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« Reply #820 on: November 21, 2009, 07:23:37 PM »

Ok got a first name..can we get a hint on last???

Yes because it is going to come out sooner or later but I can't stop obsessing over this case. I will spend hundreds more hours probably trying to figure the last name out and for the life of me I cannot find a last name that goes with the first!!   Not many n last names in that town it seems like.
Please some hint no matter how obscure would mean so much.  Thank you Shinju - especially since I am your fan club president. LOL
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« Reply #821 on: November 21, 2009, 07:36:21 PM »

I just did a quick search of employee injuries at Texas Mental inst  equivalent of Briggs, and found NOTA. Those reports are scary for workers.  I also believe it is ridiculous for the state not to "fix" things, in the mental hospitals. It is very disturbing to me. I worked in corrections for five years, my grandparents and great grand parents all worked corrections (all in Texas) Texas is one of the most under staffed prsion systems national, due mostly to the massive amounts of prisons we have state wide. Yes in Texas we do have employee injury, but I would wager a bet, nothing like what the article on Briggs is describing.. and we probaly have 3 times the units Mo does.
TxFlame, if Alyssa were in Texas, would they send her (if she was truly crazy) to Vernon State Hospital? Isn't that where they send the murdering crazy people? TIA JSM
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« Reply #822 on: November 21, 2009, 07:50:39 PM »

Many murdering crazy people go to prison for LIFE/w / parole or they get the chair Wink
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« Reply #823 on: November 21, 2009, 07:53:32 PM »

Found this comment on MS, between two JC girls discussing this case...

Oct 25 2009 6:26 PM

Yeahh,
i kno aint it sad =(
a 15 year old kid could kill someone. thats crazzyy!!
did u hear the whole story how the boy took the police to the bodyy and how they were saying they walked over her two times cuz the body was very well hidden or w.e
thats f****d up..

The girl who posted this is a minor..but she posted on a 21 yr olds MS....so let me know what info I can give!!!
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« Reply #824 on: November 21, 2009, 07:56:29 PM »

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« Reply #825 on: November 21, 2009, 07:56:39 PM »

I just did a quick search of employee injuries at Texas Mental inst  equivalent of Briggs, and found NOTA. Those reports are scary for workers.  I also believe it is ridiculous for the state not to "fix" things, in the mental hospitals. It is very disturbing to me. I worked in corrections for five years, my grandparents and great grand parents all worked corrections (all in Texas) Texas is one of the most under staffed prsion systems national, due mostly to the massive amounts of prisons we have state wide. Yes in Texas we do have employee injury, but I would wager a bet, nothing like what the article on Briggs is describing.. and we probaly have 3 times the units Mo does.
TxFlame, if Alyssa were in Texas, would they send her (if she was truly crazy) to Vernon State Hospital? Isn't that where they send the murdering crazy people? TIA JSM


Never heard of that one, The one I know we used from the prisons is Skyview, the prison part of Rusk State Hospital in Rusk Texas.. The women can go to Mt View in gatesville for 48 hrs, and then either back to unit of assignment or on to Skyview. There are like 3 other smaller level "psych" units, Jester is one and cant remember the other 2.
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« Reply #826 on: November 21, 2009, 07:58:22 PM »

Found this comment on MS, between two JC girls discussing this case...

Oct 25 2009 6:26 PM

Yeahh,
i kno aint it sad =(
a 15 year old kid could kill someone. thats crazzyy!!
did u hear the whole story how the boy took the police to the bodyy and how they were saying they walked over her two times cuz the body was very well hidden or w.e
thats ***** up..

The girl who posted this is a minor..but she posted on a 21 yr olds MS....so let me know what info I can give!!!

Srry menat to edit this before I posted it, to get foul language out..if a mod can edit the original I would appreciate it
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« Reply #827 on: November 21, 2009, 08:06:38 PM »

Many murdering crazy people go to prison for LIFE/w / parole or they get the chair Wink
I prefer they get the chair or a needle in the arm Nut. 

Indeed.....and I do not believe for one second that she did not know right from wrong. SHE KNEW! I don't care if she is 12...she knew it was wrong, she made her choices and now she must pay the ultimate price. She may be crazy, but she is not insane!
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« Reply #828 on: November 21, 2009, 08:17:46 PM »

Many murdering crazy people go to prison for LIFE/w / parole or they get the chair Wink

I guess it is my history of being a prison brat..but my theory has always been if it takes longer then aprox ten yrs to "reahbiltate" an offender, you might as well put them down.. I know is a little harsh, but I got tired of seeing the same faces return time and time again, never learning... only adding th their victims list.. I am not syaing NO ONE can be reahbilitated, I am saying those that wont be, need to be gone!
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« Reply #829 on: November 21, 2009, 08:55:18 PM »

I just did a quick search of employee injuries at Texas Mental inst  equivalent of Briggs, and found NOTA. Those reports are scary for workers.  I also believe it is ridiculous for the state not to "fix" things, in the mental hospitals. It is very disturbing to me. I worked in corrections for five years, my grandparents and great grand parents all worked corrections (all in Texas) Texas is one of the most under staffed prsion systems national, due mostly to the massive amounts of prisons we have state wide. Yes in Texas we do have employee injury, but I would wager a bet, nothing like what the article on Briggs is describing.. and we probaly have 3 times the units Mo does.
TxFlame, if Alyssa were in Texas, would they send her (if she was truly crazy) to Vernon State Hospital? Isn't that where they send the murdering crazy people? TIA JSM


Never heard of that one, The one I know we used from the prisons is Skyview, the prison part of Rusk State Hospital in Rusk Texas.. The women can go to Mt View in gatesville for 48 hrs, and then either back to unit of assignment or on to Skyview. There are like 3 other smaller level "psych" units, Jester is one and cant remember the other 2.
I know of Rusk, but I thought that most of the really "crazy" ones went to Vernon. The reason I was asking, is Vernon reminded me of that "hospital" they may be sending AB. Thanks for answering me. JSM
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« Reply #830 on: November 21, 2009, 09:06:35 PM »

Many murdering crazy people go to prison for LIFE/w / parole or they get the chair Wink
I prefer they get the chair or a needle in the arm Nut. 

Indeed.....and I do not believe for one second that she did not know right from wrong. SHE KNEW! I don't care if she is 12...she knew it was wrong, she made her choices and now she must pay the ultimate price. She may be crazy, but she is not insane!
ITA Nut, she KNEW right from wrong and that makes her NOT criminally insane. So I hope AB gets the chair/needle or LWOP. Whatever she gets it better be a long long sentence, she deserves it. 
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« Reply #831 on: November 21, 2009, 09:59:44 PM »

On the topic of who alyssa's boyfriend is...

I ran into a guy that I graduated with today, and he told me (over the course of a two hour convo) one of his cousins was distraught that he was dating alyssa when she did this. I know he is a minor so I can't give out his name, but his intials are D.N.

I've been trying to find his name online for a for about 20 minutes but can't. However, I do know that D.N. is about 16 and goes to JCHS (I had met him once before a while me and my friend were in HS)

I think D.M. was possibly a boy that dated her, but not her current BF. Good possibility that the D.N. is her current BF, and the boy she was with Thurs. etc. I only say that because they had arrested or charge the current BF for drugs and a threat, and I don't think that would fit for D.M. as I know someone's son that hangs out with him. I might be able to get some info next week on this D.N. boy.



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« Reply #832 on: November 21, 2009, 10:07:56 PM »

On the topic of who alyssa's boyfriend is...

I ran into a guy that I graduated with today, and he told me (over the course of a two hour convo) one of his cousins was distraught that he was dating alyssa when she did this. I know he is a minor so I can't give out his name, but his intials are D.N.

I've been trying to find his name online for a for about 20 minutes but can't. However, I do know that D.N. is about 16 and goes to JCHS (I had met him once before a while me and my friend were in HS)

I think D.M. was possibly a boy that dated her, but not her current BF. Good possibility that the D.N. is her current BF, and the boy she was with Thurs. etc. I only say that because they had arrested or charge the current BF for drugs and a threat, and I don't think that would fit for D.M. as I know someone's son that hangs out with him. I might be able to get some info next week on this D.N. boy.






Have we figured out what the N is..or a rhyming word for it???
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« Reply #833 on: November 21, 2009, 10:14:15 PM »

I just did a quick search of employee injuries at Texas Mental inst  equivalent of Briggs, and found NOTA. Those reports are scary for workers.  I also believe it is ridiculous for the state not to "fix" things, in the mental hospitals. It is very disturbing to me. I worked in corrections for five years, my grandparents and great grand parents all worked corrections (all in Texas) Texas is one of the most under staffed prsion systems national, due mostly to the massive amounts of prisons we have state wide. Yes in Texas we do have employee injury, but I would wager a bet, nothing like what the article on Briggs is describing.. and we probaly have 3 times the units Mo does.
TxFlame, if Alyssa were in Texas, would they send her (if she was truly crazy) to Vernon State Hospital? Isn't that where they send the murdering crazy people? TIA JSM


Never heard of that one, The one I know we used from the prisons is Skyview, the prison part of Rusk State Hospital in Rusk Texas.. The women can go to Mt View in gatesville for 48 hrs, and then either back to unit of assignment or on to Skyview. There are like 3 other smaller level "psych" units, Jester is one and cant remember the other 2.
I know of Rusk, but I thought that most of the really "crazy" ones went to Vernon. The reason I was asking, is Vernon reminded me of that "hospital" they may be sending AB. Thanks for answering me. JSM

  OT I just looked up Vernon and it is in North Texas... It maybe used..It is hard for me to say..Most of Texas' medical is covered by UTMB, BUT a portion of TDCJ is covered by TT in the northern part... So it is possible they use Vernon up in N Texas.. But for the most part Skyview is the main one, there is also a psych prison type hospital/unit somewhere in the Dallas Fw area... Last I heard Andrea Yates was in there. The system is massive, and soo spread out.
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« Reply #834 on: November 21, 2009, 10:26:45 PM »

Found this comment on MS, between two JC girls discussing this case...

Oct 25 2009 6:26 PM

Yeahh,
i kno aint it sad =(
a 15 year old kid could kill someone. thats crazzyy!!
did u hear the whole story how the boy took the police to the bodyy and how they were saying they walked over her two times cuz the body was very well hidden or w.e
thats f****d up..

The girl who posted this is a minor..but she posted on a 21 yr olds MS....so let me know what info I can give!!!

Holy smokes Txsflame...seriously...you gotta tell me how you find stuff like this!  I am so ignorant on the whole MS thing and cannot figure out how to find anything worthwhile there.  This is a great find!  Gossip or not, it clearly not something I've heard/read yet!  I need to attend ScaredMonkeys University so I can learn all the tricks of the trade!
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« Reply #835 on: November 21, 2009, 10:32:47 PM »

Found this comment on MS, between two JC girls discussing this case...

Oct 25 2009 6:26 PM

Yeahh,
i kno aint it sad =(
a 15 year old kid could kill someone. thats crazzyy!!
did u hear the whole story how the boy took the police to the bodyy and how they were saying they walked over her two times cuz the body was very well hidden or w.e
thats f****d up..

The girl who posted this is a minor..but she posted on a 21 yr olds MS....so let me know what info I can give!!!

Holy smokes Txsflame...seriously...you gotta tell me how you find stuff like this!  I am so ignorant on the whole MS thing and cannot figure out how to find anything worthwhile there.  This is a great find!  Gossip or not, it clearly not something I've heard/read yet!  I need to attend ScaredMonkeys University so I can learn all the tricks of the trade!

I was TRYING to track down someone with the initials DN, using the first name we have "guessed" so I entered the fisrt name in myspace search and JC in the place, and was going through alist of males with that first naem in Jefferson city... Well I foubnd one I thought was him(it wasnt) BUT on his MS he had a friend whose MS said RIP ELizabeth Olten, so of course I visited hers, and it was her and another girl talking through comments about the case early on... I am not usually that lucky with MS eitehr, I usually have to get my DD to find stuff on there, but am learning quick with this case..

 ANother note, if you click on Alyssas picture it says her myspace has been deleted...

and One of the twins apparently at one time had a RIP Elizabeth on their MS, but it isnt there anymore.
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« Reply #836 on: November 21, 2009, 10:34:47 PM »

Karen K any luck with DN??? I cant find anything on MS, fixing to try FB
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« Reply #837 on: November 21, 2009, 10:54:00 PM »

Karen K any luck with DN??? I cant find anything on MS, fixing to try FB

 Okay went through all D**** N____ on MS and FB and nothing..BTW there are only like 3 and they are all older!!!! Think maybe DN doesnt have a online prescence!!??
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« Reply #838 on: November 21, 2009, 11:31:09 PM »

Karen K any luck with DN??? I cant find anything on MS, fixing to try FB

 Okay went through all D**** N____ on MS and FB and nothing..BTW there are only like 3 and they are all older!!!! Think maybe DN doesnt have a online prescence!!??
I am stumped. I had already looked for DN since about the end of the first week and never found one then either!!!! I have a headache from searching.   I remember being able to write a few words in google like "I know who Alyssa Bustamante's boyfriend is" or  __tin is Alyssa's boyfriend or things like that - but there is no conversation among anyone on line myspace facebook etc. about the boyfriend. Is is plain spooky the coverup..   
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« Reply #839 on: November 21, 2009, 11:47:11 PM »

Karen K any luck with DN??? I cant find anything on MS, fixing to try FB

 Okay went through all D**** N____ on MS and FB and nothing..BTW there are only like 3 and they are all older!!!! Think maybe DN doesnt have a online prescence!!??
I am stumped. I had already looked for DN since about the end of the first week and never found one then either!!!! I have a headache from searching.   I remember being able to write a few words in google like "I know who Alyssa Bustamante's boyfriend is" or  __tin is Alyssa's boyfriend or things like that - but there is no conversation among anyone on line myspace facebook etc. about the boyfriend. Is is plain spooky the coverup..   
I've been searching all day too...I asked earlier but didn't get an answer, does his first name rhyme with Rusty?
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