she came home and sneaked in. She dug the graves and was into the violent scene so she knew it would be messy and had the foresight to plan for the clean up. I am sure that the GP new that she was up to something - just not what exactly she was up to. I am not defending them - but what the he!! do you do with a kid that scares you to death and you know (even if you will not admit it) had something to do with a missing little girl? Will you be next on her list of kills?

I am sure these grandparents were at a complete loss - torn between the horror of what they suspected and the instinctual need to protect your children. What we do not know is if they called her psychiatrist/therapist and were told to take her to the hospital. How many of us, truth be told, would not do exactly what a doctor told us in the horror and fear these people must have felt?  They knew there was no way to undo whatever had been done - it was all about protecting them and theres.

I know from personal experience that when your child does a terrible thing, you can not think straight - my hubby would personally string up anyone that hurt his kids - but when it was his kid that did a terrible thing he lost perspective. He just operated from what outside people told him to do. it is a lot like post traumatic fog.

This in NO WAY excuses the scum for what she did to Elizabeth. It in NO WAY excuses what the grandparents did by "hiding" her and not helping in the investigation. It is just a look from the other side. Personally, I do not know what I would do if it was my kid. I would like to think I would do the right thing - but until I am there I do not know.

I am glad that you said all that in a way everyone could understand.  I tried to say that earlier but you did a much better job of making it comprehendible.   
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« Reply #462 on: November 19, 2009, 01:32:37 PM »

i can not stand it when murdered individuals bodies are referred to as "it".

That "it" has a name. 

imo.
I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree with you.  Drives me freaking bananas!
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« Reply #463 on: November 19, 2009, 01:35:01 PM »

Here is a link to a interview with Alyssa's self proclaimed Best friend Aka Smooth Criminal via myspace


http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.as...01/51273517001



Her dad says in the interview she new Alyssa wanted to kill ! Just didn't think she would go through with it 
Shoot!  I can't see it.  It says it's been moved.
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« Reply #464 on: November 19, 2009, 01:35:56 PM »

WELCOME KLH21!!    

Great first post!
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« Reply #465 on: November 19, 2009, 01:38:03 PM »

Patrica "charlie" "trish" Rhodes aka SmoothCriminal aka juggalette4L wif AlyssaApocal and Papa Darryl Rhodes have been added to the KOMU video.  They start about 1/2 way. 

Smooth Criminal moved to MO last year
First person she met was Alyssa
Met her at Simonsen 9th Grade Centre
"she was a really good person, one of the nicest people I know"   

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/07ae129e-80ce-0971-0113-e864f8522814
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« Reply #466 on: November 19, 2009, 01:40:23 PM »

Here is a link to a interview with Alyssa's self proclaimed Best friend Aka Smooth Criminal via myspace


http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.as...01/51273517001



Her dad says in the interview she new Alyssa wanted to kill ! Just didn't think she would go through with it 
Shoot!  I can't see it.  It says it's been moved.

I think there is a link posted later that works.
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« Reply #467 on: November 19, 2009, 01:41:38 PM »

Ok - here are my thoughts on the grandparents whisking her off to a mental hospital - they are IMO only.  It would be hard to imagine your child/grandchild doing such a horrible thing. I do not think that Alyssa came home covered with blood - I suspect she came home and sneaked in. She dug the graves and was into the violent scene so she knew it would be messy and had the foresight to plan for the clean up. I am sure that the GP new that she was up to something - just not what exactly she was up to. I am not defending them - but what the he!! do you do with a kid that scares you to death and you know (even if you will not admit it) had something to do with a missing little girl? Will you be next on her list of kills?

I am sure these grandparents were at a complete loss - torn between the horror of what they suspected and the instinctual need to protect your children. What we do not know is if they called her psychiatrist/therapist and were told to take her to the hospital. How many of us, truth be told, would not do exactly what a doctor told us in the horror and fear these people must have felt?  They knew there was no way to undo whatever had been done - it was all about protecting them and theres.

I know from personal experience that when your child does a terrible thing, you can not think straight - my hubby would personally string up anyone that hurt his kids - but when it was his kid that did a terrible thing he lost perspective. He just operated from what outside people told him to do. it is a lot like post traumatic fog.

This in NO WAY excuses the scum for what she did to Elizabeth. It in NO WAY excuses what the grandparents did by "hiding" her and not helping in the investigation. It is just a look from the other side. Personally, I do not know what I would do if it was my kid. I would like to think I would do the right thing - but until I am there I do not know.

I am glad that you said all that in a way everyone could understand.  I tried to say that earlier but you did a much better job of making it comprehendible.   

I think they were totally into excusing her and enabling her, and this was not the first time. JMO
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« Reply #468 on: November 19, 2009, 01:42:30 PM »

Here is a theory, in an earlier post, some had posted: 
Richardson said that he cannot tell us if Olten’s body was found in only one of those holes.

Then someone else posted:
I think I have mentioned my DH works for the State of MO and is often in Jeff City.  Well, he was there on Monday and the 'word' is the stabbing was than just stabbing and when the details comes out it will be shocking to all......especially since it was a 15 yo who committed this horrible crime.

Do you think Elizabeth's body was dismembered and placed in BOTH graves?
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« Reply #469 on: November 19, 2009, 01:42:40 PM »

Patrica "charlie" "trish" Rhodes aka SmoothCriminal aka juggalette4L wif AlyssaApocal and Papa Darryl Rhodes have been added to the KOMU video.  They start about 1/2 way. 

Smooth Criminal moved to MO last year
First person she met was Alyssa
Met her at Simonsen 9th Grade Centre
"she was a really good person, one of the nicest people I know"   

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/07ae129e-80ce-0971-0113-e864f8522814





I would hate to think what Trish would consider a bad person.
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Cops say Stephen Spina, 36, was found stabbed to death in his apartment in Mamaroneck, New York on September 17, 2007. Killer is still at large. http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=57396 
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« Reply #470 on: November 19, 2009, 01:43:16 PM »

Patrica "charlie" "trish" Rhodes aka SmoothCriminal aka juggalette4L wif AlyssaApocal and Papa Darryl Rhodes have been added to the KOMU video.  They start about 1/2 way. 

Smooth Criminal moved to MO last year
First person she met was Alyssa
Met her at Simonsen 9th Grade Centre
"she was a really good person, one of the nicest people I know"   

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/07ae129e-80ce-0971-0113-e864f8522814

It was obvious from her MYSPACE she was totally into getting noticed, and she made sure she did. Be careful what you wish for "Trisha" and Dad. JMO
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« Reply #471 on: November 19, 2009, 01:44:10 PM »

Patrica "charlie" "trish" Rhodes aka SmoothCriminal aka juggalette4L wif AlyssaApocal and Papa Darryl Rhodes have been added to the KOMU video.  They start about 1/2 way. 

Smooth Criminal moved to MO last year
First person she met was Alyssa
Met her at Simonsen 9th Grade Centre
"she was a really good person, one of the nicest people I know"   

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/07ae129e-80ce-0971-0113-e864f8522814





I would hate to think what Trish would consider a bad person.

I would hate to think what her father would consider a bad person. 
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« Reply #472 on: November 19, 2009, 01:44:16 PM »

Here is a theory, in an earlier post, some had posted: 
Richardson said that he cannot tell us if Olten’s body was found in only one of those holes.

Then someone else posted:
I think I have mentioned my DH works for the State of MO and is often in Jeff City.  Well, he was there on Monday and the 'word' is the stabbing was than just stabbing and when the details comes out it will be shocking to all......especially since it was a 15 yo who committed this horrible crime.

Do you think Elizabeth's body was dismembered and placed in BOTH graves?


I don't. It is very difficult to dismember a body. And very, very messy.
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Cops say Stephen Spina, 36, was found stabbed to death in his apartment in Mamaroneck, New York on September 17, 2007. Killer is still at large. http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=57396 
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« Reply #473 on: November 19, 2009, 01:47:20 PM »

Here is a theory, in an earlier post, some had posted: 
Richardson said that he cannot tell us if Olten’s body was found in only one of those holes.

Then someone else posted:
I think I have mentioned my DH works for the State of MO and is often in Jeff City.  Well, he was there on Monday and the 'word' is the stabbing was than just stabbing and when the details comes out it will be shocking to all......especially since it was a 15 yo who committed this horrible crime.

Do you think Elizabeth's body was dismembered and placed in BOTH graves?

I have tried to keep my mind from going there, but I am wondering if Alyssa didn't cut off some part of Elizabeth and put it in the other grave....I can see no reason for him to say that if there wasn't something to it. A simple "no she was buried in one grave" would have been sufficient. jMO
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« Reply #474 on: November 19, 2009, 01:48:16 PM »

Quote from Friend:
"One night, I was staying at her house and she came out and she said she liked the feeling of blood on her hands when she cut her wrists because she said it made her feel better,"


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http://www.abc17news.com/news/story.php?id=15503
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« Reply #475 on: November 19, 2009, 01:50:46 PM »

Here is a theory, in an earlier post, some had posted: 
Richardson said that he cannot tell us if Olten’s body was found in only one of those holes.

Then someone else posted:
I think I have mentioned my DH works for the State of MO and is often in Jeff City.  Well, he was there on Monday and the 'word' is the stabbing was than just stabbing and when the details comes out it will be shocking to all......especially since it was a 15 yo who committed this horrible crime.

Do you think Elizabeth's body was dismembered and placed in BOTH graves?

I have tried to keep my mind from going there, but I am wondering if Alyssa didn't cut off some part of Elizabeth and put it in the other grave....I can see no reason for him to say that if there wasn't something to it. A simple "no she was buried in one grave" would have been sufficient. jMO



I think that the journalist that wrote or said that just misspoke. There seems to be a lot of that in the news articles online.
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Cops say Stephen Spina, 36, was found stabbed to death in his apartment in Mamaroneck, New York on September 17, 2007. Killer is still at large. http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=57396 
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« Reply #476 on: November 19, 2009, 01:51:20 PM »

Sorry, I know I have freaked some of you by a couple of my posts. I am hoping to be wrong on them, but I think we better steel ourselves for what is going to come out. I don't think it is going to be something we have prepared ourselves for. JMO
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« Reply #477 on: November 19, 2009, 01:53:40 PM »

Quote from Friend:
"One night, I was staying at her house and she came out and she said she liked the feeling of blood on her hands when she cut her wrists because she said it made her feel better,"


Link to page quote was found

http://www.abc17news.com/news/story.php?id=15503

My virus scanner doesn't like that site. I'll take your word for it.
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« Reply #478 on: November 19, 2009, 01:54:06 PM »

Who is Alyssa Bustamante?

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/video.aspx?id=379234
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« Reply #479 on: November 19, 2009, 01:54:51 PM »

The reporter said in the video posted above that Elizabeth was "stabbed repeatedly".     Overkill much, monster?  Either that or she had like a flip-flarrin' steak knife that wasn't very sharp to do the stabbing.  She had to have been bloody as hell when she came home.

I think her g'parents knew she was involved and while I can try to understand how they wanted to protect her, it's not something I would have done.  No way would I let a grieving mother to suffer for days waiting for her baby to be found if I thought someone I knew had done it/had something to do with it.
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