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« Reply #620 on: November 10, 2009, 09:39:39 PM »

Thank-you Heart for posting the President's speech. I felt he handled this well, and was impressed with this.            It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy.  But this much we do know -- no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor.  For what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice -- in this world, and the next.

Oh, the great Orator. He does a fine job reading off a teleprompter someone else's words that he didn't even see until right before the memorial. Yes, he did a fine job. Too bad you didn't watch the memorial to see the raw emotions. He did a fine job handling this..........and it is nice you were impressed.
I was impressed and so were many others. I don't need to see raw emotions I am able to read and look at pictures to get a feel for things. The president did do a fine job, teleprompter or not. I seem to be in the majority on this, this is not a day to bring politics into this. This was a day of mourning not politics.

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« Reply #621 on: November 10, 2009, 09:50:22 PM »

Lehigh resident tries to send flowers to Ft. Hood shooter
Posted: Nov 10, 2009 4:30 PM CST Updated: Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM CST



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LEE COUNTY: Federal Bureau of Investigation agents showed up at the house of 61-year-old Dan Ross to find out why he tried to send flowers to the alleged Fort Hood shooter, who Ross calls a 'hero.'

Ross is a former Vietnam War soldier and Christian. He says his faith led him to order roses for Major Nidal Hasan, the man accused of killing 13 soldiers at Fort Hood. Ross calls Hasan a hero.

"The FBI were the ones who actually killed those 13 people, because they were well informed that this guy was against the United States of America," said Ross.

One day after the shooting, Ross placed an order for a $59.95 bouquet of yellow roses to be delivered to the hospital where Hasan remains in critical condition.

"By my doing that, I was immediately labeled a terrorist," said Ross.

"I ask you respect my freedom of speech and freedom of religion" Ross wrote in an email to a Killeen Texas florist. Ross asked the following note be attached to the roses.

"Major Nidal Hasan. Qur'an Chapter 2: Verse 190-3. In God's eye, and those who submit, you are a hero."

We asked Ross if he thinks Hasan is a hero.

"He can be used as a hero for a better good," said Ross.

Ross, an Army veteran, showed us a living room decorated with photos of his son, a Navy officer and his daughter, a member of the Army ROTC at Stetson University. He claims his actions were that of a Christian-- in fact, the Apostle Peter, reborn.

NBC2's Katie LaGrone: I just want to understand why a man would send roses to an alleged killer?
Ross: It's phony bologna. Holy Spirit just told me.
LaGrone:  The Holy Spirit's talking to you right now?
Ross:  Just a little bit

His wife of 24 years says Ross poses no threat.

"He thinks it's a part of the bible," said Eng Ross.

Ross was questioned by the FBI because of the flowers.

"The FBI came by and I thought I was on drugs," said Ross. "That's part of Christianity, love your enemies and do good to them."

The florist, a veteran himself, contacted the FBI after he refused to fulfill Ross' order.

The FBI can neither confirm nor deny they are investigating Ross.

http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=11480448

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« Reply #622 on: November 10, 2009, 10:00:21 PM »

Fanny Mae--I doubt too that we will ever know who the visitor was in Moslem garb, but doesn't it make you feel really safe to know that the FBI is on the job?  I just have to wonder what this bunch of clowns is doing with the billions of dollars they get from hard working people, confiscated in the form of taxes to keep our country safe from terrorists.  Obviously they are not using it to keep us safe.  Five days after the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood, they are searching the garbage can at the local mosque.  Guess they don't know that most people have garbage pick up before five days pass.  And then there's Gen. Casey who said on a Sunday news show that if this "Incident" caused damage to the "Diversity" of the military, it would be worse than the deaths Hasan caused.  He needs to be fired.

Why is this country committing suicide?

But the country is a little safer tonight now that the Beltway Sniper, who was a terrorist but never called one because it wasn't PC, has gone to meet his maker.  I doubt that he had 72 (Or is it 73?) virgins meeting him in his Seventh Heaven. 
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« Reply #623 on: November 10, 2009, 10:04:48 PM »

To be honest, I didn't hear or see Obama's speech today.  I had FOX News on and when he walked onto the stage I turned the TV off.  I can take no more.
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« Reply #624 on: November 10, 2009, 10:08:19 PM »

Lehigh resident tries to send flowers to Ft. Hood shooter
Posted: Nov 10, 2009 4:30 PM CST Updated: Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM CST



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LEE COUNTY: Federal Bureau of Investigation agents showed up at the house of 61-year-old Dan Ross to find out why he tried to send flowers to the alleged Fort Hood shooter, who Ross calls a 'hero.'

Ross is a former Vietnam War soldier and Christian. He says his faith led him to order roses for Major Nidal Hasan, the man accused of killing 13 soldiers at Fort Hood. Ross calls Hasan a hero.

"The FBI were the ones who actually killed those 13 people, because they were well informed that this guy was against the United States of America," said Ross.

One day after the shooting, Ross placed an order for a $59.95 bouquet of yellow roses to be delivered to the hospital where Hasan remains in critical condition.

"By my doing that, I was immediately labeled a terrorist," said Ross.

"I ask you respect my freedom of speech and freedom of religion" Ross wrote in an email to a Killeen Texas florist. Ross asked the following note be attached to the roses.

"Major Nidal Hasan. Qur'an Chapter 2: Verse 190-3. In God's eye, and those who submit, you are a hero."

We asked Ross if he thinks Hasan is a hero.

"He can be used as a hero for a better good," said Ross.

Ross, an Army veteran, showed us a living room decorated with photos of his son, a Navy officer and his daughter, a member of the Army ROTC at Stetson University. He claims his actions were that of a Christian-- in fact, the Apostle Peter, reborn.

NBC2's Katie LaGrone: I just want to understand why a man would send roses to an alleged killer?
Ross: It's phony bologna. Holy Spirit just told me.
LaGrone:  The Holy Spirit's talking to you right now?
Ross:  Just a little bit

His wife of 24 years says Ross poses no threat.

"He thinks it's a part of the bible," said Eng Ross.

Ross was questioned by the FBI because of the flowers.

"The FBI came by and I thought I was on drugs," said Ross. "That's part of Christianity, love your enemies and do good to them."

The florist, a veteran himself, contacted the FBI after he refused to fulfill Ross' order.

The FBI can neither confirm nor deny they are investigating Ross.

http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=11480448

   I'm glad the florist refused to fulfill his order!

At least there are some people that have a concience and don't just do the PC thing. I am glad he reported it to the FBI too.  Problem is, all the federal agencies, including the FBI and the Military hamstrung. Not political my azz!!! How the prez could look those soldiers in the face and refuse to send more help for them in Afghanistan is beyond me. How he could even be brazen enough to face them is beyond me. He got very little applause, even at first. The grief at the memorial was papable. He was like a talking robot. I am ashamed of our president and what he represents. But he did a fine job, the majority thinks so............
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At least there are some people that have a concience and don't just do the PC thing. I am glad he reported it to the FBI too.  Problem is, all the federal agencies, including the FBI and the Military hamstrung. Not political my azz!!! How the prez could look those soldiers in the face and refuse to send more help for them in Afghanistan is beyond me. How he could even be brazen enough to face them is beyond me. He got very little applause, even at first. The grief at the memorial was papable. He was like a talking robot. I am ashamed of our president and what he represents. But he did a fine job, the majority thinks so............

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At least there are some people that have a concience and don't just do the PC thing. I am glad he reported it to the FBI too.  Problem is, all the federal agencies, including the FBI and the Military hamstrung. Not political my azz!!! How the prez could look those soldiers in the face and refuse to send more help for them in Afghanistan is beyond me. How he could even be brazen enough to face them is beyond me. He got very little applause, even at first. The grief at the memorial was papable. He was like a talking robot. I am ashamed of our president and what he represents. But he did a fine job, the majority thinks so............

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That was insulting and unnecessary. JMO
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« Reply #627 on: November 10, 2009, 10:35:50 PM »

Fanny Mae - this is not the POLITICAL forum.  If you have a problem with our President, I suggest you post your complaints in that area. 

I will not tolerate this turning into a bash Obama thread.


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And if you don't like my rules about Obama (outside of the Political forum) then complain to RED.  If RED doesn't like it then he can find someone else to administer his site. 
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At least there are some people that have a concience and don't just do the PC thing. I am glad he reported it to the FBI too.  Problem is, all the federal agencies, including the FBI and the Military hamstrung. Not political my azz!!! How the prez could look those soldiers in the face and refuse to send more help for them in Afghanistan is beyond me. How he could even be brazen enough to face them is beyond me. He got very little applause, even at first. The grief at the memorial was papable. He was like a talking robot. I am ashamed of our president and what he represents. But he did a fine job, the majority thinks so............

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That was insulting and unnecessary. JMO

Fanny, I definitely was not trying to insult you, at all. I was seeing that you were starting to get frustrated. I apologize for insulting you!
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President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama pay their respects to the fallen soldiers and civilians at Ill Corps Headquarters at Fort Hood Army Base today during a memorial service for the soldiers and civilians killed in a shooting rampage last week.

Obama praises the fallen at Ft. Hood memorial
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Reporting from Fort Hood, Texas-- President Obama today tried to console a grieving Army base where a military psychiatrist allegedly turned a gun on his fellow soldiers last week and killing 13 people in a brazen rampage.

Addressing the family members of the fallen at Ft. Hood, Obama said, "Your loved ones endure through the life of our nation. Their memory will be honored in the places they lived and by the people they touched. Their life's work is our security and the freedom that we too often take for granted."

The president, speaking before a crowd of thousands, many dressed in fatigues, said the tragedy was all the more painful because the shooting unfolded not overseas, but at home.

"This is a time of war," Obama said. "And yet these Americans did not die on a foreign field of battle. They were killed here, on American soil, in the heart of this great American community. It is this fact that makes the tragedy even more painful and even more incomprehensible."

Obama also promised fair treatment for the apparent gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

"We are a nation of laws whose commitment to justice is so enduring that we would treat a gunman and give him due process, just as surely as we will see that he pays for his crimes," he said.

Hasan is in custody at a nearby hospital. While Obama did not explicitly suggest a motive, or mention Hasan's Muslim faith, he left room for the possibility that there may have been an ideological motivation.

"This much we do know," Obama said. "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts. No just and loving God looks upon them with favor. And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice - in this world and the next."

It was a traditional military service, with a sermon, roll call of the fallen and rifle volley. As Master Sgt. Natasha D. Hartley sang "Amazing Grace," many in the audience wiped tears from their eyes.

The beginning, before the president's arrival, was particularly poignant: Some of the dozens of people wounded descended a staircase; one carried a wheelchair, some wore slings, some used crutches. They were followed, solemnly, by families of the dead.

The president also was scheduled to visit with the families of the 12 soldiers and one civilian killed and some of the dozens who were wounded in the shooting.

This morning, soldiers in jungle camouflage and black berets fanned out across the lawn in front of the III Corps building, the headquarters of the base's top brass. One giant American flag was draped over the building's windows, while another rustled at half-staff.

Pfc. Jessie Ponce, 25, helped carry in large, wood-framed pictures of the dead and turned them to face the stage. She had been trying not to dwell on the shooting, but those photos gave her pause.

"I just stared at them. I didn't know what to think," she said. "This shouldn't be happening."

The somber tribute comes amid new questions about whether the shooting could have been prevented.

Authorities on Monday said that the FBI and Army had apparently looked into contacts between Hasan and a Yemen-based militant Islamist prayer leader with ties to the Sept. 11 hijackers.

Investigators are poring over numerous e-mails sent by Hasan to Anwar al Awlaki and apparently other Islamist figures, said a federal law enforcement official, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

But he said that the information known to authorities at the time did not in any way suggest that Hasan -- a devout Muslim who was reportedly despondent over his scheduled deployment to Afghanistan -- was growing violent or that he was involved in "any terrorist planning or plotting."

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said today Obama had asked the FBI and the Department of Defense to figure out "why this happened, how this happened, and to ensure that they can tell him that it won't happen again."

Authorities still believe that Hasan acted alone when, on Nov. 5, he allegedly opened fire at the base's Soldier Readiness Center complex. Witnesses said he shouted, "Allahu Akbar!" -- Arabic for "God is great" -- before discharging more than 100 rounds from a 5.7mm semiautomatic pistol.

The minutes-long spree -- inside and outside a building where soldiers get medical exams before deploying -- ended when two civilian police officers shot the gunman in the upper torso.

Hasan is in stable condition at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio. Investigators tried to interview him Sunday, but he declined after speaking to a lawyer. Officials said he will be tried in military court.

Before the service, under a flawless sky, soldiers were still grappling with feelings of shock and betrayal.

"This is the first time one of our own has turned against us," said Spc. Christopher Love, 21. "It shook my resolve."

One of Love's friends, a fellow specialist, was shot in the shoulder and the abdomen and remained hospitalized. When Love visited him, they exchanged deployment jokes.

"We were trying to treat everything as normally as possible," Love said. It was hard. "Here, you're supposed to be safe," he said and took a long drag from his cigarette.

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Times staff writers Josh Meyer and Greg Miller contributed to this report.
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« Reply #633 on: November 10, 2009, 10:56:16 PM »

Heart ..Thank you so very much for all the articles and pictures you have posted for us.

God Bless our Troops and God Bless the USA!
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« Reply #634 on: November 10, 2009, 10:58:00 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/10/senate-panel-conducting-hasan-probe-warned-homegrown-threat/

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Senate Panel Conducting Fort Hood Probe Warned of 'Homegrown' Threat

The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee served up startling warnings of "homegrown" threats in a May 2008 report, describing scenarios eerily similar to the mass shooting at Fort Hood last week, which left 13 dead and 29 wounded.

More than a year before the massacre at Fort Hood, a Senate panel conducting an extensive investigation into the threat of homegrown terrorism warned that "radicalization" had spread beyond Afghanistan training camps to the United States and that lone wolves fueled by Internet propaganda would present a growing threat.

The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which produced the report, is the same panel set to conduct what one lawmaker called a "no-holds-barred" investigation into Fort Hood, with hearings scheduled to begin next Thursday. Chairman Joe Lieberman, ID-Conn., has said he sees signs that alleged shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was an "Islamist extremist."

But the panel has been looking at the issue of homegrown threats for years, and its May 2008 report served up startling warnings, describing scenarios eerily similar to the mass shooting at the Texas military post last week, which left 13 dead and 29 wounded.

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« Reply #635 on: November 10, 2009, 10:58:04 PM »

Yes I am ok... several things have come up. Planning sons 16th bday, school(I go online) we all have been puny..not so much sick, just not up to par, and yes for some reason when I try to do too much online everything freezes up. Not sure why, and many times I cant get onto SM at all, it jsut doesnt connect,(but will connect to other sites?? ) AND my best firend in the world somehow got run over by her own truck, with her 9 mth old baby in her arms,. Thank GOD the baby is fine, and my friend is very sore, but is ok. Not making excuses, this forum is very important to me, and has helped me alot.

 I SOOO appreciate ALL Heart has done.

 I watched the Memorial today(is still so surreal this is all going on 15 minutes away.) It was very nice. I do think they should have given victims and family a chance to speak(or maybe they all choose not to) The scene of (I beleive it was) Hunts wife breaking down broke my heart. I wished I was there to just hug her. Things like this always reminds me of when the bible says "Jesus wept".

Ft Hood really is an amazing place. I can remember being about 6 and going to the movies on base to see Star Wars.. My graduation "Chemical Free" party was there, they open ALL their appropriate entertainment to keep us kids off the streets. Officers walked us around, played games with us, held auctions and bingo, for a bunch of bratty kids. There is NO better place in the world to be on July 4th then near Ft Hood. We line HW 190 and the show is the MOST amazing thing I have ever seen, in my life. Fireworks for atleast an hour, and you can hear the band playing..totally awsome(Just a suggestion if you ever get the chance to spend the fourth of July in Bell County Tx) I go every year and never does it get mundane..

 I will give the MOST touching of all Ft Hood moments in my memory. When my daughter was in 5th grade we were in Killeen ISD. (Killeen is where Ft Hood is located in case some dont know) Well in my DD class a little boy got killed the night they started spring break, he was in a go cart and hit a tree and it broke his neck.(RIP our lil Kissyfer..his name is Christopher) After the funeral, we drove 190 to the grave. (for those  that dont know the main gate to Ft Hood is right off 190) Chris' parents both worked for the sheriffs office, and so we had cops sheriifs, motorcycle LE and all sorts leading the funeral pursession..It was a rainy clouddy say..as far as you could see up 190 were lights reflecting in the gloom of the day, police with lights on etc.. When we got the the exits near Ft Hood, there were many soldiers on the side of the road in full gear, saluting this little boy and his family!! They stopped in the middle of their busy day to salute and acknowledge this funeral. I will never know if they even knew who died, and I suspect they thought it was for a LEO.. but no matter they stopped got our of their cars and saluted the whole line of us,(and there were several hundred cars ) They will never know how much my DD appreciated what they did for her young friend, and how much respect my DD has for military because of that day.

Srry to ramble on so, just wnated to share some great memories of Ft Hood and what they do for civilians, as many know what they do for the country during war, but there is really so much more. Officers stationed there mentor kids in schools up to an hour away from the base. Whole battalions "adopt" the schools and spend time with the kids. I have seen military officers in full fatigues out diggin hole with primary aged kids to plant trees, so many stories I can tell..

 The people at Ft Hood are not perfect, but they are great people. They did not deserve this,  nor did we as Americans deserve this. Yes it is a kick in the gut of our country. It hurts so bad. Oddly enough though I feel MORE secure since this day. Ft Hood showed they would pull the danger in, and keep it there.. Anyone living  near Ft Hood lives day to day KNOWING Ft Hood possible could be one of the main terrosit targets, BUT we also KNOW they will do ALL they can to protect us.
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« Reply #636 on: November 10, 2009, 10:58:49 PM »

First Person: Fort Hood Memorial 'Uplifting'

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« Reply #637 on: November 10, 2009, 11:05:21 PM »


Justin DeCrow

Funeral announced for slain Fort Hood soldier

Updated: Nov 10, 2009 9:48 PM CST

Plymouth - Funeral arrangements have been announced for a Plymouth, Ind., native killed in last week's shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas.

Visitation for Army Staff Sgt. Justin M. DeCrow will be from 2 to 8 p.m. Friday in Plymouth Wesleyan Church.

Funeral services for the 32-year-old DeCrow will be at 1 p.m. Saturday at the church, followed immediately by graveside services with full military honors at Plymouth's New Oakhill Cemetery.

DeCrow lived with his wife Marikay and daughter Kylah in Evans, Ga., near Fort Gordon before being assigned to Fort Hood in September. He was a satellite communications operator-maintainer who was to be deployed to Iraq.

The family has asked that gifts be made to a college fund for Kylah in lieu of flowers.

(Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

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« Reply #638 on: November 10, 2009, 11:15:59 PM »

Execution unlikely for suspected Fort Hood shooter
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Posted on November 10, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Despite facing charges for the deaths of 13 people, the suspected Fort Hood shooter will likely never be put to death for the crimes. The military will try Major Nidal Hasan under their justice system which moves faster than the federal system, but has not executed anyone since 1961.

“He will receive a fair trial, but if convicted of murder and sentenced to death, he probably never will be executed.” said Dr. Jeffery Addicott, the director of terrorism law at St. Mary’s University.

The appeals process under the military system is multi-layered and makes putting a convicted murderer to death almost impossible. Hasan will have access to a military attorney at no cost and has also hired his own attorney.

Execution would be much more likely under the federal justice system, but Addicott believes Hasan will not be tried federally because it would indicate he committed an act of terrorism.

“It would be recognition by the administration it was a terrorist act and that is not something they want to do for political purposes.”

Federal trials usually take longer than those tried by the military and Addicott thinks Hasan could be sentenced quickly.

“I would say in a matter of months we should see a conclusion to this case.”

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« Reply #639 on: November 10, 2009, 11:17:26 PM »

Heart ..Thank you so very much for all the articles and pictures you have posted for us.

God Bless our Troops and God Bless the USA!

Yes darla, may God bless the men and women of our military!
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