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wreck
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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December 10, 2009, 04:39:30 PM »
Quote from: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 04:13:24 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
I could be totally wrong....if so apologies....but I thought Peter did a show about Joran and the
sex slave traffic about a year ago.
When Joran is mentioned, Natalee is automatically brought to mind.
http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2393
November 10, 2008
Reporter Peter De Vries has made a second hidden-camera expose on Dutch student Joran Van der Sloot,
who was believed to be with Natalee Holloway when she vanished while on a senior trip to Aruba. De Vries won an Emmy this year for another report on Van Der Sloot, 21, in which the student admits to dumping Holloway’s body after she suddenly began shaking and died as they were kissing.
De Vries’ latest report, which was shown Sunday night on Dutch television, shows Van der Sloot telling someone posing as a sex-industry boss that he can get passports for Thai women and girls who think they are going to the Netherlands to work as dancers, DutchNews.nl reported.
Van der Sloot makes about $13,000 for every woman sold into prostitution in the Netherlands, De Vries claims.
“The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others,†De Vries told a Dutch newspaper. “The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him.â€
Thanks Kermit!
I saw the hat you knitted for Miss San in a department store the other day. I almost bought one for myself, but didn't want Miss Piggy to question me like a Cheat a.
I heard Tiger Woods endorsements might re-think their slogans now.
For example: NIKE - JUST DO IT!
In a concession to Tiger -- they have agreed to change their name to "Nooky".
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Quote from: wreck on December 10, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
November 28, 2006
Robert Jensen show
DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by
Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family
who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times So clearly the search of the house hadnt been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran's room could be searched.
That doesn't sound like someone "in-cahoots" with ALE!
Newp! Not in the least.
Also serves as a good reminder on (
Voc)King, Bastibro's buddy
.
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Wreck!
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Wreck!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Quote from: Anna on December 10, 2009, 04:36:53 PM
Janet:
In my opinion ... there was more light was shed on the the truth in the leaked recordings from the police van.
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Paulus had already warned J2K multiple times including at the meeting around the pool that they would be under surveillance and to watch what they said.
Joran for sure knew this and so I think in the police van he was saying things for the benefit of the recorder. Kalpoes more or less but seemed more candid than Joran who was trying to get them to incriminate themselves even more.
I have never taken that recording to be any more than two sides each semi-threatening to blame the other. Trying to make each other look bad for the sake of the recorder they suspected might be on.
After all, they were still in Aruba and it was very odd to place all three suspects in the same van at the same time so they had to have suspected the reason.
JMO
Boy, I so agree with this:
You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story.
I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.
On your question what made me think that the police would be monitoring our phones, I can say the following. I thought this might happen earlier and Joran had said the same thing to me on Tuesday May 31st 2005*
. The purpose of the chat traffic was to help the police and the Office of the DA with regard to the investigation so that they could see that I was indeed home in the night from Sunday to Monday. But I have understood that they do not have the chat traffic from that night but that they do have the one from Tuesday. I know the technical procedure, so if they have the one from Tuesday than they should be looking for the one from Sunday to Monday.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Quote from: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 10, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
November 28, 2006
Robert Jensen show
DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by
Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family
who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times So clearly the search of the house hadnt been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran's room could be searched.
That doesn't sound like someone "in-cahoots" with ALE!
Newp! Not in the least.
Also serves as a good reminder on (
Voc)King, Bastibro's buddy
.
Hey, speaking of Bastibro, where's my bracelet!
We know he was promising to send a real one in real life otherwise he would not have needed my home address, right?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Quote from: Anna on December 10, 2009, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 10, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
November 28, 2006
Robert Jensen show
DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by
Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family
who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times So clearly the search of the house hadnt been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran's room could be searched.
That doesn't sound like someone "in-cahoots" with ALE!
Newp! Not in the least.
Also serves as a good reminder on (
Voc)King, Bastibro's buddy
.
Hey, speaking of Bastibro, where's my bracelet!
We know he was promising to send a real one in real life otherwise he would not have needed my home address, right?
I forgot......he asked me to just knit you one!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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In my opinion ...
Patrick vander Eem's own words in DISPOSED reveal that authorities were aware from the get go of his plans to expose Joran van der Sloot. Patrick vander Eem's own words in DISPOSED reveal that authorities were aware of the Range Rover recordings and provided input right up to the fifth ... the final ride.
Janet
+++++++++
AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE
Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.
Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys
Janet
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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES
Aruba: no action yet against Dutch student
Sunday 03 February 2008
De Vries told the Nova current affairs show on Saturday evening that the Aruban authorities did not know everything about his new evidence. 'I do not have to report to them,' he said.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_no_action_yet_against_du.php
ACCORDING TO PATRICK VANDER EEM
Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
Chapter 9:
... It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you cant directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.
Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak.
Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.
Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
Chapter 18:
... The vacation ended far too soon and there I was back in the Netherlands. Joran called me and said 'Hey, are we going to do something? Am I going to see you?' So I had arranged to see him on January 29.
The Range Rover we had used was brought back because apparently the place the crime show rented it from had sold it. The gave us one that was, to say the least, different. The slick black interior was now brown for a start. How the hell was I going to explain this away to Joran? I could always tell him that they were pimping my ride and this was a loaner.
This trip I had to focus on how Natalee died.
Daury? Was that really his name or had Joran made that up to protect the real person who helped him? I knew I had to stick to the script as much as I could this time.
... That night we hit the casino and the red light district in Arnhem. It was really late when I decided to take him home we ran into a police checkpoint on the way out of the red light district.
I stopped the way I should and the officer asks for my driver's licence. He asks if the car is mine and I say it's a rental because mine is in the shop. Then he wants to see the paper work. The rental agreement is listed to Endemol. So I'm afraid the copy will say 'So you work for Endemol' with Joran sitting next to me. I quickly step out of the car to talk with the police officer.
Another officer comes over and we all talk nicely and it gets straightened out. No problems. They let me go on my way.
Who knows, when they checked my documents they got a big 'leave this car alone' on their screen
.
ACCORDING TO ARUBAN/DUTCH MEDIA
Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway
after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence
, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.
Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.
During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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December 10, 2009, 05:23:47 PM »
Whoa!
HUGE difference (not to mention the number of MONTHS that went by) between the Neth CIE and the Aruban prosecutor Peter met with after most of the recordings had been done.
Huge!
Details had already been revealed by Joran long before Peter ever met with Mos.
I would very highly doubt that the CIE hurried and called someone on Aruba after talking with Peter the summer before all this happened, in order to give Joran a heads up.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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December 10, 2009, 05:29:27 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 05:12:39 PM
In my opinion ...
Patrick vander Eem's own words in DISPOSED reveal that authorities were aware from the get go of his plans to expose Joran van der Sloot. Patrick vander Eem's own words in DISPOSED reveal that authorities were aware of the Range Rover recordings and provided input right up to the fifth ... the final ride.
Janet
+++++++++
AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE
Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.
Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys
Janet
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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES
Aruba: no action yet against Dutch student
Sunday 03 February 2008
De Vries told the Nova current affairs show on Saturday evening that the Aruban authorities did not know everything about his new evidence. 'I do not have to report to them,' he said.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_no_action_yet_against_du.php
ACCORDING TO PATRICK VANDER EEM
Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
Chapter 9:
... It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you cant directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.
Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak.
Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.
Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
Chapter 18:
... The vacation ended far too soon and there I was back in the Netherlands. Joran called me and said 'Hey, are we going to do something? Am I going to see you?' So I had arranged to see him on January 29.
The Range Rover we had used was brought back because apparently the place the crime show rented it from had sold it. The gave us one that was, to say the least, different. The slick black interior was now brown for a start. How the hell was I going to explain this away to Joran? I could always tell him that they were pimping my ride and this was a loaner.
This trip I had to focus on how Natalee died.
Daury? Was that really his name or had Joran made that up to protect the real person who helped him? I knew I had to stick to the script as much as I could this time.
... That night we hit the casino and the red light district in Arnhem. It was really late when I decided to take him home we ran into a police checkpoint on the way out of the red light district.
I stopped the way I should and the officer asks for my driver's licence. He asks if the car is mine and I say it's a rental because mine is in the shop. Then he wants to see the paper work. The rental agreement is listed to Endemol. So I'm afraid the copy will say 'So you work for Endemol' with Joran sitting next to me. I quickly step out of the car to talk with the police officer.
Another officer comes over and we all talk nicely and it gets straightened out. No problems. They let me go on my way.
Who knows, when they checked my documents they got a big 'leave this car alone' on their screen
.
ACCORDING TO ARUBAN/DUTCH MEDIA
Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway
after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence
, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.
Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.
During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip
Not one of the statements you cite proves anything regarding Peter deVries.IMO
Private Eye was talking about the Persistence Crew and the evidence found in the trap/cage
Peter told NOVA that he did not have to report to them, because he didn't. He was polite enough to
allow Mos to see a copy of his report before it aired.....common courtsey.
When Patrick contacted the Dutch Police CIE, they frankly told him that they could not assist him
but maybe Peter could. It would have been entrapment if they assisted.
On the final trip, Joran implicates himself in murder.
Etc, etc, etc.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Quote from: Magnolia on December 07, 2009, 10:30:15 PM
We might be onto something.
Someone in Aruba is interested.
Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 66.247.204.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
ISP Sprint
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On December 7th the Duarry link was posted at SM and Magnolia discovered SOMEONE in Aruba seemed very interrested.
On December 8th, the Duarry link information was posted at BFN, maybe by Edward...I'm not sure. Right after it was posted a NEW MEMBER posted at BFN by the name of FLORIS. Floris proceeded to post about how they knew where Natalee was buried on the island. Here are a couple of Floris's posts:
This would be the approximate area Floris was referring to:
FLORIS posted about 30 times before deleting their posts (
sure sounds like REALITY
).
I have most if not all of the FLORIS posts at BFN but I'm not going to post them. It appears to me that FLORIS (maybe Reality) was posting to change the subject away from
Duarry
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I didn't copy and paste it because I thought I was being a little obsessive about the site meter.
Three others from Aruba came and read the Duarry info and then those same ones from Aruba googled and
went to the closeup of Lorenzo's property. Maybe a coincidence?
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December 10, 2009, 05:43:35 PM »
Janet I searched to see your information in context....
AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE
Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.
Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys
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It is found at the link below, however it does not start with "AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE"
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2
see reply #686
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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December 10, 2009, 05:44:43 PM »
Quote from: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 05:29:27 PM
Not one of the statements you cite proves anything regarding Peter deVries.IMO
Private Eye was talking about the Persistence Crew and the evidence found in the trap/cage
Peter told NOVA that he did not have to report to them, because he didn't. He was polite enough to
allow Mos to see a copy of his report before it aired.....common courtsey.
When Patrick contacted the Dutch Police CIE, they frankly told him that they could not assist him
but maybe Peter could. It would have been entrapment if they assisted.
On the final trip, Joran implicates himself in murder.
Etc, etc, etc.
That's how I remember it, also.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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December 10, 2009, 05:49:15 PM »
Quote from: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
I didn't copy and paste it because I thought I was being a little obsessive about the site meter.
Three others from Aruba came and read the Duarry info and then those same ones from Aruba googled and
went to the closeup of Lorenzo's property. Maybe a coincidence?
Thanks Klaas!
Magnolia - wasn't I just saying that watching that site meter can be very insightful?
Klaas - do all of that person's posts have the ending punctuation the same way as that first one you posted? With a space in between the last letter, before the punctuation?
Over the years Reality's posts under his various nics have been studied closely - and most all of them are that way with the punctuation. And of course, the immediate deletion of his own posts, as you said, is a dead give away.
Hmmm
So it looks like we had an Aruban visitor reading up on what was found, and then miraculously Reality creates a new nic and posts at BFN that Natalee is buried, and not at sea?
Coinky Dink? I somehow doubt it!
Gee - they are getting more and more transparent, aren't they?
I wonder what Robin Holloway thinks of her GOOD FRIEND Reality now? I wonder if she even knows that he was spouting off stating he knew where her neice's BODY IS? Did her GOOD FRIEND Debbie tell her?
What a piece of work that guy is!
So I guess that tells us we've definitely hit a nerve - and Brinkman is now asking what could be the right questions?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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December 10, 2009, 05:51:33 PM »
Quote from: Mere on December 10, 2009, 05:43:35 PM
Janet I searched to see your information in context....
AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE
Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.
Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys
_________________________________________________-
It is found at the link below, however it does not start with "AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE"
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2
see reply #686
In my opinion ... Private Eye's words imply an absolute principle. Collaborating with the enemy in any situation will not result in a positive outcome.
Janet
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_____
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Quote from: Mere on December 10, 2009, 05:43:35 PM
Janet I searched to see your information in context....
AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE
Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.
Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys
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It is found at the link below, however it does not start with "AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE"
Self edit of link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Jen
In my opinion ...
In all probability ... Paulus and Joran were given a heads-up following the first meeting that Patrick van der Eem had with the CIE ... the first meeting with the CEI when Patrick attempted to make a financial deal for secretly recording a FULL CONFESSION.
Jen ... do you sincerely believe that the authorities in Holland and/or Aruba would have with withheld this information from Paulus and Joran? Do you sincerely believe that those who had adhered to the cover-up agenda to protect Joran and Paulus from implication were now on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway?
Janet
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ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY
On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.
'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They neverthey never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/
ACCORDING TO JOSSY MANSUR
Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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One of the Aruban visitors that googled Johan's close up of Lorenzo's property
just said: Aruba......the provider and ISP were unknown. Does that mean anything?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 05:52:57 PM
Jen
In my opinion ...
In all probability ... Paulus and Joran were given a heads-up following the first meeting that Patrick van der Eem had with the CIE ... the first meeting with the CEI when Patrick attempted to make a financial deal for secretly recording a FULL CONFESSION.
Jen ... do you sincerely believe that the authorities in Holland and/or Aruba would have with withheld this information from Paulus and Joran? Do you sincerely believe that those who had adhered to the cover-up agenda to protect Joran and Paulus from implication were now on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway?
Janet
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Janet,
No - I don't think that those who helped Paulus and Joran would hesitate to let them know about a sting operation.
But I've got some thoughts for you also.
Do you honestly believe that every single officer in the Netherlands was in on the cover up? Do you honestly believe that even every single officer on Aruba was in on it?
I don't. I can't paint two whole countries' law enforcement officials with the brush of corruption without proof. IMO, we have seen nothing to prove that any officer in the Netherlands has helped Joran and/or Paulus cover anything up. But we have seen that some officers in Aruba were NOT in on the cover up. Remember Lt Tromp?
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