Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10

[Keepthefaith]

North Georgia 7, Young Harris 2
Sept. 29, 2009 at Dahlonega, GA (NGCSU Tennis Complex)
Singles competition 
1. Luciano Paes Neto (NGCSU) def. Laurenz Schraepen (YH) 0-6, 6-3, 7-6 (11-9) 
2. Daniel Aguilon (NGCSU) def. Jordan Johnson (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
3. Adrien Saulais (NGCSU) def. Mitchell Midkiff (YH) 6-3, 6-1 
4. Brandon Sloan (NGCSU) def. Jamie Childree (YH) 7-6 (10-8), 6-4 
5. Parker LaSure (NGCSU) def. Koen Gottenbos (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
6. Matt Howard (YH) def. Adam Kersh (NGCSU) 7-5, 6-4 


http://www.saintssports.com/sports/mten/2009-10/news/yh1001

Men's Tennis:  YHC Wins Two Consolation Crowns, Advances To Two Championship Matches at CACC Invitational

Alexander City, Ala. -- Two weeks after taking Alexander City, Ala., by storm at the Intercollegiate Tennis Association's Southeastern Regional, Young Harris College's men's team went back to Alexander City for the Central Alabama Invitational October 9-11.  The return trip was almost impressive as the first.

The Mountain Lions saw Jordan Brannon win the Flight Two Singles Consolation title and Mitchell Midkiff and Koen Gottenbos claim the Flight One Doubles Consolation title, while Laurenz Schraepen advanced to the final match of the Flight One Championship bracket and the doubles team of Jordan Johnson and Matt Howard played for the Flight Two doubles championship.

http://www.yhc.edu/athletics/men's-tennis/men's-tennis-cacc-invitational-results.aspx


Looks like this is where Koen is at?????????????????

Georgia, Georgia
The whole day through (the whole day through)
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Georgia on my mind (Georgia on my mind)
I said a Georgia, Georgia


Georgia's been on my mind......

[Kermit]

WHAT THEY DID WITH NATALEE

According to Carlos,[Cumpa] while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.
)VANITY FAIR ARTICLE)

Paulus took Joran to the Polis station after he picked him up from school.
Well, he didn't go to the Noord Polis station that he went to when Beth arrived at their home the first time. Instead he went to the Bulbai.
WHY go there when the Noord polis station is closer and he was there the night before?

Just so happend the Bulbai Polis station is next to the Wyndham Hotel.
There is some golf range on the other side.





The Bubali Bird Sanctuary lies only ~5km north of Oranjestad on the west coast of Aruba. Highway 1 runs along the sanctuary`s east side, a windmill (actually shipped from Holland) is on the north side, and the massive Wyndham Aruba is across the street from the northwest corner. There are several spots to check at Bubali. Going N from Oranjestad, you`ll encounter a roundabout, with the right hand (eastward) road marked to Paradera. Continue straight (north) to the first light. Turn left here, and a small sewage pond (Yes!) will be quickly visible on your right.
http://www.fatbirder.com/links_geo/america_central/dutch_antilles.html


At approximately 17.00 pm,I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club.
KEEP IN MIND THE RACQUET CLUB IS THAT CLOSE TO THIS AREA.See the hotels
in the background of the tennis court.



You could easily lose a shoe in the mud around the area.

LOOK at the hotels in the background of this picture which is the playground by the Racquet Club

 "The lily pads were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area mus more tedious." (Dave Holloway book)

WE BELIEVE AFTER JORAN WAS DROPPED OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB - BETWEEN SIX AND SEVEN PM THAT JORAN WENT TO THE BIRD SANCTUARY WITH THE BAG, WEIGHTED IT DOWN, AND PUT THE BAG THAT HAD ANY EVIDENCE IN IT IN THE SANCTUARY, AND THEN HAD TO BE BACK TO THE RACQUET CLUB BY SEVEN. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF TWO FACTORS:

1) JORAN TOOK A BAG TO THE RACQUET CLUB AND TALKED WITH KOEN, PAULUS STATES HE BROUGHT JORAN'S BAG TO HIM AT 8 PM. HOW CAN THAT BE IF JORAN ALREADY HAD HIS BAG WITH HIM? BECAUSE HE USED ONE BAG TO TAKE THE EVIDENCE TO THE BIRD SANCUTARY WHILE CALLING PAULUS AT 7 PM AND THEN PAULUS ARRIVES AND DELIVERS THE 2ND BAG WHICH JORAN JUST HAPPENS TO LEAVE BEHIND THE BAR AT THE RACQUET CLUB WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE IT IS HIS BAG RATHER THEN PUT IT INSIDE HIS LOCKER

.2) JORAN TALKED TO DEEPAK ON THE PHONE AND WHEN DEEPAK CALLS HE TELLS HIM HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM TO COVER IF ANYONE HAS SEEN HIM IN THAT AREA - KNOWING THAT THE CELL PHONE CALL CAN BE TRACED.

THE BIRD SANCTUARY IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE WYNDHAM HOTEL... he then left the racquet club and they took the boat out to dispose of  Natalee in it



On that same trip (September), my father-in-law, Melvin Parten, accompanied me at 5:30 a.m. to the island bird sanctuary. This was where it had been reported that the cadaver dogs had some hits, but it was unclear whether it had been thoroughly searched. It is 20 acres of waist high stagnant water with lily pads, which we walked through for over three hours looking for clues about Natalie. We did not realize that the water would be so deep and that the roots of the lily pads would obstruct our efforts to cross or search the water. Not only would the lily pads obstruct our search, but we also realized that they were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area much more tedious. Climbing up the bank on the grass was very difficult. Our attempts to go through the grass were almost impossible, and we felt that if someone were carrying 105 pounds, they could not have gone very far. We waded around for over three hours until the fatigue and heat set in. We knew we needed more help to clear this area. I remember hearing that Joran has lost his sneakers near McDonald's, which is right next door to the
sanctuary. I almost lost my own shoes walking through the mud, so I believe that Joran's sneakers may be in there.
When my father-in-law and I were finished searching, the stench on us was so bad that we had to take the floor mats from the car to put them on the seats to sit on. We drove straight to the ocean and jumped in to clean the sewage off before going back to wash our clothes. We had to wash them them twice to get the smell out. (Dave Holloway page 57 -- )


When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open. Joran approac h ed the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .


6:00 DEEPAK SAYS HE CALLS JORAN AND JORAN SAYS HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM WITH GUIDO
-this is the same time Joran said he was playing tennis, which he has admitted he wasn' t doing

why did he need to include this, that says he was somewhere in that area?

[Kermit]

It's Sunday! Peter deVries show today.
 

[texasmom]

It's Sunday! Peter deVries show today.
 

  

[billb's daughter]

Thanks for setting the stage Kermit...
Bring it on Peter.....
urine/paulasa/k2/guido are sooo guilty....
Please prove it Peter.....

[billb's daughter]

Like to see Peter address the cover up crew too....
At the end of the day...there isn't anything decent that can be said about the island inhabitants...

[billb's daughter]

Some evidence had to be in the landfill early on...Dave/friends and Red weren't there for nothing...the way they were stonewalled by aruba ale and then having everything covered up when they got close...just doesn't add up...

[crazybabyborg]

Kermit? I'm so sorry! I stopped by and saw you in your Halloween outfit and took off to get your Christmas avi. I'm back and see you've already changed. I wouldn't leave you out for anything! I'll leave it for you, just in case you want it!  Merry Christmas, Kermie!   


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[billb's daughter]

North Georgia 7, Young Harris 2
Sept. 29, 2009 at Dahlonega, GA (NGCSU Tennis Complex)
Singles competition 
1. Luciano Paes Neto (NGCSU) def. Laurenz Schraepen (YH) 0-6, 6-3, 7-6 (11-9) 
2. Daniel Aguilon (NGCSU) def. Jordan Johnson (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
3. Adrien Saulais (NGCSU) def. Mitchell Midkiff (YH) 6-3, 6-1 
4. Brandon Sloan (NGCSU) def. Jamie Childree (YH) 7-6 (10-8), 6-4 
5. Parker LaSure (NGCSU) def. Koen Gottenbos (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
6. Matt Howard (YH) def. Adam Kersh (NGCSU) 7-5, 6-4 


http://www.saintssports.com/sports/mten/2009-10/news/yh1001

Men's Tennis:  YHC Wins Two Consolation Crowns, Advances To Two Championship Matches at CACC Invitational

Alexander City, Ala. -- Two weeks after taking Alexander City, Ala., by storm at the Intercollegiate Tennis Association's Southeastern Regional, Young Harris College's men's team went back to Alexander City for the Central Alabama Invitational October 9-11.  The return trip was almost impressive as the first.

The Mountain Lions saw Jordan Brannon win the Flight Two Singles Consolation title and Mitchell Midkiff and Koen Gottenbos claim the Flight One Doubles Consolation title, while Laurenz Schraepen advanced to the final match of the Flight One Championship bracket and the doubles team of Jordan Johnson and Matt Howard played for the Flight Two doubles championship.

http://www.yhc.edu/athletics/men's-tennis/men's-tennis-cacc-invitational-results.aspx


Looks like this is where Koen is at?????????????????

Georgia, Georgia
The whole day through (the whole day through)
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Georgia on my mind (Georgia on my mind)
I said a Georgia, Georgia


Georgia's been on my mind......

I'm hoping Georgia is on the FBI's mind also....

[billb's daughter]

guido and koen left the island like a ghost was chasing them...there were involved big time in the disposal...at least...
I still don't rule out a gang rape led by urine..and possibly paulass and his peers....
still not convinced that paulass wasn't the ringleader....

[wreck]

Just catching up ------- but, I am just right along Kermit. It is just so right there. 

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[Bearlyhere]

Does anybody know if Aruba uses a Zamboni type sand sweeper to clean the beach at night?

I remember years ago seeing what the sweepers look like.  I'm looking to see if I can find it again.  In the mean time found my own image googling Aruba sand sweepers, lol 

What an interesting vacuum.

 

[Bearlyhere]

Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told). 

Is that what you are wreck?

Halloween Eve 

I notice the resemblance!

 

(I don't think this is my "good" side)

   

[texasmom]

Google translation:

Peter R. de Vries, Crime Reporter
Unique images of the police interrogation of Joran

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/-28Q2BXNvWQ&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/-28Q2BXNvWQ&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

[Kermit]

It's Sunday! Peter deVries show today.
 

  

texasmom

This interrogation Peter de Vries is airing. Do you know if it is the one when Hans Mos had him re-arrested and brought back to Aruba? Because I noticed Joran is wearing a hat and jacket which indicates it's cold. As I recall in 2005, his arrest and interrogations the weather was very hot.

[texasmom]

12/9/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/



Papiamentu translation:

because; cu his cliente owing to stay condena once more advocate mr. edwin duijneveld owing to cuestiona imparcialidad of ministerio publico y is achieve cu have husticia of clase at aruba

in name of his cliente sr. chris williams, we owing to achieve one declaracion enough pisa of part of advocate mr. edwin duijneveld, that even owing to cuestiona imparcialidad of ministerio publico. t’asina cu yesterday once more owing to wordo comproba cu not have husticia at we island. despite cu have declaracionan cu not chris williams, but one another person owing to throw day 6 of july 2006 at eagle beach, despite cu not have none proof clave cu chris williams owing to throw corte superior owing to confirma the sentencia of corte of first instancia y is condena williams for 3 year y 6 month, según advocate mr. edwin duijneveld.

chris williams is mantene cu the is inocente y cu one another person owing to throw. p’e motibo ey the is bay in cassatie.

all the investigacion cu owing to wordo haci or mihor tell not haci is one berguensa for we sistema hudicial y is confirma once more cu have klasse justitie keto bay at aruba y cu we organonan hudicial is much putrefy.

in the caso here agentenan policial is haci declaracionan false, is falsifica declaracionnan, but ministerio publico is close eye y is try of place all cos in doofpot.

till today not did take none medida contra this y is good ask about ministerio publico till what day they're bay permiti this. p’e motibo here his cliente will cuminsa entrega kehonan at corte superior for exigi persecusion hudicial as have to is.

because; advocate, mr. edwin duijneveld is tell cu the is compronde his cliente 100%, we all is corda con the agent policial the.v.a. maduro owing to wordo persigi by of ministerio publico cu is in hand of politica, but at end husticia owing to conquer y the is wordo declara pound by of corte superior.

aworaki have the conocido wakata more cu 3 month inocentemente close, because agentenan policial owing to work proces-verbal of testigonan cu now is leave at cla cu they not owing to declara this, según advocate mr. edwin duijneveld. despite of this minisetrio publico is haci todo can todo for achieve proof contra dje, immidiately for they tapa one damage more. (nota of red: diabierne now the caso of wakata is come in corte penal, but pro-forma).

in demasiado caso during interogacionan by of huez comisario is leave at cla cu the proces-verbalnan of police do not cuadra cu locual owing to wordo declara.

till what day ministerio publico is sigi tapa y acepta cosnan so. in casonan cu if have to actua for one or another motibo do not happen nothing. a of douane is wordo agredi at aeropuerto, because the is haci his trabao, but till today none accion is wordo take by of ministerio publico contra the person cu owing to haci’e so kitando the feel of is protehi in they trabao of douane. one madam is wordo ataca/agredi more cu 6 trip by of his ex-casa, but till today none accion of ministerio publico. can is hour the madam is die they will haci caso of dje. chris williams is bay in cassatie y probably hour the result tey, past owing to leave end, but the will sigi fight for achieve husticia.

“ami will sigi stop near of dje, cu the dolor cu my know the is inocente, because esun cu owing to throw owing to confesa this at my person y 2 advocate more, but because we is mara at reglanan of we trabao we not can declara”, was words of advocate mr. edwin duijneveld, cu as we can see, owing to cuestiona ministerio publico seriamente.

ministerio publico

relaciona cu the declaracion recibi here, we of awemainta did take contacto cu ministerio publico, but the reaccion cu we owing to achieve is, cu can will soon will not reacciona on declaracionnan of advocate mr. edwin duijneveld y is lagu’e for his responsabilidad.


12/9/2009 Bondia Page 4

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2




12/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/



Papiamentu translation:

in they declaracion tocante freedom of wakata ministerio publico is sigi troce berdad y place the cara of husticia at aruba at berguensa according advocate mr. edwin duijneveld

because; advocate of edsel “wakata” ras, edwin duijneveld is tell of did take notice of the comunicado of prensa of the ministerio publico tocante the decision of huez for let his cliente in freedom for miss of sufficient proof contra his person.

the is incredibel con the organo cu supuestamente have to is imparcial y busca berdad is try of hustifica trabaonan regrettable y manipulacionnan of near of the team of investigacion cu they, om, is lidera.

in they declaracion without none hustificacion they're let know cu wakata t’esun cu owing to throw. is good cu have hueznan cu if know kico is husticia y cu is stop the hendenan here. is tristo cu husticia is in hand of hendenan cu is think cu they're husticia y they can haci y deshaci con they're haci good, advocate edwin duijneveld is follow tell in one comunicado.

berdad is cu anteriormente hof owing to rechasa the demanda for let wakata in freedom. but pakico? esey for motibo cu had one declaracion of one witness cu police owing to place on paper. as the declaracion not was company by of the witness, we owing to ask for listen the witness bao of huramento fast huez-comisario. ey owing to leave at cla cu the witness not owing to declara locual police owing to place on paper come across!!! (pa of tanto biaha).

in the declarcion of police is poni cu wakata was near of the victima, but the witness is declara bao huramento cu never past owing to tell esey. in the declaracion of police is poni cu had none another person in becindario.

bao huramento, the witness is tell had various person in becendario of the incidente. now om is tell cu testigonan is change they declaracion p’asina tapa locual recherche owing to haci.

witness not owing to change none declaracion, past owing to give his declaracion bao huramento cla y raspa. neither fiscal can owing to splica huez dicon neither the version of the book of the recherche owing to klop cu the version cu the self one police owing to place on paper y firm’e because; declaracion of the witness.

the investigacion of restonan of tiramento also owing to leave negative, kiermen not had none indicacion cu wakata owing to throw on his pañanan. the investigacion here owing to tarda more cu 4 month y time cu hof owing to look at the detencion this not was conoci still.

según advocate mr. edwin duijneveld, the is increibel con om is try of hustifica they self by of trece one decision of hof fast just basa on manipulacion of the investigacion y so of the hueznan of corte superior.

p’e maniobranan so person innocente is wordo close, because hueznan have cu take decision basa on locual om is present at they y if abogadonan not can desenmascara or place finger on the cosnan here, person inocente is wordo sentencia. esey t’e motibo also cu his cliente chris williams owing to wordo condena. duijneveld not can compronde con they can sleep night.

yesterday also om owing to ask 60 day more of detencion preventivo for sr. cornelius wilson. cornelius wilson owing to coopera completamente.

cornelius wilson owing to mantene his inocencia. not have nothing concreto of his culpablidad niether. one suspicion cu if owing to declara cu past owing to haci some acto castigabel in the caso here (y pesey assure will achieve one castigo despues) if owing to wordo send cas by of om after of 18 day.

sr. cornelius wilson yesterday was 23 day close end. pesey huez cu all his razon owing to schors the detencion of wilson y owing to lag’e bay cas yesterday also.

door is become time for we minister of husticia new, drs. mr. arthur dowers is cuminsa take the medidanan necesario p’e cosnan here is stop of take lugar y is stop the doofpot-beleid of the ultimo añanan. we have to can confia in we sistema hudicial, if not in comunidad the ley of “wowo for eye, tooth for djente” will bay send bek thanks at they, according mr. edwin duijneveld, advocate of the casonan menciona.

conocido advocate criminalista, gerald spong will present chris williams in corte of casacion

for of some day end, office of advocate duijneveld y mohamed owing to come is negocia cu the conocido advocate criminalista, gerald spong of the netherlands for take the representacion of the caso of chris williams in corte of casacion. as is conoci, corte of first instancia the week here owing to ratifica the sentencia in corte of first, where chris williams owing to stay condena at 3 year y 6 month of jail.

chris williams owing to come is declara c very insistencia cu the is inocente.

advocate mr. gerald spong owing to confirma of will representa chris williams because; advocate in corte of casacion y owing to let know cu the will aserca the griffier of hoge raad for achieve the documentonan necesario.

mr. gerald spong self is believe cu dentro of 4 for 5 month the caso will can have fast in corte of casacion.



http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/05/22/dutch-teenguido-wever-fights-arubas-transfer-request-in-natalee-holloway-case/

http://www.spong.nl/en/mr_g_spong_home_en.html

[Kermit]

Kermit? I'm so sorry! I stopped by and saw you in your Halloween outfit and took off to get your Christmas avi. I'm back and see you've already changed. I wouldn't leave you out for anything! I'll leave it for you, just in case you want it!  Merry Christmas, Kermie!   


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Thank you Cyber baby. 
I didn't want to bother you. I know you are always so busy with your tailoring & designing and I feel bad asking you to do just one more.

I'll go change into my new designer outfit by CBB

[texasmom]

It's Sunday! Peter deVries show today.
 

  

texasmom

This interrogation Peter de Vries is airing. Do you know if it is the one when Hans Mos had him re-arrested and brought back to Aruba? Because I noticed Joran is wearing a hat and jacket which indicates it's cold. As I recall in 2005, his arrest and interrogations the weather was very hot.

Everything I've read indicates that the interrogation video that Peter obtained and will show tonight, took place in February 2008 right after the show where the Patrick/Joran conversations aired.

[Kermit]

guido and koen left the island like a ghost was chasing them...there were involved big time in the disposal...at least...
I still don't rule out a gang rape led by urine..and possibly paulass and his peers....
still not convinced that paulass wasn't the ringleader....

There's a reason Kalpoes said she hit her head - in case she was found and evidence of a skull fracture or blood was found they would try to alibi it away.

There's a reason the LE took the evidence from the cage. So no forensic's could be done on
the skull.