Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10

[Kermit]

In simpler terms. See the times, how Joran arrives at the Racquet Club with his bag, doesn't have a tennis lesson, talks to Koen. Takes off with the bag to the Bird Sancutuary and dumps the bag, gets a call from Deepak and says he is at the Wyndham to cover if anyone saw him in that area.

Joran hikes it back to the Racquet Club by 7 pm and makes the call to Paulus then to Guido and Paulus arrives by 8 pm he states and delivers a bag to Joran. Joran puts that bag behind the bar rather then put it inside a locker because he is trying to have an alibi he was at the Racquet club - hoping someone sees the bag and will identify it is Joran's bag and therefore he has an alibi he was there,  when really he was off dumping evidence. He leaves in his sandals.




2:45 - On Monday, May 30th 2005, I did not talk to anyone at school about having left behind Natalee. Approximately 14.45 pm, I got back onto the school bus to be driven home

4:00 - I arrived at home at approximately 16.00 pm. It is possible that I called someone or that someone called me. It is also possible that I sent or received messages. I am sure Satish didn't and Deepak it is possible. If I had talked to Deepak then I would have asked him what he had been doing that day or what he was going to do

4:00-5:00 - Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I had done my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted to Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that.

5:00 - At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club

5:00-6:00 - Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was cowardly/weak and that no one was there

6:00-7:00 - My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself

Art Wood - "But when I investigated the Racquet Club I found that Joran had never played tennis there that night."
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63342

Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham a nd that he wa s there together with our friend Guido
DEEPAK 6-1 3

7:00 - Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis.

7:15 - At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone.

7:45 - 19.45 pm I arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino.



8:00 - She had then told me that it was 20.00 pm. I immediately walked to the Wyndham Hotel & Casino


8:15 - The tournament started at 20.15 pm.
1. - I was at a table with ten (10) people. At the beginning of the game everyone had to give their registration receipt to the "Dealer". Thirty (30) minutes later I had lost.

8:45 - I then went to play black jack for about 15 minutes

9:00 - I went back to the poker game to play again. The second time I played poker I was in the game for about 1 hour. After an hour I had gone out.

[Kermit]

PART 2


Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007
Reply #563 on: February 08, 2007, 12:08:49 AM bleachedblack
Posted by Debbie at BFN on May 12th 2006;

I have also heard from reliable source that Alexander Gottenbos and PVDS are cousins. Since I do not have a copy of their family tree or birth certificates it will be hard for me to prove, but I do trust who told me.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=818.msg115420#msg115420


DAVE WENT BACK TO ARUBA OCTOBER 2005 BASED UPON A TIP TO SEARCH THE OCEAN - WHO WAS THE LEAK?
 

FOLLOW THE DATES

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
des cription: witness statement



"I left for Aruba again early on October 18, 2005. Tim Miller and his searchers came along, as did Art Wood.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 166)




KOEN IS AT THE RACQUET CLUB WITH JORAN
IN HIS BOOK HE SAYS HE GETS TO THE WYNDHAM AT 6:45,
approximately an hour and 15 minutes difference in time

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
(Source: Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - p. 9)


We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalie and that they either left her at the boat launch or at the lighthouse. From there, they supposedly went to a field
area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move. According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fisherman huts to get a steel cage
to put Natalie into; they then used the boat to carry her about two to 3 miles out into the ocean and dropped her there. The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.
He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill. In preparation for the search, I met with the Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruban Tourism Association, and some political leaders and arranged to get some boats and hotel rooms.
Thankfully, we were able to get people onto flights, and once they arrived we began the process of searching.

Starting from the area in front of the hotel, we plan to search up to 5 miles out into the ocean.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 167-168)


Slowly more evidence was coming to light. We heard more about the cage that was stolen from the fisherman huts. On the night after Natalie disappeared, three out of four fishermans huts on the beach near where she and Joran allegedly went were burglarized. Missing from one of the huts was a knife and a cage used to trap fish. Supposedly the fishermen forgot until much later to report the incident. He finally called it in but was not contacted back. Apparently the cage was made of wire and had an opening at one end were the fish enter and cannot get back out. It was usually weighted and baited and put in the water with a buoy to mark its location. It was big enough to hold the human body,
and the theory is that Natalie was put in there and taken out to sea. In an e-mail I had received, someone discussing the cages stated that a lock was broken, and the net was used to dump Natalie 2 miles offshore.
(Source: Dave Holloway pages 76-77)



August 30 Koen gives a statement (one of 4)


October - Dave goes back to Aruba to search the ocean based on a tip he received in an email.

subajap - begins posting lies that Natalee ran off with Blue-eyed Dutch boy, Lions Den is baloney, etc. etc.

Dompig tells Dave and Tim to search in ocean off the lighthouse area!
NOT WHERE WE KNOW THAT NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN IN OUR FACES OF EVIL DOCUMENT.

Now that is known that Dave has received this information from
Koens interview on the 30th, Koen's father does not let him be interviewed again after that..........

They sell the boat, they sell their house, and they leave the island and move to GA. Sander enrolls in school. I know from having an old photo of Sander that I spent a lot of time trying to figure out the background of that photo and it seemed like it was in the U.S. by the houses and cars and not in Aruba. That told me that the family either had lived in the U.S. at one time or vacationed in the U.S. and/or had family here. It makes sense that they left Aruba and came to the U.S.

Dave left Aruba with Tim Miller having not searched the right area and with a lot of opposition from Dompig who would not allow FBI to come in and search.


in his book Joran seems to forget
the places he stopped to occupy that time
that he needed an excuse for his being out in the boat

[Magnolia]

Thanks Kermit!

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on.

[Magnolia]

Thanks Kermit!

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on.

Except I think the cage was already in the ocean and they just took Natalee down to it.

[Magnolia]

Does anybody know if Aruba uses a Zamboni type sand sweeper to clean the beach at night?

[Keepthefaith]

It's very sad to read those statements and timelines!Those P.O.S that aided and abetted J2k & Paulus will have their judgement day coming!God Bless those who are continuing to sharpen their shovels and continue digging.

[Keepthefaith]

 

[klaasend]

Does anybody know if Aruba uses a Zamboni type sand sweeper to clean the beach at night?

I remember years ago seeing what the sweepers look like.  I'm looking to see if I can find it again.  In the mean time found my own image googling Aruba sand sweepers, lol 

[klaasend]

Magnolia - this photo was uploaded to Webshots in 2002 with the title of "AM beach clean-up with the ol' John Deere...gideeeup"

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1039864855035788259sBDxgb

[Magnolia]

Does anybody know if Aruba uses a Zamboni type sand sweeper to clean the beach at night?

I remember years ago seeing what the sweepers look like.  I'm looking to see if I can find it again.  In the mean time found my own image googling Aruba sand sweepers, lol 

I remember that screw Aruba one.   I have googled  and googled.....haven't found a thing.
I know when I was young and went to the beach every day, we knew to get anything off the beach by 10:00PM
or it woud be gone by morning, due to the sweepers.  I think they have those at most tourist beaches, but
TM thinks the tradewinds might do the cleaning.   Just thinking about the shoes.

[Magnolia]

Magnolia - this photo was uploaded to Webshots in 2002 with the title of "AM beach clean-up with the ol' John Deere...gideeeup"

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1039864855035788259sBDxgb

Thanks Klaas...exactly what I was thinking of.  Then the sand is all squeeky in the morning.
If Joran left those shoes at the beach, the sweeper would have gotten them.

[Keepthefaith]

North Georgia 7, Young Harris 2
Sept. 29, 2009 at Dahlonega, GA (NGCSU Tennis Complex)
Singles competition 
1. Luciano Paes Neto (NGCSU) def. Laurenz Schraepen (YH) 0-6, 6-3, 7-6 (11-9) 
2. Daniel Aguilon (NGCSU) def. Jordan Johnson (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
3. Adrien Saulais (NGCSU) def. Mitchell Midkiff (YH) 6-3, 6-1 
4. Brandon Sloan (NGCSU) def. Jamie Childree (YH) 7-6 (10-8), 6-4 
5. Parker LaSure (NGCSU) def. Koen Gottenbos (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
6. Matt Howard (YH) def. Adam Kersh (NGCSU) 7-5, 6-4 


http://www.saintssports.com/sports/mten/2009-10/news/yh1001

[Keepthefaith]

North Georgia 7, Young Harris 2
Sept. 29, 2009 at Dahlonega, GA (NGCSU Tennis Complex)
Singles competition 
1. Luciano Paes Neto (NGCSU) def. Laurenz Schraepen (YH) 0-6, 6-3, 7-6 (11-9) 
2. Daniel Aguilon (NGCSU) def. Jordan Johnson (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
3. Adrien Saulais (NGCSU) def. Mitchell Midkiff (YH) 6-3, 6-1 
4. Brandon Sloan (NGCSU) def. Jamie Childree (YH) 7-6 (10-8), 6-4 
5. Parker LaSure (NGCSU) def. Koen Gottenbos (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
6. Matt Howard (YH) def. Adam Kersh (NGCSU) 7-5, 6-4 


http://www.saintssports.com/sports/mten/2009-10/news/yh1001

Men's Tennis:  YHC Wins Two Consolation Crowns, Advances To Two Championship Matches at CACC Invitational

Alexander City, Ala. -- Two weeks after taking Alexander City, Ala., by storm at the Intercollegiate Tennis Association's Southeastern Regional, Young Harris College's men's team went back to Alexander City for the Central Alabama Invitational October 9-11.  The return trip was almost impressive as the first.

The Mountain Lions saw Jordan Brannon win the Flight Two Singles Consolation title and Mitchell Midkiff and Koen Gottenbos claim the Flight One Doubles Consolation title, while Laurenz Schraepen advanced to the final match of the Flight One Championship bracket and the doubles team of Jordan Johnson and Matt Howard played for the Flight Two doubles championship.

http://www.yhc.edu/athletics/men's-tennis/men's-tennis-cacc-invitational-results.aspx


Looks like this is where Koen is at?????????????????

[Kermit]

Rick Zeolla the General Manager at the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris
“then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family (Paulus VDS Witness Statement 06/24/05)
* Zeolla's wife is a member of IFA
* Mark Purcell (MIP6 worked at Marriott hotel)
* Joran and his friends stayed at Marriott hotel (picture with belt around boys neck
* Valenjtin also partyed at Marriott hotel with his friend Jimmy Rock (his father was the manager who left shortly after Natalee disappeared and he went to Mexico)
* Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel
*  Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search of the girl. Paulus VDS Witness Statement 06/18/05
*

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Strikin Nerves ehhhh Kermit!

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[Kermit]

Marriott General Manager - Rick Zeolla (is also on the AHATA board
as treasurer)


Board of Directors Meeting HOTELS IN ARUBA:
Directors:
Alfred Thompson, CARIMAR BEACH CLUB, Anguilla
Robert Sherman, CURTAIN BLUFF RESORT, Antigua – and Chairman for Caribbean Hotel Foundation
Astrid Muller, DIVI ARUBA PHOENIX BEACH RESORT, Aruba
Edgar Roelofs, MANCHEBO BEACH RESORT & SPA, Aruba
Rob Smith, WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT & CASINO, Aruba
Rick Zeolla, ARUBA MARRIOTT RESORT & STELLARIS CASINO, Aruba
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:FFPVJkLq3WYJ:www.caribbeanhotels.org/DOCSclosed/Minutes/BODMinutes0605.pdf+Richard+Zeolla+Aruba&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&


October 11th 2004,

On Thursday morning the Prime Minister received a delegation
of Marriott Corp. The delegation consisted out of the President
of Marriott International Ed Fuller, Area Vice President
Caribbean & South America Manuel Ovies, Director of Human
Resources Corey Guest and General Manager of Aruba Marriott
Resort & Casino Richard Zeolla.

The visit of the delegation is related to the good cooperation between Marriott Corp and the government. Marriott has ongoing projects on the island that include the
construction of the Marriott Surf Club and the construction of a new conference center. Marriott Corp has 4 properties on the island, the Marriott Surf Club presently under
construction, Aruba Marriott Ocean Club, Aruba Marriott Resort & Casino and the Renaissance Resort & Casino.

The Prime Minister thanked the delegation for the visit and wished Marriott success with their future projects.
http://www.cyberdistrict.net/eddy/1836.htm


1998 - General Manger of Marriott Hotel was Scott Ringer
2005 - Genreal Manager of Marriott Hotel is Richard Zeolla
http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=602&PHPSESSID=f76d3378238f33ee2c7d4092f4000c9c


 Pesquera, President & CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Touism Association introcued
the 2007 board of trustees for the association.
 Ewald Biemans, Bucuti Beach Resort & Tara Suites, Chairman. Board officers include
Alex Nieuwmeyer, Divi Mega Resorts, 1st Vice Chair; Warren Stanley, Atlantis Adventures,
2nd Vice Chair; Rick Zeolla, Marriott Resorts, Treasurer and Lisettte Malmberg, de Palm
Tours, Secretary.

 Officers of the board include Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance;
David Smith, Valero Refinery; Bill Carson, CMB Carribean Mercantile Bank;
Guillermo Valencia, Holiday Inn Sunspree; Gary Jutz, Raddisson Aruba Resort & Casino; Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Rob Smith, Aruba Westin Resort & Casablanca Casino and Peter Steinmetz, AAA, Aruba Airport Authority.
Jorge
http://www.arubatoday.com/newspaper/April/AT-2-4-07.pdf

[Kermit]

Thanks Kermit!

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on.

Thank you. Credit goes to rjdeer.

[Kermit]

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[texasmom]

Thanks Kermit!

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on.

Thank you. Credit goes to rjdeer.

Thanks to both of you!