Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10

[texasmom]

HT Kermit


This is the page from Aruba Today that Kermit posted a few pages back.

I have strained my eyes beyond belief trying to see the picture, I wish I could see it a little better!   

If the picture on the bottom right is the one that Eric Williams is in, the second line in the description under it has "FBI" in it. 

So was he in the picture with others that were FBI?  Or was that description wrong?

The guy in the gray shirt/dark pants doesn't look dark skinned to me.

From what I can see, the man in the center of the group of three to the left also looks like the same guy that was on Persistence!  And I think the guy in the white (police uniform?)could be Papito.

(From the other cases I've seen the Persistence guy on the scene of, I don't think he's DEA.)

I want to know which one is supposed to be Eric Williams!  Pretty please!   

Is he the one that might be whispering in the Persistence guys ear? 

Or the one standing on the other side in jeans?

Or is he the guy in the gray shirt and dark pants, and maybe just had a good tan in May 2005?   

I believe it's the guy in the grey shirt and dark pants......

Thanks jen.  That's who I thought too, but the "dark coloured" description was making me have my doubts.

I'd hoped we hadn't based our belief of that solely on Paulus' description. 

We all know how selective his memory is.   

[klaasend]

A couple of older Eric Williams posts from RU: 

[texasmom]

wanna cookie
ribbit

WHAT IF - JORAN is involved with CHEATING AT THE CASINOS, INVOLVED IN DRUGS AND PROSTITUTION RINGS ALONG WITH PAPA, PAUL BROUGH AND LORENZO

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down.

(Source: Deepak Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 13, 2005_

Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
4:29 post
JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers
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# subdude Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:44 am

casanostra: I believe you are right and the Polis Chief, Prime Minister, JVDS, PVDS the Kalpoes, Stephen Croes and Lorenzo VanRijn are all intertwined with casanostra dealing dope, prostitution, etc…
I think Joran gots his drugs to deal there and dabbled in the sex slave trade. PVDS pimped young girls as well. Remember “PIMPle is about to pop” right before PVDS arrest?

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Joran being served by Bo Dietl in New York State, U.S.

Bo Dietl: "We waited at the airport it was about two hours after the plane had landed...the FBI put him on a watchlist... Mister Joran here.
After leaving customs where he was held for over 2 hours for appearing in a FBI watchlist
, he was served again by Private Investigator Bo Dietl
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&vid=8f074d30-045b-4ba2-8a20-cd2dde1b178a&from=00
http://tinyurl.com/2ncp4f
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BUMP   

[texasmom]

Beth said: he was a legit DEA agent and was interviewed by 2 FBI guys



FBI has dispatched a team to Aruba to help with the search
June 3, 2005: Carmen Adams with FBI
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&from=truveo&vid=8862bbe6-b715-46ac-997d-e62a770374ea

 Nancy Grace/Jug Twitty/Beth Twitty
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).
RACE: DEA?

TWITTY: Yes, there was a DEA on island, Eric Williams (ph) -- that`s another story, Nancy. But, anyway, they met us there at the Holiday Inn lobby because Paul Lilly (ph) had had such a horrific time on that Monday, the 30th, just trying to get help. He had been speaking with the beach patrol, visibility team, no one seemed to know -- talk about the right hand and left hand -- no one knew how to guide him or help him begin.

Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen
http://fight4truth.forumup.us/viewtopic.php?t=471&mforum=fight4truth
he parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel[. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.



tuesday July 26, 2005
same day that Beth upped the reward to $1 mil. Julia Renfro had this photo of Eric Williams in her newspaper.
 
July 22, 2005: ONE MILLION DOLLAR REWARD OFFERED:
Video of Jug and Beth on Greta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM8Pg-92D-M


July 29, 2005 reported on Nancy Grace:
GRACE: A $1 million reward offered for Natalee Holloway`s safe return, $100,000 reward for information on her whereabouts. Tip line, 877- 628-2533. Call toll-free.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


FILE: A member of the FBI is pictured outside the Oranjestad
Police Station. The FBI has been involved with the Natalee Holloway
case since the beginning as observers during interrogations and
giving advice to the local team of investigators. At the request of
Aruba’s Prime Minister in July, the FBI was asked to participate
in full capacity. A result is expected on Monday regarding the
legality of the FBI’s involvement in the case.

From a post Idstlou made at SM questions emailed to Jug and answered.
1) The pnone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voive mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

2)Do you know who called in Charles Croes that first night?

Jug: Eric Williams

3)Could it have been the DEA agent?

Jug: yes

4)Do you know how this DEA agent got involved?

Jug: Will have to find out from Paul Lilly who we have tried to get in touch with but can't

5)Was the DEA agent staying at the Holiday Inn?

Jug: No

6) Did the DEA agent approach the chaperone or did the chaperone approach the DEA agent?

Jug: not sure yet

7)Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 41
When I return to the lobby the DEA agent suggest we go to Carlos 'n Charlie's to as questions and show her picture around. So we load up and head back to the shipyard area.

Page 42
Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information. They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.

02-15-2006
(responding to question: Why meet at a dark Texaco station instead of meeting at the hotel?)
When the Posse arrived (10pm), they explained to the ground crew where the Private Planes land that one of the kids received a phone message and they think it was from Natalee. The ground crew has a close relationship with Croes to be able to get rental phones for VIPs, so the ground crew called him and passed the phone to Beth who explained Natalee's character and that she was missing and her best friend received a strange call and if he could help them locate what phone it came from. Charles lives close to exactly the same distance from the Texaco as the airport, so it was a matter of location, distance and timing that Charles chose the Gas Station. The HI would have been another 2 miles away.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

I also briefly talked to agent WILLIAMS of the FBI. I had told him we had dropped off the girl at the Holiday Inn. It is possible that I told him that I had kissed or had fingered Natalee. For the rest I had told him nothing.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 48
The DEA agent arrives, and all the men gather in a circle in the dirt and gravel driveway area under a streetlight in front of the van der Sloot home. Alberto and Claudio go back and forth between the group and my car to update me on the conversation.

Bump to go with the other Bump...

[texasmom]

A couple of older Eric Williams posts from RU: 

Thanks Klaas!   

[klaasend]

Have no idea if this is the same Eric Williams but just throwing it out there.  I know he's supposed to be a black man:

http://www.susd.org/communityconnection/emss/CC2004-2005/communityconnection110504.htm

[jen3560]

From a post Idstlou made at SM questions emailed to Jug and answered.
1) The pnone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voive mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

2)Do you know who called in Charles Croes that first night?

Jug: Eric Williams

3)Could it have been the DEA agent?

Jug: yes

4)Do you know how this DEA agent got involved?

Jug: Will have to find out from Paul Lilly who we have tried to get in touch with but can't

5)Was the DEA agent staying at the Holiday Inn?

Jug: No

6) Did the DEA agent approach the chaperone or did the chaperone approach the DEA agent?

Jug: not sure yet

7)Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him




Bump to go with the other Bump...

This info from Jug also points in favor of believing our DEA had wiretaps in place prior to Natalee's disappearance.

That's what makes the most logical sense for Williams to have contacted the cell phone guy Charles Croes - that he already knew he was the cell phone guy...

[jen3560]

Thanks Klaas.

I have never believed Mr Williams was a black man. 

Like TxMom posted earlier - its probably not a good idea to trust Paulus' word on anything. 

Have no idea if this is the same Eric Williams but just throwing it out there.  I know he's supposed to be a black man:

http://www.susd.org/communityconnection/emss/CC2004-2005/communityconnection110504.htm

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66740.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Trees at dumping prices

December 23, 2009, 13:17 (GMT -04:00)



Aruba last year had a shortage of Christmas trees, this year there are many trees on the traders they must burn.
ORANGE CITY - It is a battlefield. With just a few days to go for Christmas is their Christmas trees to supermarkets and merchants not to lose the cobblestones. Container Loads pine trees are being burned.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

In his Tarabana Store Wensley Wu and Richard Kock busy breaking down the tent from which they have sold Christmas trees in recent days. "Last year was only half a Christmas tree Aruba. Now there is a tree for everyone. We sell them for forty florin, but I think tonight we have the price to go lower. "

Pacifico Christmas tree has a large number of pine trees in stock and is deserted. The shopkeeper had just stepped into his truck as if he wanted to leave unguarded stocks express, in the hope that in return he would find fewer trees. "We have sold them for 75 to 100 florin. Now they go away for fifty. I can price a bit lower, but not too much. "He looks sour.
By Xing Cheng supermarket in Paradera they already offered 25 florin. "We go a few trees away to regular customers, I think," said the young shop assistant Michael Liu. "Are you sure that you do not want tree?" Yong Heng, head of the eponymous supermarket, says that he and some other supermarkets have purchased two containers. "This was the first year that we have sold Christmas trees, but the sale went bad. Last year things were good for us and thought they can make money. I have this years Christmas trees purchased for 60 florin each and must sell them for forty dollars. If I did not sell. "

Keh Wu, manager of Morning Supermarket is one of the shopkeepers who have participated in joint purchasing. "I go through my inventory. No problems! "He will not tell at what price he has sold his trees. Outside his supermarket, the nineteen Cen, supermarket employee in Hua Run. He may of the people of Morning, which is located at a busy roundabout, trying to sell his trees. A beautiful large pine, which normally would have produced at least 150 florin, is on offer for 50 florin. "We will continue until December 24, while we still have trees," he says. He has quite a few. Unemployed, he sits on his stool, staring at the cars that long drive.

Alex Heijkoop, Flora works at Market with a smile let know that in his shop only plastic Christmas trees for sale. "We were lucky and our stock back." Because last year was an acute shortage of Christmas trees, many customers bought their tree early so they would not support the same fish. "We had our trees early in the shop and they were in the first week almost all gone."

Nightmare
Esther van der Biezen of Seasons & Trends that most Christmas trees this year has imported and sold, though it was at a lower price than was intended, says that a total of thirty containers of Christmas trees have been ordered. "The second shipment consisted of twenty-two containers. I think it was assumed that, like last year, would not return to this place. "This refers van der Biezen on the cricket field, where she and her husband Tom van der Biezen nearly two decades Kerstboomlandia headed. When Tom van der Biezen got stuck in connection with the laundering of money that was stolen from a cash transportation, the case went to the bottle. The eight containers it previously imported each year, missing last year and there was a big shortage. Now he is back as a consultant Seasons & Trends, at the same location and with almost the same formula. From his lawyer he can not speak to press since Amigoe interviewed him some months back, but his wife is our friendly way. "The owners of this company are disappointed in the course of the Christmas tree sales this year. Ultimately, we still can do good business with the Christmas items. They have a lot of the damage we catch jumped due to lowering the price of Christmas trees. We have turned a profit, but not as much as we had hoped for. "According to Van der Biezen, the Chinese supermarkets are often underestimated the economy. "They have very much, despite the bad, the economy and many people have lost their jobs. I really do not understand why. In the period between May and August and then buy all the things that was clearly not stand. Tomorrow, the first container loads brought to the dump to be burned, I've heard. They also had the bad luck that the Christmas trees this year have arrived too late. The shipment was a nightmare this year. There you are with your trees. "

Fireworks
Van der Biezen expects the same happen to the sale of fireworks, which begins on December 26. "We expect that people who used to ease in 1000 florin spent on fireworks, this year with less money to do. Therefore we have ordered for a lot less this year. "There is also in klapchi question of excessive buying. "In the warehouse of Wela are three containers. There are twenty containers move. Then there are 24 containers last year. We know from us that about fifteen containers before anyone is making profit. You will see that the Chinese shops their prices have not yet published. They look to compete, so they can sit under. "

 

[San]

Thanks Klaas.

I have never believed Mr Williams was a black man. 

Like TxMom posted earlier - its probably not a good idea to trust Paulus' word on anything. 

Have no idea if this is the same Eric Williams but just throwing it out there.  I know he's supposed to be a black man:

http://www.susd.org/communityconnection/emss/CC2004-2005/communityconnection110504.htm

I always said take what they say and reverse it.  When they say black it's probably white.

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

[Magnolia]

Be still my heart!!!

[texasmom]

Thank you Kermit!   

Maybe Paulus was describing his hair color...   

[texasmom]

Thanks Klaas.

I have never believed Mr Williams was a black man. 

Like TxMom posted earlier - its probably not a good idea to trust Paulus' word on anything. 

Have no idea if this is the same Eric Williams but just throwing it out there.  I know he's supposed to be a black man:

http://www.susd.org/communityconnection/emss/CC2004-2005/communityconnection110504.htm

I always said take what they say and reverse it.  When they say black it's probably white.

 

[Magnolia]

The guy in the picture with the helicopter and the children has on a US Army regulation fatigue uniform.
Do we think Eric Williams is in the Army?

[Tamikosmom]

THE REASON FOR THE SEASON – JESUS

Luke 2:8-11

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.  And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.  And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.


Loving Natalee – Natalee’s Room - Beth Holloway

I take the journal out and sit down on her (Natalee) bed to read what she has written about love and life

"Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity and is the most influential person in my life.  I believe without Him people would be nothing and have no directions in life".
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MERRY CHRISTMAS

[Keepthefaith]

THE REASON FOR THE SEASON – JESUS

Luke 2:8-11

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.  And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.  And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.


Loving Natalee – Natalee’s Room - Beth Holloway

I take the journal out and sit down on her (Natalee) bed to read what she has written about love and life

"Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity and is the most influential person in my life.  I believe without Him people would be nothing and have no directions in life".
_______


MERRY CHRISTMAS

MERRY CHRISTMAS JANET...

It is a great time for reflection,to remind ourselves,how blessed we all are!

[Mere]

   Hello Night Crew.....hope your holidays will be wonderful....