Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[Anna]

Remember poster Friend of Monkeys?  She was a personal friend of Mickey Johns.  I always got a kick out of her posts.  She did ask him a few questions for us from time to time.

[billb's daughter]

Sending blessings out to HotPing,BlueMoon,LifeSong,Robots,BillB...

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


 

Back at you Keepthefaith....

[billb's daughter]

Now,why would someone fromAruba be interested in Mickey John,and or his statements???

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Keepthefaith ... Great Catch!

If Mickey John's official statement is revealed ... all H--- will break loose.

According to Deepak Kalpoe's own words to Mickey John while their detainment overlapped ... the Holiday Inn account was fabricated prior to Beth and Jug's arrival at the van der Sloots residence at 3:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.  It appears that Deepak and Paulus were both participants in that fabrication at some period of time on Monday immediately following the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway..

Deepak holds all the Aces that are preventing the Aruban house of cards from collapsing.  He is in a position to implicate Paulus van der Sloot.

Is assuring the brothers' silence ... the brothers' cooperation ... the reason that the Range Rover recordings exonerated the brothers from implication in the events encompassing Natalee Holloway's demise and disappearance.  In other words ... a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Peter Devries may be a believer in John van der Sloots own words in the Range Rover recording in regards to the non-involvement of the Kalpoes in the happenings encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway but ... negating the archives ... changing history ... is not where it is at for me.

Think about it.  There is the gardener's court statement ... there are Steve Cohen's media statements ... there are Dompig's statements in the talkshow circuit ... there are the suspicions by the prosecutors that warranted their arrests and rearrests ... 

Janet

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MICKEY JOHN

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005

MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him (Deepak).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


PETER DEVRIES

Newsweek - February 8, 2008

Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all. On the tapes Joran calls them stupid. I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3

Nice to see you Janet.....
Tic Toc......Justice is coming.....

[billb's daughter]

A REMINDER


NO ARUBAN JUSTICE BUT A MEASURE OF CLOSURE
 
THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
TLC – 2010-01-17

BETH HOLLOWAY:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can't.  I can't get justice for Natalee".

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293


LOVING NATALEE - BETH HOLLOWAY

Page 189:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead.  From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 197:  There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee.  When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling:  "The threat is bigger than the money," he says.  The Threat.  That dark influence.  The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.
 
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1.  In all probability Justice for Natalee Holloway will never be forthcoming but maybe ... just maybe ... the threatened exposure of the Persistence ROV footage along with Kyle Kingman's own words which reveals a John Silvetti betrayal implies that pressure could be put on Aruba/Holland by Beth Holloway and/or the FBI to release the contents of the trap recovered by Aruban divers and ... afford those who love Natalee a measure of closure knowing she is home and is resting on American soil.
 
AN ANGUISHED MOTHER
 
"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She  deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/
 
AN ANGUISHED STEPFATHER
 
"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824
 
 
2.  Natalee Holloway's uncle had concerns regarding the outcome of the Persistence endeavor when he considered the involvement of the enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for his niece since the getgo.
 
SURELY I AM WRONG

"I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong."

IRRESPONSIBLE INVESTIGATING

"But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history."

DEFENDING THE WORK OF THE ARUBANS

"I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.  And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you."

THE GAME WAS FIXED

"If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed."

A LARGE CRAB

"They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab."


3.  When Kyle Kingman's own words were revealed ... the concerns of Natalee Holloway's uncle regarding the outcome of the Persistence endeavor were realized.  On December 30, 2007 only Aruban divers in a visual dive deemed the contents of the trap not case related and  ... on January 7, 2008 only Aruban divers were involved in the recovery process in regards to the contents of the traps.
 
THE VISUAL DIVE - DECEMBER 30, 2007
 
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
Kyle Kingman:  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.
 
Kyle Kingman:  By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive.  What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up
 
Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.
 
Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.
 
Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.
 
Kyle Kingman:  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he (Tim Miller) was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

THE RECOVERY DIVE - JANUARY 7, 2008

Kyle Kingsman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle Kingman:  Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.


4.  The qualified ROV operator/analyst on board the Persistence determined from his investigation of two separate ROV footages that Natalee Holloway's remains ... in all probability ... were contained within the trap.
 
ROV IMAGES - DECEMBER 29, 2007

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment ...

ROV IMAGES - JANUARY 7, 2008
 
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.


5.  If justice for an 18 year old American citizen, closure for her family and accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily supported the Persistence endeavor were John Silvetti's objectives ... he had a moral obligation to ensure that there was an Aruban invitation secured that would have afforded an FBI presence on board the ship.  It makes sense that this invitation should have been secured prior to the Persistence entering Aruban water.

FBI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:   The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


6.  It does not make sense that collaborating with the Aruban/Dutch enemy who from the getgo ... was a participant working behind the scenes furthering the Aruban cover-up agenda ... the Aruban cover-up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  It is not rocket science   A positive outcome from the Persistence undertaking in regards to justice and closure never stood a chance.
 
DOLF RICHARDSON

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   Richardson was very quick to dismiss the trap as case-relevant. Richardson was insisting that we keep looking FAR out to sea in very deep water.  He was the one briefing the ALE divers on how to handle the site.  He was the one who handled all the evidence that came out of the water.  He was the one who admits to personally sending the fabric sample to the FBI for testing.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both

Kyle Kingman:   The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.  I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle Kingman:  Remember it was Richardson who said to us that he personally handled the evidence and sent it immediately to our FBI.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman: I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling ....


7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... it Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:  My intentions here at this forum weren't to just spew out all that I know. My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out.

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:  Since I got the go ahead from Tim, we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.

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The preceding document was compiled by "Tamikosmom" using posts submitted to the Scared Monkey website by "Private Eye", "Kermit", "Jen" and "oceanexploration"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/

7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... it Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?
Thanks for posting this Janet....
I sincerely hope this question gets answered in due course......
payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....

[Anna]

I must be on the wrong thread again.

Good night, all.

[Nut44x4]

[jen3560]

Ah.  Waldron and Pesquera together again?  You scratch my back, and..........

ACT REJOINS FCCA PLATINUM MEMBERSHIP
 Cruise News     January 21st, 2010
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Following a positive meeting with the Florida - Caribbean Cruise Association (FCCA) in December in Miami,
the new Director of Aruba Cruise Tourism, Ms. Tamara Waldron, has renewed its membership in its
Platinum Associate Membership Program.

In addition to program benefits, the marketing plan will partner Aruba with the FCCA in an all-inclusive
sponsorship/advertising/promotion for 2010 building Aruba’s brand and image.

Among the many benefits are:

• Complimentary registration for the FCCA Gala Dinner and Conference & Trade Show.
• A seat on the Platinum Associate Membership Advisory Council.
• Listing/Profile in Membership Directory utilized by all FCCA Member Cruise Lines.
• Access to up-to-date research and statistical studies.
• Use of FCCA logo on printed materials.
 
http://www.aruba.com/news/cruise-news/act-rejoins-fcca-platinum-membership/

[jen3560]

Mr. Boyle joined Cal Dive International, Inc. as Vice President of International Accounting and Supply Chain Management, with the acquisition of Horizon Offshore Inc, in December 2007. Prior to that Mr. Boyle served in various senior management positions, overseas and domestic, with companies in the oil and gas and related service industries including Prime Energy Offshore Inc. (formerly FW Oil), Odyssea Marine Inc., Mc Dermott International Inc., Offshore Pipelines Inc, Professional Geophysics, Inc (formerly Seis Pros Inc), Fairfield Industries and Geosource Inc. Mr. Boyle studied accountancy at Ealing Polytechnic and The College of West London in England and successfully completed the examinations, level 1 through 3, of The Association of Certified and Corporate Accountants of England and Wales (A.C.C.A.).

http://www.caldive.com/Home/BoardofDirectiors/CharlieBoyle/tabid/130/Default.aspx

Dunno if any of this factors in or not - but I recently became aware of a mass lay-off CalDive just had.  So someone may have been checking references?

[jen3560]

Beth Holloway:  "You know there was a cover up.  You know it."

Jorge Pesquera:  "Yes.  Yes there was."

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67972.php

Google translation:

Enhanced cooperation Aruba and Curaçao cruise tourism

January 26, 2010, 12:59 (GMT -04:00)

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On October 22 Carnival will be back after more than four years to build this ship Miracle. On March 31 next year is the last call of the cruise boat that can accommodate 2124 passengers and 934 crew has.


ORANGE CITY - Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) of Tourism, Labor and Transportation would work with the Antillean Minister David Dick (PAR) of Tourism for more Carnival Cruises to sail to the islands.

Oduber was last week for a working visit to Curaçao, along with Alfonso Boekhoudt, director of Aruba Ports Authority (APA). As she spoke with Dick and Agustin Diaz, director of the Curacao Ports Authority (CPA). The meeting was initiated by the Aruban Minister and several matters were raised. The main topic of conversation, however, was the return of Carnival Cruise Lines to Aruba and Curacao. The American cruise company announced earlier this month that its ship Carnival Miracle in the period from October 2010 to March 2011 eleven will moor on the two islands. Initially, the ship moored sixteen times, was known as Deep South delegation, comprising representatives of Aruba and Curacao port authorities, in July last year to hear. This number was finally possible for logistical reasons. Aruba Ports Authority is currently in negotiations with Carnival to Aruba almost the whole year into the itinerary of the cruise ship Carnival Miracle, a so-called "year-round calls' appointment. This would be an additional supply of 120 to 140 duizend cruise tourists to the island can do. Carnival Cruise Lines has so far not expressed negative about the possibility of 'year round calls "to Aruba and Curacao.

Carnival decided to Aruba in May 2006 from the travel program to remove due to high fuel costs. The ABC Islands are the southernmost islands of the cruise calling. Moreover, the company after five years the route refresh. Although the cruise in the world again because of high fuel prices are not going well, says Carnival yet again the deep south of the Caribbean would inflict. Even despite the economic crisis.

The company has already removed its cruises to Europe and wants all 22 ships in the Caribbean deployment. The eight-day itinerary of the luxury cruise ship Carnival Miracle begins and ends in Ford Lauderdale and goes to Gran Turk, Dominican Republic (La Romana), Aruba and Curacao.
 

[texasmom]

 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67967.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Pedophile caught in Savaneta

January 26, 2010, 12:55 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - Agents of the bureau in San Nicolas had to tear out the last Sunday of Savaneta water tank, where a man with not very fresh intentions would have brought a young girl. On arrival officers found the 51-year-old policeman MGC to, and knocked in drunken state, accompanied by a young girl. The child gave a lift from the man she knew not to do so. Once they got in the car C. told her that he would be taking to the water tank to have sex. However, the car came up in a red and ended up hitting the man seriously injured enough to go straight to the police to be charged.

As for the girl, the Youth and Vice enabled. When later, however, that they could not do much with her was MGC been released.

[Buckeye]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67967.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Pedophile caught in Savaneta

January 26, 2010, 12:55 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - Agents of the bureau in San Nicolas had to tear out the last Sunday of Savaneta water tank, where a man with not very fresh intentions would have brought a young girl. On arrival officers found the 51-year-old policeman MGC to, and knocked in drunken state, accompanied by a young girl. The child gave a lift from the man she knew not to do so. Once they got in the car C. told her that he would be taking to the water tank to have sex. However, the car came up in a red and ended up hitting the man seriously injured enough to go straight to the police to be charged.

As for the girl, the Youth and Vice enabled. When later, however, that they could not do much with her was MGC been released.

Of course they had to let the policeman go.  The girl got in his car....what could he possibly do about it....I'm sure she was a "goody two shoes" and just a "slut".  Too bad the hanging group doesn't put the hand in the pocket for this sort of thing....maybe both hands.  Might clean up the rotten island.  Sheesh

[Nut44x4]

http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/2010/01/26/another-tourist-murdered-in-antigua.htm

Another Tourist Murdered in Antigua
Tuesday January 26, 2010
A 29-year-old cruise-ship passenger has been found murdered near one of Antigua's most popular beaches, the third high profile tourist slaying in Antigua in the past two years.

more at link

Another example of a tropical paradise that isn't afraid to tell the truth!

[Tamikosmom]

7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Thanks for posting this Janet....

I sincerely hope this question gets answered in due course......

payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....

Hi billb

You could be right but ... I did not find any indication of a payoff in my reading of Kyle Kingman’s Own Words.  On the other hand ... there are indications that Kyle feared a lawsuit being filed in regards to the breaking of a confidentiality agreement and … this young man does imply that future career opportunities were at risk.

Unless otherwise indicated … I will continue to give Kyle the benefit of the doubt that his motivation to backtrack was damage control in regards to the grim reality concerning the financial security of his family.  Was Kyle right?  No way!  His flip flopping in his original determination to expose what troubled him in regards to the happenings on board the Persistence … happenings encompassing the trap … was an ultimate betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

When all is said and done … while not condoning ...  I can … to some degree … understand Kyle’s motivation but … it is always right to do right and … let the outcome play out.  Maybe ... it is not too late.

Janet

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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »

Kyle sent me this today.

Kermit,

… The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee …

Sincerely,

Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191

[Tibrogargan]

It seems to me Kyle Kingman must pay a dollar every time his name appears in print.  Maybe two dollars when it appears here at SM.

[Mere]

It seems to me Kyle Kingman must pay a dollar every time his name appears in print.  Maybe two dollars when it appears here at SM.

A quick and unofficial count, on this page only = 68

[Magnolia]

It seems to me Kyle Kingman must pay a dollar every time his name appears in print.  Maybe two dollars when it appears here at SM.

A quick and unofficial count, on this page only = 68

 

[Magnolia]

Wow!  It is nice to be home.

It seems to be much faster getting here.  Thanks to all!

[texasmom]

Wow!  It is nice to be home.

It seems to be much faster getting here.  Thanks to all!

   Yes, it was much faster! 

Thanks to all who worked on the problem!