Caylee Marie Anthony #152 11/20/09 - 12/09/09

[SunnyinTX]

Good Morning Sunny and to all Monkeys!  Sorry for my bad manners.   I slept late this morning and I'm trying to catch up. I'm just appalled at what is going down as of late and I know it's going to get worse. 

tupelo...you are never bad mannered...I was wondering where you were this morning....the next time you are going to sleep late, please get up early and post a message that you are sleeping late and then you can go back to bed!! 

  Funny thing about that is, I was up at 3:30 this morning so I could take my son to work.  I'll have to keep this in mind for the next time. 

 

[Fanny Mae]

I hate to see discord here at SM, this is such a great group of people. Sometimes the typed message takes on a different meaning than intended. I hate to see people stay away because of misunderstandings. Everyone here has great contributions and we need everyone here. JMO

I agree tupelo. I certainly didn't intend to upset anyone, I was just joking around by quoting the church lady. I realize not everyone knows who that character is, or what quotes come from it, but I really wasn't worried at the time that it would upset someone. Honestly, I know I did nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for, however I didn't intend on starting any trouble between monkeys.

It wasn't your fault, QM. I thought a signature line was personal, and usually is not a topic of conversation.   

[Gizzie]

Fanny, can I ask what the significance of using Church Lady is, or is it more of a private joke? Just curious...


I'm almost afraid to answer you, in case I say something that makes you mad again. This character was my favorite from Saturday Night Live. He made me laugh hysterically, and I needed a laugh. I hope that answer didn't come off as being smart. 

Make me mad again? You're silly! I made you mad, remember? I wasn't an SNL watcher either, and wondered if it was a dig at one of these clowns on the defense, but couldn't figure out which one. Thank you, tho, for answering! Now I get it! 

[SunnyinTX]

Ms Lyon has called:
Judges ugly and only worried about voters;

Female prosecutors uncivilized, wear those little ties and have strap*** at home, and embarrassing her by their behavior;

Jurors killers, a mean librarian, and an elderly juror as a "blue hair";

Victims' advocates awful and little b**ches ; and

Herself a “pioneer in the field”, a “genius, legendary” and says her intelligence is superior to jurors’ intelligence.

She is what is effectively a "guest" lawyer in the jurisdiction of Florida.  Can these words spewed at a conference in Florida not result in her being not allowed to practice in the state?  For that matter can a bar complaint not be filed so that she is held accountable for her noxious and vile statements to her peers? I don't understand how that works as you would think that she would have to represent her profession and those that are involved in the judicial system with respect and professionalism yet she pretty much took a AK47 approach to cut everyone around a case down. How is this behemoth allowed to teach ?

I wonder how too NR....she is IMO a disgrace to the legal profession

[Sassycat]

I hate to see discord here at SM, this is such a great group of people. Sometimes the typed message takes on a different meaning than intended. I hate to see people stay away because of misunderstandings. Everyone here has great contributions and we need everyone here. JMO

I agree tupelo. I certainly didn't intend to upset anyone, I was just joking around by quoting the church lady. I realize not everyone knows who that character is, or what quotes come from it, but I really wasn't worried at the time that it would upset someone. Honestly, I know I did nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for, however I didn't intend on starting any trouble between monkeys.

 

[Fanny Mae]

Back to Andrea Lyon, I wonder why none of her classmates from school have not come forward with how she was in College. I would think she was probably just as arrogant then as she is now. JMO

[Sassycat]

It wasn't your fault, QM. I thought a signature line was personal, and usually is not a topic of conversation.   

But you have to admit that your picture is so big - its hard not to discuss -  especially for those of us who have no idea who it is!  The pic was even bigger earlier!     

[Fanny Mae]

It wasn't your fault, QM. I thought a signature line was personal, and usually is not a topic of conversation.   

But you have to admit that your picture is so big - its hard not to discuss -  especially for those of us who have no idea who it is!  The pic was even bigger earlier!     

I realized that it was too big, and resized it. Would you like for me to make it smaller still?

[trimmonthelake]

Good Morning Sunny and to all Monkeys!  Sorry for my bad manners.   I slept late this morning and I'm trying to catch up. I'm just appalled at what is going down as of late and I know it's going to get worse. 

tupelo...you are never bad mannered...I was wondering where you were this morning....the next time you are going to sleep late, please get up early and post a message that you are sleeping late and then you can go back to bed!! 

  Funny thing about that is, I was up at 3:30 this morning so I could take my son to work.  I'll have to keep this in mind for the next time. 

Next time tap on your monitor.   

[Northern Rose]

I hate to see discord here at SM, this is such a great group of people. Sometimes the typed message takes on a different meaning than intended. I hate to see people stay away because of misunderstandings. Everyone here has great contributions and we need everyone here. JMO

Your words are so true.  I have seen simple words interpreted as attacks when they are nothing more than honest opinions and simple words.  I have seen other words speculated as having hidden meaning or nefarious intent when they are nothing more than simple words. It has kept me away from this thread.  We are all here for Caylee not to second guess the intent of each post. JMO .  I will grab a branch again up top.

[QuietMonkey]

I hate to see discord here at SM, this is such a great group of people. Sometimes the typed message takes on a different meaning than intended. I hate to see people stay away because of misunderstandings. Everyone here has great contributions and we need everyone here. JMO

Your words are so true.  I have seen simple words interpreted as attacks when they are nothing more than honest opinions and simple words.  I have seen other words speculated as having hidden meaning or nefarious intent when they are nothing more than simple words. It has kept me away from this thread.  We are all here for Caylee not to second guess the intent of each post. JMO .  I will grab a branch again up top.

NorRose you are 100% correct. Yes, that's jmo too, but I agree with all you said. I rarely post in this thread anymore, but got myself sucked back in after the media tour on Fri morning (or was it Thurs). Either way, I agree whole heartedly with ya! Don't stay on a branch too long!

[A_News_Junkie_Monkey]

OT - please excuse.

Darla,
I left you an explanation in musings.
News Junkie

[goodnmad]

Remember Caylee.

[SunnyinTX]

Didn't Joe Jordan post here? Wasn't he conducting his own investigations? And wasn't he banned?  Or am I thinking about someone completely different?  I hate that my notebook is missing.....

[SunnyinTX]

I'll answer my own questions...yes he did post here....I hope this works

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2

[no rose colored glasses]

Didn't Joe Jordan post here? Wasn't he conducting his own investigations? And wasn't he banned?  Or am I thinking about someone completely different?  I hate that my notebook is missing.....

I believe he was posting here and WS.

[SunnyinTX]

I'll answer my own questions...yes he did post here....I hope this works

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2

it didn't.....

During our volunteer search effort, we located items we believe to belong to Casey Anthony.  Including female underwear with hair attached to it.  We have clothing, a gas can, make up, pantyhose, etc.  Can the family identify any of these items?
http://www.josephsjordan.com/caylee/

Larry, I have left numerous messages for the Anthony Family on their answering machine.  I have expressed to them the importance of getting Texas Equi Search involved.  I have also expressed our interest in helping their family locating Caylee early on, all to NO RESPONSE.  Why would your "CLIENT" ignore people wanting to help them find Caylee?

Or do they not want to find Caylee until Casey's trial is over?

Our group has distributed many flyers, knocked on doors, and searched wooded areas.  Based on what has already been found and the people we have spoken with, the family has indicated to a close inside source to the family that we are a threat to them.  Why in the world would you consider a group trying to locate your grandaughter a threat?  Unless they believe we are a threat to Casey Anthony?

If Casey did not do this... who did?  Why would Casey Anthony protect someone who performed a SEX CRIME on her?  Would you be open to having someone trained in sexual assault intervention speak with Casey.  Maybe she was sexually assaulted as well?  It is not uncommon for the abused to protect the abuser, even at the expense of their own children.  This is very common in the incest cases we deal with on a day to day basis.

Joseph S. Jordan
Board Member/Child Advocate
S.A.V.E. Kaylee
(Save Abuse Victims Everywhere)
www.momsforjustice.org

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21706174/detail.html
Anthony Defense Team Explains Actions
Casey Anthony, 23, Charged With Murder In Death Of Daughter

POSTED: Monday, November 23, 2009
UPDATED: 9:51 am EST November 24, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Two of Casey Anthony's nationally recognized defense attorneys said they were just doing their jobs -– and the state's -- as they made national television appearances naming the man who found Caylee Anthony's body as a suspect in the girl's death.
It's an attempt to do the state's job for them. We brought them evidence," said Linda Kenney Baden during an interview Friday with Local 6.

Others, though, wonder if it's not a calculated ploy to contaminate potential jurors with information that may never make it into their client’s murder trial.

Neither Kenney Baden nor co-counsel Andrea Lyon could cite any evidence that former meter reader Roy Kronk had any contact with Caylee while she was alive -– unlike their client, who was the last person seen with Caylee.

"The evidence we have is circumstantial in nature," said Lyon. "The evidence the prosecution has against this young woman who they are asking the state of Florida to kill is entirely circumstantial."

They also conceded they have no evidence of human decomposition in any of Kronk's vehicles, unlike what the state claims its experts will say was found in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car.

Last week, the defense team filed a motion asking the judge in Anthony's murder trial to let them introduce "prior bad acts" of Kronk, based on unsworn, videotaped interviews with former wives and estranged family members.

The women claim he has a history of using duct tape to perpetrate violence, and his son said he told him he had found Caylee's body about a month before he actually led police to the remains on Dec. 11.
Kronk tried three times in August 2008 to draw law enforcement's attention to what he thought may have the body in the woods, but a deputy who finally appeared failed to thoroughly check and was fired because of it, according to the sheriff's office.

From the beginning, defense attorneys have decried what they call law enforcement leaks about evidence purportedly against their client, and have moved for a change of venue from Central Florida because of the publicity those leaks have created in the local media. Yet they have repeatedly taken to a national audience -– including viewers in Miami, where they want the trial moved -– to comment on inflammatory, unchallenged assertions included in defense motions filed the day before they take to the national airwaves.

Asked if they're not doing the same thing they accused the state and detectives of doing, Kenney Baden said, "The local media, with the exception of some of the reporting that we have seen, ... has taken everything they've seen at face value or the leaks they saw early on and publicized them improperly against our client. Here we're at the national media because at least they will give Casey a fair shake."

But the national media has also left unchallenged some sweeping statements made by the defense, at least one of them inaccurate, according to some of more than 12,000 pages of information released to attorneys and the public in a legal process known as discovery.

In an interview last month with CBS News' 48 Hours, Kenney Baden and co-counsel Todd Macaluso focused on so-called mystery DNA found on the duct tape that was placed around Caylee’s skull.
"Another party that did not belong the FBI, did not belong to the law enforcement, did not belong to Casey or any of her family members (left DNA) on that duct tape," Kenney Baden said on 48 Hours, as Macaluso chimed in, "A stranger. There was a stranger involved."

But a DNA expert consulted by Local 6 said it is possible that a tiny fragment of DNA was deposited by an FBI fingerprint unit lab analyst. She would be the second analyst to have contaminated the tape during testing; the FBI found enough of a DNA sample elsewhere on the tape to confirm that material came from a DNA analyst.

But the so-called mystery DNA was so miniscule, only a partial profile could be produced. It is significant enough to exclude the Anthonys and other known subjects, but it does not exclude the FBI fingerprint analyst.

Still, Kenney Baden and Lyon continued to promote the mystery DNA theory during their media tour last week.

Asked if she was aware the one FBI employee could not be excluded as the source, Kenney Baden stated, "I am aware of exactly the alleles with regard to it, but there is no indication that that person contaminated the evidence."

But there is an e-mail, at page 8710 of the discovery, showing the analyst who could not be excluded did swab the duct tape in question.
The two attorneys are part of an impressive legal and forensic team assembled by Casey Anthony's original attorney, Jose Baez, prompting many to wonder if they're being paid and, if so, how. Asked if they're being paid by anything other than the publicity attached to the case, Kenney Baden said, "We don't think publicity is payment, but we don't discuss payment at all, but publicity isn't payment for any lawyers, all of us are not in this case for publicity."

When prosecutors questioned whether entertainment deals were funding the defense, Baez denied it or any other conflict of interest. After a closed-door meeting with the attorneys, Judge Stan Strickland said he was satisfied there was no conflict.

"We're doing our best to see to it that she gets a fair trial with real investigation and real hard work and real motions practice and challenging the evidence the way it ought to be done," said Lyon. "The idea that there's something shady or weird about actually interviewing witnesses and talking to people and digging deep and trying to find out what really happened as though that's somehow cheating – that’s what a good lawyer does."

Casey Anthony has admitted in a court paper that she has refused a plea agreement, but when asked if a plea were still possible, the attorneys balked.

"She did write that affidavit, she did make that statement," said Lyon, adding, "but as I said, that's something we cannot discuss. That would be inappropriate."

Asked how their client was holding up in the Orange County Jail, where she's been held without bond since her indictment on Oct. 14, 2008, Lyon said, "She's scared. I mean, wouldn't you be scared? She's scared. She's sad. She's grief-stricken and she's terrified."

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.

[SunnyinTX]

Didn't Joe Jordan post here? Wasn't he conducting his own investigations? And wasn't he banned?  Or am I thinking about someone completely different?  I hate that my notebook is missing.....

I believe he was posting here and WS.

You are right!!!  I am looking at a link at WS now...but not sure if I should post it here...I'll wait til a MOD says it's OK

[trimmonthelake]

Remember Caylee.