Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10

[texasmom]

This is the guy I was talking about earlier.
For the longest I thought it was Ben King, but in the video (can't find it right now) he was labeled an attorney for Vandersloot iirc.  I think this is the day Joran was released and Richie Kock was at the VDS home (when Anita kicked him).







Seems to like pastel colors too!   

[texasmom]

Probably not the same guy, now that I've looked at them closer together.  JMO

[2NJSons_Mom]

Probably not the same guy, now that I've looked at them closer together.  JMO

Yeah, the 1st guy's nose is wide...2nd = pointy

[texasmom]

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!   

[2NJSons_Mom]

AMEN!

 

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks to the faithful....

[can]

I don't think I ever weighed in on the Sunday DeVries' show. While, I was not overwhelmed (or whelmed at all) -- I DO think it was positive to keep Joran and Aruba on the public's conscious level. I also think it re-enforces that DeVries' is/was NOT on the ALE/Mos payroll. -JMO

I agree.

[can]

AMEN!

 

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks to the faithful....

Thanks to you 2NJ.  Glad you are on the mend.

[jen3560]

Good Morning Monkeys.

Happy Almost Friday!! 

[antunym]

This is the guy I was talking about earlier.
For the longest I thought it was Ben King, but in the video (can't find it right now) he was labeled an attorney for Vandersloot iirc.  I think this is the day Joran was released and Richie Kock was at the VDS home (when Anita kicked him).







Seems to like pastel colors too!   

Hi texasmom
This looks like the same guy in Bastibro's avi

[Bearlyhere]

PART 2


Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007
Reply #563 on: February 08, 2007, 12:08:49 AM bleachedblack
Posted by Debbie at BFN on May 12th 2006;

I have also heard from reliable source that Alexander Gottenbos and PVDS are cousins. Since I do not have a copy of their family tree or birth certificates it will be hard for me to prove, but I do trust who told me.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=818.msg115420#msg115420


DAVE WENT BACK TO ARUBA OCTOBER 2005 BASED UPON A TIP TO SEARCH THE OCEAN - WHO WAS THE LEAK?
 

FOLLOW THE DATES

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
des cription: witness statement



"I left for Aruba again early on October 18, 2005. Tim Miller and his searchers came along, as did Art Wood.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 166)




KOEN IS AT THE RACQUET CLUB WITH JORAN
IN HIS BOOK HE SAYS HE GETS TO THE WYNDHAM AT 6:45,
approximately an hour and 15 minutes difference in time

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
(Source: Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - p. 9)


We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalie and that they either left her at the boat launch or at the lighthouse. From there, they supposedly went to a field
area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move. According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fisherman huts to get a steel cage
to put Natalie into; they then used the boat to carry her about two to 3 miles out into the ocean and dropped her there. The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.
He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill. In preparation for the search, I met with the Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruban Tourism Association, and some political leaders and arranged to get some boats and hotel rooms.
Thankfully, we were able to get people onto flights, and once they arrived we began the process of searching.

Starting from the area in front of the hotel, we plan to search up to 5 miles out into the ocean.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 167-168)


Slowly more evidence was coming to light. We heard more about the cage that was stolen from the fisherman huts. On the night after Natalie disappeared, three out of four fishermans huts on the beach near where she and Joran allegedly went were burglarized. Missing from one of the huts was a knife and a cage used to trap fish. Supposedly the fishermen forgot until much later to report the incident. He finally called it in but was not contacted back. Apparently the cage was made of wire and had an opening at one end were the fish enter and cannot get back out. It was usually weighted and baited and put in the water with a buoy to mark its location. It was big enough to hold the human body,
and the theory is that Natalie was put in there and taken out to sea. In an e-mail I had received, someone discussing the cages stated that a lock was broken, and the net was used to dump Natalie 2 miles offshore.
(Source: Dave Holloway pages 76-77)



August 30 Koen gives a statement (one of 4)


October - Dave goes back to Aruba to search the ocean based on a tip he received in an email.

subajap - begins posting lies that Natalee ran off with Blue-eyed Dutch boy, Lions Den is baloney, etc. etc.

Dompig tells Dave and Tim to search in ocean off the lighthouse area!
NOT WHERE WE KNOW THAT NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN IN OUR FACES OF EVIL DOCUMENT.

Now that is known that Dave has received this information from
Koens interview on the 30th, Koen's father does not let him be interviewed again after that..........

They sell the boat, they sell their house, and they leave the island and move to GA. Sander enrolls in school. I know from having an old photo of Sander that I spent a lot of time trying to figure out the background of that photo and it seemed like it was in the U.S. by the houses and cars and not in Aruba. That told me that the family either had lived in the U.S. at one time or vacationed in the U.S. and/or had family here. It makes sense that they left Aruba and came to the U.S.

Dave left Aruba with Tim Miller having not searched the right area and with a lot of opposition from Dompig who would not allow FBI to come in and search.


in his book Joran seems to forget
the places he stopped to occupy that time
that he needed an excuse for his being out in the boat

Kermit, I am interested in your opinion on what was in the "evidence" bag.  Thanks.

 

[antunym]

PART 2


Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007
Reply #563 on: February 08, 2007, 12:08:49 AM bleachedblack
Posted by Debbie at BFN on May 12th 2006;

I have also heard from reliable source that Alexander Gottenbos and PVDS are cousins. Since I do not have a copy of their family tree or birth certificates it will be hard for me to prove, but I do trust who told me.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=818.msg115420#msg115420


DAVE WENT BACK TO ARUBA OCTOBER 2005 BASED UPON A TIP TO SEARCH THE OCEAN - WHO WAS THE LEAK?
 

FOLLOW THE DATES

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
des cription: witness statement



"I left for Aruba again early on October 18, 2005. Tim Miller and his searchers came along, as did Art Wood.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 166)




KOEN IS AT THE RACQUET CLUB WITH JORAN
IN HIS BOOK HE SAYS HE GETS TO THE WYNDHAM AT 6:45,
approximately an hour and 15 minutes difference in time

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
(Source: Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - p. 9)


We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalie and that they either left her at the boat launch or at the lighthouse. From there, they supposedly went to a field
area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move. According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fisherman huts to get a steel cage
to put Natalie into; they then used the boat to carry her about two to 3 miles out into the ocean and dropped her there. The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.
He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill. In preparation for the search, I met with the Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruban Tourism Association, and some political leaders and arranged to get some boats and hotel rooms.
Thankfully, we were able to get people onto flights, and once they arrived we began the process of searching.

Starting from the area in front of the hotel, we plan to search up to 5 miles out into the ocean.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 167-168)


Slowly more evidence was coming to light. We heard more about the cage that was stolen from the fisherman huts. On the night after Natalie disappeared, three out of four fishermans huts on the beach near where she and Joran allegedly went were burglarized. Missing from one of the huts was a knife and a cage used to trap fish. Supposedly the fishermen forgot until much later to report the incident. He finally called it in but was not contacted back. Apparently the cage was made of wire and had an opening at one end were the fish enter and cannot get back out. It was usually weighted and baited and put in the water with a buoy to mark its location. It was big enough to hold the human body,
and the theory is that Natalie was put in there and taken out to sea. In an e-mail I had received, someone discussing the cages stated that a lock was broken, and the net was used to dump Natalie 2 miles offshore.
(Source: Dave Holloway pages 76-77)



August 30 Koen gives a statement (one of 4)


October - Dave goes back to Aruba to search the ocean based on a tip he received in an email.

subajap - begins posting lies that Natalee ran off with Blue-eyed Dutch boy, Lions Den is baloney, etc. etc.

Dompig tells Dave and Tim to search in ocean off the lighthouse area!
NOT WHERE WE KNOW THAT NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN IN OUR FACES OF EVIL DOCUMENT.

Now that is known that Dave has received this information from
Koens interview on the 30th, Koen's father does not let him be interviewed again after that..........

They sell the boat, they sell their house, and they leave the island and move to GA. Sander enrolls in school. I know from having an old photo of Sander that I spent a lot of time trying to figure out the background of that photo and it seemed like it was in the U.S. by the houses and cars and not in Aruba. That told me that the family either had lived in the U.S. at one time or vacationed in the U.S. and/or had family here. It makes sense that they left Aruba and came to the U.S.

Dave left Aruba with Tim Miller having not searched the right area and with a lot of opposition from Dompig who would not allow FBI to come in and search.


in his book Joran seems to forget
the places he stopped to occupy that time
that he needed an excuse for his being out in the boat

Kermit, I am interested in your opinion on what was in the "evidence" bag.  Thanks.

 

It is very well assumed that the gottenboes were involved in or knew about the diposal..... and with the tip Dave got shouldn't he have known pretty specifically where the cage containing the remains was located?

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

Interval International Welcomes First Whole Ownership Resort Community in Aruba

 Companies:Interval Leisure Group, Inc.
Press Release Source: Interval International On Thursday December 17, 2009, 3:09 pm EST
MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Interval International, a leading global provider of vacation services and an operating segment of Interval Leisure Group (Nasdaq:IILG - News), today announced the addition of Gold Coast Aruba, to its vacation exchange network. The master-planned resort community will feature 270 whole ownership villas and townhouses in the island's Malmok area. It is the only development of its kind in Aruba that offers purchasers Interval’s upgraded membership program, Interval Gold®.

“Gold Coast Aruba will be selling its whole ownership product to an upscale clientele and we’re glad to be able to support them with our enhanced membership benefit product, which is specifically tailored to an affluent consumer,” said David Gilbert, executive vice president of resort sales and marketing for Interval International.

The resort community is located on 26 acres just a few minutes away from the scenic northwest coastline, and its architecture and interior design reflect a Mediterranean style with a contemporary Caribbean touch. It includes two- and three-bedroom townhomes and three-bedroom villas with well-appointed, spacious living and dining areas, state-of-the-art kitchens and bathrooms, large balconies, and secluded patios. The two-story townhomes range in size from approximately 900 to 1,600 square feet, while the villas have around 1,800 to 3,200 square feet of space.

“Gold Coast Aruba is situated in a very desirable area and features quality accommodations as well as a wide array of amenities that one would expect to find at a luxury resort,” said Fito Croes, director of sales and marketing for the property. “All owners will gain access to Interval’s valuable membership benefits, and those who participate in the rental program also will have the ability to trade their time for a comparable vacation experience at one of hundreds of quality resorts worldwide.”

Scheduled for completion in 2010 and 2011 is an amenity complex anchored by a multi-million-dollar clubhouse with a full-service spa, water feature, and infinity pool; a state-of-the-art fitness center; and two lighted tennis courts. The Tierra del Sol championship golf course, designed by Robert Trent Jones II, is conveniently located across from the property.

Membership in Interval Gold® further reinforces the value of ownership by giving new purchasers the opportunity to exchange their accommodations for those at other resorts in Interval’s worldwide network, as well as the ability to relinquish their resort weeks toward the purchase of cruise, golf, and spa vacations. They also enjoy an extensive menu of benefits, including discounts on resort Getaways, ShortStay ExchangeSM, access to a personal concierge service available 24 hours a day via phone and e-mail, complimentary Hertz #1 Gold® membership, and worldwide hotel and dining discounts.

Interval International operates membership programs for vacation owners and provides value-added services to its developer clients worldwide. Based in Miami, Florida, the company has been a pioneer and innovator in serving the vacation ownership market for more than 33 years. Today, Interval has a network of approximately 2,500 resorts in more than 75 countries and offers its resort clients and about 2 million member families high-quality products and programs through offices in 26 cities in 16 countries. Interval is an operating segment of Interval Leisure Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: IILG - News), a leading global provider of membership and leisure services to the vacation industry.



Contact:
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Interval-International-bw-2362958199.html?x=0&.v=1

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66497.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

The Aruban Resort bankrupt

December 17, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban Resort The hotel is declared bankrupt. The bankruptcy was around half past ten this morning morning officially by the judge. The hotel was originally scheduled for Friday the time to financing packages. The owners were yesterday however, know "that it would not succeed". 76 employees of the hotel had started proceedings in the bankruptcy of the hotel required, if not their salaries came over the bridge.

The judge then decides that The Aruban 48 hours at the time would get the money needed to get together. The hotel has a long time in financial trouble, this was not done. This allowed the owners of the hotel yesterday to their lawyer Anthony Ruiz know. What exactly do the staff is still unclear. According to Gomez they are today working at the hotel, although they have not received three salaries. "It is now in the hands of the curators," says Gomez. There are now two curators appointed Ari Swaen and Winfried Croes. There were two companies expressing interest to the hotel to take over, but here is further negotiated by the union president said Rudy Geerman FTA. It would be a local and a foreign investor.

[WhiskeyGirl]

The buticam is empty on many days -

http://www.bucuticam.com/

[texasmom]

Valentijn's latest...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

[WhiskeyGirl]

A few other websites with cams -

http://www.radisson.com/arubawebcam

http://www.arubawebcams.tv/

Is this the low season for the island?

[wreck]

Valentijn's latest...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ..................................that was lame.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Valentijn's latest...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ..................................that was lame.

Did he suffer from bad dreams?  PTS?

[wreck]

Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)

[wreck]

Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)

Actually, the more I digest this ...... the more intrigued I am!!