JSM's BEGGING FOR BAN THREAD # 8

[Fanny Mae]

Hi MUFFY BEE!   

We are sitting here discussing the troubles in the world. 

[Missiontoconvict]

Going back to lurking now. I feel the big button coming down upon me. Been nice knowing you monkeys. Sleep well and hopefully I will see you in the morning. If not, Josef sends his love and I will miss you all. 

Tell Josef to call and we will bail you out  I have some cookie money stashed.

[Fanny Mae]

Going back to lurking now. I feel the big button coming down upon me. Been nice knowing you monkeys. Sleep well and hopefully I will see you in the morning. If not, Josef sends his love and I will miss you all. 

Tell Josef to call and we will bail you out  I have some cookie money stashed.

I wish I had some cookie money stashed. 

[Fanny Mae]

I'm going to try and settle down. I am in overload mode again.

Good Night everybody. 

[Babybear]

Going back to lurking now. I feel the big button coming down upon me. Been nice knowing you monkeys. Sleep well and hopefully I will see you in the morning. If not, Josef sends his love and I will miss you all. 

Tell Josef to call and we will bail you out  I have some cookie money stashed.

I wish I had some cookie money stashed. 

I wish I had some any-kind-of-money stashed.

[islandmonkey]

I have e-mailed IM,but I haven't heard back from her. She promised some pictures earlier. The Weather Channel is showing a lot of sideways rain, and the wind is picking up. 

I think you would be losing an umbrella down on the beach right about now. 

Why yes you would!! I just got back from a drive and walked out to the water, waves are about 17ft high now and they will be closing the bridges soon, but all in all it's not that bad.........we are only expecting to have gusts up to 70mph, but it's a helluva lot of fun to watch........will try to get some video as I left my camera at the party this weekend

[Tevye]

Please pray for my stepmom tomorrow. She is having a carotid endarterectomy tomorrow. TIA JSM

JSM. I'll include her in my rosary. Don't YOU stress out over it, she'll be fine.

[Sassycat]

IM -  Have fun but stay safe!     

JSM - Sending prayers for your step mom tomorrow.       She'll be ok.

Northern -  I was worried that your hubby might catch the flu.   Sending prayers for all of you.

Tevye -  You are such an inspiration to many and you probably don't even realize it.

[Tevye]

Just so I don't look like a xenophobe and a callous person, there are true Muslims that have fought and died for their country and this guys blog helped me put into perspective the muslims that love their country (USA) and the ones that are out to get us. I have posted the pictures from his website because I would like the monkeys to see that there are muslims that have given their life for us. I am not a fan of islam, but these fellows do deserve thanks for giving their lives for us. TIA JSM  



REAL MUSLIM HEROES IN THE MILITARY

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2009/11/american-heroes.html










CONFUSED?


There are many confusing, conflicting aspects to the struggle we are involved in.

Please bear with me while I make my point:

America, and the rest of the civilized world, are at war with an extremely dangerous group of criminal maniacs and their twisted logic.

Up until very recently, the war was known as the "Global War on Terrorism", or G-WOT. I don't know what they're calling it now on citations or campaign medals, but it is important to be aware that we are not fighting 'Terrorism' per se. Terrorism is a tactic, not an enemy in and of itself. What we are fighting is Islamic Fundamentalism, in it's most extreme form.


The question to ask is not "Why do they hate us?"


The question to ask is: "What do they want?"


Consider: there are 1.82 billion Muslims in the world (source: CIA World Factbook). If only one percent of them are Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists, that's 18,200,000 enemy fighters.



This figure, by the way, represents the entire number of soldiers, sailors and airmen who ever served in the German Wehrmacht during the entire course of World War II and the Spanish Civil War (not the force strength of the Wehrmacht at any point).

A terrorist army that large boggles the mind, strains credulity. There are possibly that many sympathizers and auxiliary supporters, but there is no way al Qaeda and it's variants (Taliban etc.) fields and supports that many fighters.

The majority of Muslims are regular folk just like you and me, who want the same things we want: to be left alone, to prosper and provide for their families, to leave their children better off than themselves. As with any demographic, there is a segment of the Muslim community, however, who are susceptible to becoming deranged or disgruntled, like Army Major Nadal Hasan at Fort Hood last Thursday - these sociopaths are found in any population, and their numbers are tiny.

And there is a segment of Muslims who are active, dedicated members of al Qaeda, et al. Despite the fact that the terrorists are capable of inflicting mass casualties, these numbers are also tiny.


Here's my point:

Ordinarily, the modern terrorist ethos is twofold: A) to gain publicity for their cause, whatever it is, and B) to force the State entity into giving concessions.

What is sinister about al Qaeda and their ilk is their plan: they wish no less than to start a global religious war of Muslims versus Christians (Crusaders) and Jews (Zionists). The Islamic Fundamentalists also view secular, sane Islamic nations such as Turkey and Morocco as traitors, and enablers of the Crusaders and Zionists.

Their agenda is to create a limitless bloodbath on such an unprecedented global scale that for all intents and purposes they will have unleashed Armageddon upon us. This is their stated goal. They have stated this numerous times, via video releases, and their writings.

IF we succumb to a xenophobic tendency to embrace a knee-jerk hatred of all things Muslim; IF we lower ourselves to their level - THEN THEY WIN.

It is that simple.

S.L.

The military headstone images preceding this post were originally posted on Frum Forum on 6 November 2009.

JSM, thanks for posting that. My degree will be in Family Life Education, and one of our classes was Ethnicity. Throughout the whole program, I have had a problem with some teachers because I refuse to lump all races/classes/practioners together. I also refuse to inflict my values on other cultures, and i ABSOLUTELY refuse to judge others by my standards. I figure my job will be to help them walk the path they have chosen, not tell them their path is wrong. I am glad to see the fair and balanced aspect of your post, as there are some good and loyal Muslims in our military. Our problem is finding the ones who aren't.

[Missiontoconvict]

Going back to lurking now. I feel the big button coming down upon me. Been nice knowing you monkeys. Sleep well and hopefully I will see you in the morning. If not, Josef sends his love and I will miss you all. 

Tell Josef to call and we will bail you out  I have some cookie money stashed.

I wish I had some cookie money stashed. 

It ain't much but enough to buy us a beer 

[Missiontoconvict]

I have e-mailed IM,but I haven't heard back from her. She promised some pictures earlier. The Weather Channel is showing a lot of sideways rain, and the wind is picking up. 

I think you would be losing an umbrella down on the beach right about now. 

Why yes you would!! I just got back from a drive and walked out to the water, waves are about 17ft high now and they will be closing the bridges soon, but all in all it's not that bad.........we are only expecting to have gusts up to 70mph, but it's a helluva lot of fun to watch........will try to get some video as I left my camera at the party this weekend

Take care IM and be safe 

[Tevye]

I have no doubt there are good Muslims, who want to live in peace, and wish no harm to anyone, American or otherwise. But why is it that they mostly WILL NOT speak out against the radicals and refuse to rebuke them? That is what makes me have a reservation toward them, and why I say I am going to talk to the ones I know and see on a regular basis. Why will they not come out in mass and say "this is wrong and not who we are."

Three simple words for an answer: Fear of retribution. As we have seen in so many cases, some Muslims feel it is their duty to punish those who don't follow the same rules the radicals follow. I am not excusing their unwillingness to speak up, but attempting to explain it.

[Tevye]

Therein lies the problem. How can the good ones be distinguished from the ones who mean harm. Apparently Nidal didn't mean harm until some point in the recent months or years, is it only when they are confronted by the spectre of killing their muslim brothers or is it when they feel it's their duty to avenge the death of their brothers who worship thousands of miles away? The reality is that the basic tenet  of the idea that any man, woman or child who is not muslim is righteously destined to die, and if by the hand of a fellow muslim, it is cause of rejoicing and celebration.
 

Or is it that the chicken shit was just afraid he might be killed? I'm gonna go with that. All that other BS about fighting against his bretheren is just that, BS.

[Sassycat]

Going back to lurking now. I feel the big button coming down upon me. Been nice knowing you monkeys. Sleep well and hopefully I will see you in the morning. If not, Josef sends his love and I will miss you all. 

Tell Josef to call and we will bail you out  I have some cookie money stashed.

I wish I had some cookie money stashed. 

It ain't much but enough to buy us a beer 

    That's all that really matters.   

[no rose colored glasses]

IM please stay safe     Tevye, thank-you for your last two posts, exactly.    Hope you are doing good.

[no rose colored glasses]

Sassy, hope your cats are doing good 

[Sassycat]

Sassy, hope your cats are doing good 

Hi NoRose.  Thanks.   Baby hasn't sneezed since she got her shot this morning.   Doc is going to try putting her on an different antibiotic (taken daily) the next time the URI comes back.   Also, we are going to watch Sassy's tumor and see if it grows, then decide what to do.  Right now, it is really small - smaller than a pea.   

[Tevye]

Hi MUFFY BEE!   

We are sitting here discussing the troubles in the world. 

And we really are being have! (or trying to  )

[Sassycat]

When we were at the vet this morning (hubby went with me) the doc was really sick - coughing and couldn't hardly talk.   I kept thinking "oh great, I going to spend all this money to get sick".      That doc really should have called in sick.    I hope it wasn't the swine flu.   

[Missiontoconvict]

  Tevye - I hope you are doing ok