Lively Case Discussion #562 12/18 - 12/20/2006

[bleachedblack]

In all seriousness, at the risk of being redundant. I will again say that the reason I believe that the FBI became so quickly and heavily involved in this case is because they were monitoring the phones/computers of those involved here for reasons unknown, but I am sure we can speculate on. Money laundering, drugging, raping etc.
 I believe the FBI witnessed/ heard the events of the nightNatalee disappeared.......hence Bacchus statement " this is not just some teenager that has wandered off". This also is the reason IMO that he mentioned "wiretaps" when initially interviewed by Greta following that first meeting he had with the delegation from Aruba (AHATA).

Nite Monkeys talk to you tomorrow.

[Carnut]

My experience is it takes about forty-five seconds to download a three minute UTube video.

I am not trying to convince anybody of anything at all.  Just saying what could have happened given that we know they had been taking still porn photos at the Mill Resort and that even school children seem to take cell phone photos of their sex crimes in Aruba.

It is just a possibility among many.

But it is possible.

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I'll bet you aren't on 56k dialup either and cell transmissions are slower than 56k dialup.

[Anna]

Is 100 Mbps particularly fast for connection to internet?  Seems super slow to me and I would think others would have much faster and maybe wireless is faster?

[Anna]

My experience is it takes about forty-five seconds to download a three minute UTube video.

I am not trying to convince anybody of anything at all.  Just saying what could have happened given that we know they had been taking still porn photos at the Mill Resort and that even school children seem to take cell phone photos of their sex crimes in Aruba.

It is just a possibility among many.

But it is possible.

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I'll bet you aren't on 56k dialup either and cell transmissions are slower than 56k dialup.

So guess they had to use their WiFi or reglar computer connections for the actual transmission, whichever faster.

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[LilPuma]

if joran graduates from college

i will eat my metal arm

If there is any evidence left that he raped or killed Natalee, I think he should ask the warden if there are any classes he can take.  If he is not convicted of anything, I think he's finding that what always used to come easy for him is no longer so easy for him.  Like school.  It gets harder in college and there's more competition than the little ISA.  The social part is harder.  Athletics are harder.  I think that most things came easy for Joran most of his life and he doesn't like college that much.  Do you think he's being kept under wraps by Tacopina?

taco has his HANDS all over JORAN  

We never heard any more about the alleged break-in at Joran's apartment.  I wonder if this was trumped up to make it look like Joe Mammana or Beth or someone was behind it.  Then Joe Tacopina puts him somewhere "safe" in the ever increasing drama that is Joe Tacopina's defense of the van der Sloot's murderous son.

[Anna]

In all seriousness, at the risk of being redundant. I will again say that the reason I believe that the FBI became so quickly and heavily involved in this case is because they were monitoring the phones/computers of those involved here for reasons unknown, but I am sure we can speculate on. Money laundering, drugging, raping etc.
 I believe the FBI witnessed/ heard the events of the nightNatalee disappeared.......hence Bacchus statement " this is not just some teenager that has wandered off". This also is the reason IMO that he mentioned "wiretaps" when initially interviewed by Greta following that first meeting he had with the delegation from Aruba (AHATA).

Nite Monkeys talk to you tomorrow.

Yep, he said Wiretaps.

So perhaps it was the interception of some sort of transmission that caught their ear.

[klaasend]

I guess, too, it could cut things short if "something bad" happened to your "star."

Yup.  By why waste a perfectly good short video?  

Again, I am also of the opinion that nothing, absolutely nothing on the internet can be kept secret.

If such a video had ever existed it would have circled the globe in ten minutes from the moment it was transmitted to anyone, and we'd have seen it spread all over the MSM long ago, just like Paris Hilton.

For that matter I doubt very many folks would be able to differentiate the likeness of Nat from Paris in a video of such activities.

So how would we even know?

[Carnut]

Is 100 Mbps particularly fast for connection to internet?  Seems super slow to me and I would think others would have much faster and maybe wireless is faster?

Wireless is orders of magnitude slower than hardwired.

Now adays most cable connections are 6meg or so down and 1.5 meg or so up.

Standard cheap DSL is probably 768k down and 384k up while tiers of DSL are available up to the same 6meg x 1.5 meg as cable.

56k dialup is thus 1/10 or so of slow DSL.

Wifi and Cell transmissions are usually in the less than 100k range.

[LilPuma]

In all seriousness, at the risk of being redundant. I will again say that the reason I believe that the FBI became so quickly and heavily involved in this case is because they were monitoring the phones/computers of those involved here for reasons unknown, but I am sure we can speculate on. Money laundering, drugging, raping etc.
 I believe the FBI witnessed/ heard the events of the nightNatalee disappeared.......hence Bacchus statement " this is not just some teenager that has wandered off". This also is the reason IMO that he mentioned "wiretaps" when initially interviewed by Greta following that first meeting he had with the delegation from Aruba (AHATA).

Nite Monkeys talk to you tomorrow.

US organized crime members are probably being monitored and probably know they're being monitored, so I don't doubt that the FBI had reason to believe this may have been more than 3 boys and an American girl.  We just don't have anything (except Tacopina) that actually brings the US mob into this thing.

[Carnut]

I am currently on a business class Full T1 connection and it's 1.5 mbs up and 1.5 mbs down.

[Carnut]

My experience is it takes about forty-five seconds to download a three minute UTube video.

I am not trying to convince anybody of anything at all.  Just saying what could have happened given that we know they had been taking still porn photos at the Mill Resort and that even school children seem to take cell phone photos of their sex crimes in Aruba.

It is just a possibility among many.

But it is possible.

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I'll bet you aren't on 56k dialup either and cell transmissions are slower than 56k dialup.

So guess they had to use their WiFi or reglar computer connections for the actual transmission, whichever faster.

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Wait a minute you were speculating on all of this being from a 8 1/2 minute cell phone call, not compute activity.

[Anna]

I guess, too, it could cut things short if "something bad" happened to your "star."

Yup.  By why waste a perfectly good short video?  

Again, I am also of the opinion that nothing, absolutely nothing on the internet can be kept secret.

If such a video had ever existed it would have circled the globe in ten minutes from the moment it was transmitted to anyone, and we'd have seen it spread all over the MSM long ago, just like Paris Hilton.

For that matter I doubt very many folks would be able to differentiate the likeness of Nat from Paris in a video of such activities.

There are tens of thousands of them out there right now, Carnut.  How would we know about just one of them?  Probably hundreds of thousands, just one among the many.

Or a snuff film for designated audience only perhaps.

And it took a long time for even the Paris Hilton vid to get into circulation, it didn't happen in ten minutes.

Natalee is not a celebrity and no one would have known there was anything special about it.  Or it might be just stored somewhere in a personal video storage file.  

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[LilPuma]

So how would we even know?

If it was Paris she'd be smiling for the camera.  

I do think that if there was video out there somewhere, the reward money would have gotten someone to make a call.

[Carnut]

There are tens of thousands of them out there right now, Carnut.  How would we know about just one of them?  Probably hundreds of thousands, just one among the many.

Or a snuff film for designated audience only perhaps.

And it took a long time for even the Paris Hilton vid to get into circulation, it didn't happen in ten minutes.

Natalee is not a celebrity and no one would have known there was anything special about it.  Or it might be just stored somewhere in a personal video storage file.  

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There ain't 10's of thousands of snuff films out there, I can guarantee that.

[Anna]

My experience is it takes about forty-five seconds to download a three minute UTube video.

I am not trying to convince anybody of anything at all.  Just saying what could have happened given that we know they had been taking still porn photos at the Mill Resort and that even school children seem to take cell phone photos of their sex crimes in Aruba.

It is just a possibility among many.

But it is possible.

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I'll bet you aren't on 56k dialup either and cell transmissions are slower than 56k dialup.

So guess they had to use their WiFi or reglar computer connections for the actual transmission, whichever faster.

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Only from Joran to Deepak.  Maybe a ZipDrive was used and he physically gave it to Deepak.  Those will work in a flash, thirty minutes worth in fifteen seconds.

I don't think cell phone was used to JCroes.  And for all I know Joran gave the zip drive to Deepak and Deepak sent to JCCroes at his leisure and then the 8.5 minute conversation was feed back from JCCroes via Deepak to Joran.

I don't know what they did but it was not hold a prayer meeting that night.

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Wait a minute you were speculating on all of this being from a 8 1/2 minute cell phone call, not compute activity.

[Carnut]

Natalee is not a celebrity and no one would have known there was anything special about it.  Or it might be just stored somewhere in a personal video storage file.  

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Actually Nat and the perps involved were celebrities within the first week of the disappearance. You all here were gathering all the myspace and online info on them that you could at that time.

You all have been sure that those folks were digging into your computers and trashing and stealing your info and you aren't celebrities, don't you think the same was occuring to anything they would have done on the net at that time? You think they have better security than folks here? You don't think there's any US hackers interested in gathering anything the perps have done?

[Anna]

There are tens of thousands of them out there right now, Carnut.  How would we know about just one of them?  Probably hundreds of thousands, just one among the many.

Or a snuff film for designated audience only perhaps.

And it took a long time for even the Paris Hilton vid to get into circulation, it didn't happen in ten minutes.

Natalee is not a celebrity and no one would have known there was anything special about it.  Or it might be just stored somewhere in a personal video storage file.  

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There ain't 10's of thousands of snuff films out there, I can guarantee that.

And I didn't say that there was, either.  I said OR a snuff film.  The tens of thousands refers to the many amateur videos out there now ranging in length from a still photo to any given amount.

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[crazybabyborg]

What was the story of the underage Aruba girl? Memory fails me, but she was involved in something and someone said she had stated she saw a film/pictures of Nat.

Can someone refresh my memory?

[Carnut]

I don't know what they did but it was not hold a prayer meeting that night.

Yes we both know that, there was molestation in the back of car and something bad happened, and everyone almost to a man on that dirty little island says it was Nat's fault.

[Carnut]

What was the story of the underage Aruba girl? Memory fails me, but she was involved in something and someone said she had stated she saw a film/pictures of Nat.

Can someone refresh my memory?

Dunno, but I wouldn't trust a single person on that dirty little island to be able
to identify Nat in a lineup.