Lively Case Discussion #562 12/18 - 12/20/2006

[Anna]

I beg to differ, 8 and 1/2 minutes is a saga by amateur standards.

A veritable miniseries.


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[the big hammer]

Too Short?

Carnut writes:  Even amateur isn't gonna be much in a 8 1/2 min cell transmission. Not even a good youtube video.

Depends.  That's a marketing issue.  There's a [rice for "x" and a price for "y".

On the porn sits mentioned, porn trailers are 30 seconds to 1 minute.

Completely depends.

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[Anna]

Carnut,
No one is suggesting they made a movie with a plot, dialog, cast of characters and credits at the end.

Some of those things are 45 seconds taken with cell phones and just replayed in a loop indefinitely.

They are highly crude and of poor photographic quality and without sound, etc.  Just a moving dirty picture.

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[robots]

8 1/2 minutes is a long time

the average 1/2 hour sitcom is around 18 minutes after you take out the commercials  

[LilPuma]

I'm still pretty sure that JVDS isn't going to a real college.

Don't know what he's doing, just have my doubts there's any official continuing education going on.

Is he in a secret private sanitorium somewhere getting treatment for his psychological deformities?  I don't need an address or city or school name, but why don't we know what country he's in?

[robots]

if joran graduates from college

i will eat my metal arm

[klaasend]

Porn Relay?

Klaas writes: The 8 1/2 minute call could have been Joran sending it to Deepak's PC or Cellphone. Deepak in turn sent it to JCC via his PC.

Right.

There's a delay factor.  Deepak's "clearing house" (enabled by CyberZone remote technology and access, so deepak may indeed be at home) moves the product out for "consumption."

Carnut: we're talking "amateur" porn here.  Not model released work.  The web is filled w/ both.  Obviously, IMO.

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And we aren't necessarily talking about Bang Bus or Backseatbangers either.

[bleachedblack]

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (CTV 5/10/06, CNN 2/23/06)
Best record i can find of documented electronic exchanges.

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Joran tells Deepak he is walking home and is in the vicinity of the McDonalds on Palm Beach. Joran is breathing heavily during the call. He says he is walking home barefoot because he took his shoes off to go in the water with Natalee and could not find them again. He also says he left Natalee "passed out" on the beach. Deepak curses at him and says he is sick for doing that to the girl. There is a lot of disturbance during the call and at times Deepak cannot hear Joran. At one point it is so bad that Joran says he will talk to Deepak online when he gets home. The call lasts about 5 minutes (D 6/11, 6/11)

Deepak sends Joran a message telling him that he is waiting for him to get home and go online, and after that he will go to sleep (D 6/11)

Joran sends Deepak a message saying when he gets home he will go online (D 6/11)

Deepak goes back to chatting on the computer with Croes. He tells Croes that Joran is walking home and he is waiting up for him. (D 6/11)

3:07 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on VDSloot computer (computer record document)

After chatting with Croes, Deepak goes to the bathroom (D 5/11)

3:15 am: Joran sends Deepak a text message saying: "Hey Swa, I am home now, I will see you tomorrow" (stated by polis in J 6/14)

When Deepak returns from bathroom he sees that Joran had messaged him that he was home and would see him tomorrow. Deepak replies "OK" (D 6/11, stated by polis in J 6/14)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Are you there? (computer record document)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed (computer record document)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Take care (computer record document)

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Hey swa (computer record document)

3:35 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Topa pimp heehehe (computer record document)

3:35 am: Joran visits hotmail (computer record document)

3:40-3:45 am: Joran visits four soccer-related sites (computer record document)

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site (computer record document)

3:56 pm: Joran visits porn site (computer record document)

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail (computer record document)

Edited:  That's in Shizaru's timeline which is posted here.  I'm a little miffed at Scrux right now since they are advertising the Open Letter to Oprah on the front page again.

[Carnut]

Again, 8 1/2 mins of cell phone transmission does not equal 8 1/2 mins of video. Ya gotta take into account bandwidth. Maybe Altmetro can say something about this.

My experience with downloading and transmitting photo's/video's is apparently quite different from you folks.

I'll only believe video of anytype only if I see it. An not just some generic long blonde haired girl who can't be identified.

[bleachedblack]

if joran graduates from college

i will eat my metal arm

I'd like to film that!  

[LilPuma]

if joran graduates from college

i will eat my metal arm

If there is any evidence left that he raped for killed Natalee, I think he should asked the warden if there are any classes he can take.  If he is not convicted of anything, I think he's finding that what always used to come easy for him is no longer so easy for him.  Like school.  It gets harder in college and there's more competition than the little ISA.  The social part is harder.  Athletics are harder.  I think that most things came easy for Joran most of his life and he doesn't like college that much.  Do you think he's being kept under wraps by Tacopina?

[robots]

Again, 8 1/2 mins of cell phone transmission does not equal 8 1/2 mins of video. Ya gotta take into account bandwidth. Maybe Altmetro can say something about this.

My experience with downloading and transmitting photo's/video's is apparently quite different from you folks.

I'll only believe video of anytype only if I see it. An not just some generic long blonde haired girl who can't be identified.

very true

8 1/2 minutes of transmission might be equal to 30 seconds of video  

[robots]

if joran graduates from college

i will eat my metal arm

If there is any evidence left that he raped for killed Natalee, I think he should asked the warden if there are any classes he can take.  If he is not convicted of anything, I think he's finding that what always used to come easy for him is no longer so easy for him.  Like school.  It gets harder in college and there's more competition than the little ISA.  The social part is harder.  Athletics are harder.  I think that most things came easy for Joran most of his life and he doesn't like college that much.  Do you think he's being kept under wraps by Tacopina?

taco has his HANDS all over JORAN  

[Anna]

I guess, too, it could cut things short if "something bad" happened to your "star."

[robots]

if joran graduates from college

i will eat my metal arm

I'd like to film that!  

       


       

 

[klaasend]

I guess, too, it could cut things short if "something bad" happened to your "star."

Yup.  By why waste a perfectly good short video?  

[Anna]

My experience is it takes about forty-five seconds to download a three minute UTube video.

I am not trying to convince anybody of anything at all.  Just saying what could have happened given that we know they had been taking still porn photos at the Mill Resort and that even school children seem to take cell phone photos of their sex crimes in Aruba.

It is just a possibility among many.

But it is possible.

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[LilPuma]

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (CTV 5/10/06, CNN 2/23/06)
Best record i can find of documented electronic exchanges.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Joran tells Deepak he is walking home and is in the vicinity of the McDonalds on Palm Beach. Joran is breathing heavily during the call. He says he is walking home barefoot because he took his shoes off to go in the water with Natalee and could not find them again. He also says he left Natalee "passed out" on the beach. Deepak curses at him and says he is sick for doing that to the girl. There is a lot of disturbance during the call and at times Deepak cannot hear Joran. At one point it is so bad that Joran says he will talk to Deepak online when he gets home. The call lasts about 5 minutes (D 6/11, 6/11)

Good job, bleachedblack!  This actually is what I'm saying.  I think that phone call is Joran telling Deepak what happened - or what he wants Deepak to think happened.  Like I said on Dana's show, I think there is reason to believe that whatever involvement 2K had, they did not know the final outcome of the evening - just what Joran told them.

[Carnut]

I guess, too, it could cut things short if "something bad" happened to your "star."

Yup.  By why waste a perfectly good short video?  

Again, I am also of the opinion that nothing, absolutely nothing on the internet can be kept secret.

If such a video had ever existed it would have circled the globe in ten minutes from the moment it was transmitted to anyone, and we'd have seen it spread all over the MSM long ago, just like Paris Hilton.

For that matter I doubt very many folks would be able to differentiate the likeness of Nat from Paris in a video of such activities.

[robots]

2:26 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone. The time of this call is stated as 2:26 am by Tacopina, and as about 2:30 am by Deepak's lawyer David Kock (CTV 5/10/06, CNN 2/23/06)
Best record i can find of documented electronic exchanges.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Joran tells Deepak he is walking home and is in the vicinity of the McDonalds on Palm Beach. Joran is breathing heavily during the call. He says he is walking home barefoot because he took his shoes off to go in the water with Natalee and could not find them again. He also says he left Natalee "passed out" on the beach. Deepak curses at him and says he is sick for doing that to the girl. There is a lot of disturbance during the call and at times Deepak cannot hear Joran. At one point it is so bad that Joran says he will talk to Deepak online when he gets home. The call lasts about 5 minutes (D 6/11, 6/11)

Good job, bleachedblack!  This actually is what I'm saying.  I think that phone call is Joran telling Deepak what happened - or what he wants Deepak to think happened.  Like I said on Dana's show, I think there is reason to believe that whatever involvement 2K had, they did not know the final outcome of the evening - just what Joran told them.

i will BUY into that