Lively Case Discussion #562 12/18 - 12/20/2006

[BTgirl]

Good Morning Everybody!!  

Sorry I haven't been able to spend much time with ya'll lately, and also to ya'll that have been sending emails I'm not ignoring ya, I promise.  I just don't have much time for myself lately.  I do think of all ya'll all the time, and wish you all the most wonderful Christmas, and Happy Hanuka.

Justins......your mom, and your family are in my prayers.  God Bless You.

Please continue to keep my sister in your prayers.  This is very hard, and most days I just walk around in a daze.  Can't quit crying.

I love you guys.


Justice for Natalee.

Awwww.....Snoopy.

Prayers for your sister. I wub you.

[Ono]

Kock's claim that the H/T suit threatens his Dr. Phil suit implies an inherent weakness in the K2 position. He really should have thought ahead on this one.

If we understood their system, we would be overwhelmed by the brilliance of the Kock statement and how he put the ayrian nation American bigot slave owning hitler decendants in their place.  He is now the most sought after attorney in the "kingdom" and they are creating a national holliday in his honor.  They are already making a movie about it called "The Ousting of an American Tyrant".  Paulus is the director, Anita costume designer, and Joran will still be the villiage idiot, aka- waterhead.

  Priceless!

[blah]

"LONGEST EVER RECORDED..."

8 and 1/2 minutes

How does jannsen know this is the "looooongest recorded"?  Ever?

How does she know this to say this?  Is this the yield of the vaunted ALE "tactical manuever"?  You know, when the boys were set free for 20 days to be "monitored".

Longest?

Longer than what?

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Police have been criticized for letting more than a week go by without detaining the three young men last seen with Holloway and for waiting 16 days after she went missing before searching van der Sloot's home.

"The stupidest thing to do is run and arrest them because an hour later they will go free and you have nothing," Janssen told the AP.

http://tinyurl.com/y9xvyq

yeah, and we know that thats not true because thet can hold them for 2 days before they ever even have to see a judge.  And just want kind of prosecuter starts of a sentence with "The stupidest thing to do...."?????

[blah]

Porn Relay?

Klaas writes: The 8 1/2 minute call could have been Joran sending it to Deepak's PC or Cellphone. Deepak in turn sent it to JCC via his PC.

Right.

There's a delay factor.  Deepak's "clearing house" (enabled by CyberZone remote technology and access, so deepak may indeed be at home) moves the product out for "consumption."

Carnut: we're talking "amateur" porn here.  Not model released work.  The web is filled w/ both.  Obviously, IMO.

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what if Paulus had Joran's cell phone.  What if paulus was at home searching Google for "teenageer drugs and alcohol" and for 8.5 minutes he is relaying instructions from the internet on how to revive a girl who is overdosing on drugs.

[Florida]

ANNA: Leslie, Yes, I think that would work and they were already doing at least the nude photos we know from those of Loco Stephie at the Mill Resort and Freddie's priors with underage girls DVD. They were up to something other than just meeting tourist girls. Why did it have to be the girl's last night if not, right? But we just don't know exactly what they were doing.

Where can I read about Freddy and the Mill Resort?
How come there is no statement available from Freddy or Lorenzo?

The Mill Resort is across the road from the Wyndham...(& Radisson)
Where at one time Dave and searchers stayed.....

One more question....The 8 1/2 minute call...What time was this?
Could Deepak have stopped at the Internet Cafe after leaving C&C?

TIA!

[Kimmy53]

Good Morning Everybody!!  

Sorry I haven't been able to spend much time with ya'll lately, and also to ya'll that have been sending emails I'm not ignoring ya, I promise.  I just don't have much time for myself lately.  I do think of all ya'll all the time, and wish you all the most wonderful Christmas, and Happy Hanuka.

Justins......your mom, and your family are in my prayers.  God Bless You.

Please continue to keep my sister in your prayers.  This is very hard, and most days I just walk around in a daze.  Can't quit crying.

I love you guys.




Justice for Natalee.

Oh Snoopy!  ((((hugs)))) I am keeping you and your sister in my prayers.  I am so sorry you are going thru this.   I wish I knew what else to say......

[blah]

My experience is it takes about forty-five seconds to download a three minute UTube video.

I am not trying to convince anybody of anything at all.  Just saying what could have happened given that we know they had been taking still porn photos at the Mill Resort and that even school children seem to take cell phone photos of their sex crimes in Aruba.

It is just a possibility among many.

But it is possible.

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I'll bet you aren't on 56k dialup either and cell transmissions are slower than 56k dialup.

this statement is laughable !!!!!!!

     

in 2003 CDMA systems were transferring data at rates of 800kbs to 2.4Meg bits per second,  I dont know about Aruba and 2005 but i'm sure it was much faster than this in '05.


Thursday, October 23, 2003
"KDDI Corp. said Wednesday it will offer a new service next month, enabling cell phone subscribers to send and receive data at much higher speed.

The service, called CDMA 1X WIN, has a top transmission speed of 2.4 megabits per second and an average speed of 800 kilobits per second.

This is much faster than conventional services that only go up to 144 kilobits per second at most, KDDI said.

Along with the new service, the company will deliver new content such as movie and music information, and electronic books for mobile phones with access to Internet, KDDI said. "

[Ono]

Beth had a meeting with KJ and there are notes from her July 11th meeting. There were text messages. There was a message at 3:30 am. Greta asked what was the content of the text message and Joran sent a text message to his computer saying thanks I’m home. So we don’t really know how he got home except there was a message from Joran to Deepak saying he got home. KJ told Beth that there was a phone call between Joran and Deepak and she said that was the longest phone call ever recorded from those two boys cell phones and they were never able to find out what time that phone call took place or any of their conversations were disclosed and they knew it was significant because this has never taken place before and she doesn’t know what 18 year old, 17 year old or 22 year old boy are going to have and 18 (actually 8 1/2 minute) minute cell phone call on the very night they took Natalee.

She feels as if when she goes through her journal she sees all the alibis that were destroyed by looking at her looking through it.

http://tinyurl.com/feu4q

Klass:

I have a question maybe you can answer for me regarding KJ stating that she knew that there was an 8 1/2 minute call between Joran and Deepak but she doesn't know what time the phone call took place. How can she determine the length of the call if she can't determine exactly what time the call began and exactly what time the call ended? How can she time the length of the call?

[crazybabyborg]

Good Morning Everybody!!  

Sorry I haven't been able to spend much time with ya'll lately, and also to ya'll that have been sending emails I'm not ignoring ya, I promise.  I just don't have much time for myself lately.  I do think of all ya'll all the time, and wish you all the most wonderful Christmas, and Happy Hanuka.

Justins......your mom, and your family are in my prayers.  God Bless You.

Please continue to keep my sister in your prayers.  This is very hard, and most days I just walk around in a daze.  Can't quit crying.

I love you guys.

I'm so sorry Kimmy!

You're in my prayers. I hope this maybe can bring you a little smile....


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Kimmycopy.jpg

You were and are thought about with LOVE!!!!




Justice for Natalee.

Oh Snoopy!  ((((hugs)))) I am keeping you and your sister in my prayers.  I am so sorry you are going thru this.   I wish I knew what else to say......

[Ono]

"LONGEST EVER RECORDED..."

8 and 1/2 minutes

How does jannsen know this is the "looooongest recorded"?  Ever?

How does she know this to say this?  Is this the yield of the vaunted ALE "tactical manuever"?  You know, when the boys were set free for 20 days to be "monitored".

Longest?

Longer than what?

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Good questions.

[klaasend]

Beth had a meeting with KJ and there are notes from her July 11th meeting. There were text messages. There was a message at 3:30 am. Greta asked what was the content of the text message and Joran sent a text message to his computer saying thanks I’m home. So we don’t really know how he got home except there was a message from Joran to Deepak saying he got home. KJ told Beth that there was a phone call between Joran and Deepak and she said that was the longest phone call ever recorded from those two boys cell phones and they were never able to find out what time that phone call took place or any of their conversations were disclosed and they knew it was significant because this has never taken place before and she doesn’t know what 18 year old, 17 year old or 22 year old boy are going to have and 18 (actually 8 1/2 minute) minute cell phone call on the very night they took Natalee.

She feels as if when she goes through her journal she sees all the alibis that were destroyed by looking at her looking through it.

http://tinyurl.com/feu4q

Klass:

I have a question maybe you can answer for me regarding KJ stating that she knew that there was an 8 1/2 minute call between Joran and Deepak but she doesn't know what time the phone call took place. How can she determine the length of the call if she can't determine exactly what time the call began and exactly what time the call ended? How can she time the length of the call?

I don't know.  It doesn't make sense.  How can you know the length of a call and not know the rest.  Maybe she was lying to Beth?

[mishy]

Porn Relay?

Klaas writes: The 8 1/2 minute call could have been Joran sending it to Deepak's PC or Cellphone. Deepak in turn sent it to JCC via his PC.

Right.

There's a delay factor.  Deepak's "clearing house" (enabled by CyberZone remote technology and access, so deepak may indeed be at home) moves the product out for "consumption."

Carnut: we're talking "amateur" porn here.  Not model released work.  The web is filled w/ both.  Obviously, IMO.

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what if Paulus had Joran's cell phone.  What if paulus was at home searching Google for "teenageer drugs and alcohol" and for 8.5 minutes he is relaying instructions from the internet on how to revive a girl who is overdosing on drugs.

Interesting.....

[crazybabyborg]

That's what I get for running by in a hurry! Just saw my mistake........


Snoopy...............I didn't know you were having problems, but my heart goes out to you...... HUGS!


Kimmy, Merry Christmas!

Gotta run!

[mishy]

{{{{{{SNOOPY}}}}}}}

[the big hammer]

Loco Stefy & The Mill Resort

Florida writes: Where can I read about Freddy and the Mill Resort?

Prior to the most recent crash, there was an entire thread devoted to "Loco Stefy" and her engagement w/ two tourist girls: Bailey Anne and, her friend, Alyse.

An online webshot photo album detailed the tourist girls Aruba trip in March of 2005.  During their stay, they evidently met and befriended a local girl: Loco Stefy, who was "friends" w/ at least Freddy, Deepak and joran.  The photo album contained pix of them (all) in a car driven by deepak, outfitted w/ two dvd screens, on which pornography played.

A later photo was made available separately from the webshot albums which featured loco stefy naked and in bed, location was confirmed as The Mill Resort.  The exact timing of this photo could not be confirmed, though the date given was March 10, 2005.  Many here believe that photo to represent how the evening ended during Bailey Anne's and Alyse's last nite on Aruba.

This series of events was much discussed, here and elsewhere.  The tracking of the events during what was called Bailey Anne's last nite in Aruba provides a fairly detailed picture of the pimp's modus operandi, who sits where in the cars, who drives, where they go, what they do, etc.

It is, imo, among the important contributions made by the monkeys to the case.  Because not only does it SHOW via pictoral record who they are, what they do, where they go -- it is also undeniable, as it is visually memorialized.

.

[San]

Porn Relay?

Klaas writes: The 8 1/2 minute call could have been Joran sending it to Deepak's PC or Cellphone. Deepak in turn sent it to JCC via his PC.

Right.

There's a delay factor.  Deepak's "clearing house" (enabled by CyberZone remote technology and access, so deepak may indeed be at home) moves the product out for "consumption."

Carnut: we're talking "amateur" porn here.  Not model released work.  The web is filled w/ both.  Obviously, IMO.

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what if Paulus had Joran's cell phone.  What if paulus was at home searching Google for "teenageer drugs and alcohol" and for 8.5 minutes he is relaying instructions from the internet on how to revive a girl who is overdosing on drugs.

I don't think Paulus was doing any such thing.  If he wanted to help all they had to do is call for help or take her to the hospital.  I believe Beth said in an recent interview why didn't they seek medical help if Natalee was injured.

[klaasend]

Loco Stefy & The Mill Resort

Florida writes: Where can I read about Freddy and the Mill Resort?

Prior to the most recent crash, there was an entire thread devoted to "Loco Stefy" and her engagement w/ two tourist girls: Bailey Anne and, her friend, Alyse.

An online webshot photo album detailed the tourist girls Aruba trip in March of 2005.  During their stay, they evidently met and befriended a local girl: Loco Stefy, who was "friends" w/ at least Freddy, Deepak and joran.  The photo album contained pix of them (all) in a car driven by deepak, outfitted w/ two dvd screens, on which pornography played.

A later photo was made available separately from the webshot albums which featured loco stefy naked and in bed, location was confirmed as The Mill Resort.  The exact timing of this photo could not be confirmed, though the date given was March 10, 2005.  Many here believe that photo to represent how the evening ended during Bailey Anne's and Alyse's last nite on Aruba.

This series of events was much discussed, here and elsewhere.  The tracking of the events during what was called Bailey Anne's last nite in Aruba provides a fairly detailed picture of the pimp's modus operandi, who sits where in the cars, who drives, where they go, what they do, etc.

It is, imo, among the important contributions made by the monkeys to the case.  Because not only does it SHOW via pictoral record who they are, what they do, where they go -- it is also undeniable, as it is visually memorialized.

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HAMMER - I can reconstruct alot of that old thread.  I'll work on it today.

[Florida]

the big hammer:Wow!  Thank you so much for your detailed explanation!  Could this be the reason for the Monday evening "Radisson gambling"?  THey were actually back at the Mill Resort? I've always doubted they were in that area to gamble for six+ hours.....

[Florida]

Is this Bailey on the left?  Steph on the right?
Have those US girls been questioned?

[IndyDan]

Loco Stefy & The Mill Resort

Florida writes: Where can I read about Freddy and the Mill Resort?

Prior to the most recent crash, there was an entire thread devoted to "Loco Stefy" and her engagement w/ two tourist girls: Bailey Anne and, her friend, Alyse.

An online webshot photo album detailed the tourist girls Aruba trip in March of 2005.  During their stay, they evidently met and befriended a local girl: Loco Stefy, who was "friends" w/ at least Freddy, Deepak and joran.  The photo album contained pix of them (all) in a car driven by deepak, outfitted w/ two dvd screens, on which pornography played.

A later photo was made available separately from the webshot albums which featured loco stefy naked and in bed, location was confirmed as The Mill Resort.  The exact timing of this photo could not be confirmed, though the date given was March 10, 2005.  Many here believe that photo to represent how the evening ended during Bailey Anne's and Alyse's last nite on Aruba.

This series of events was much discussed, here and elsewhere.  The tracking of the events during what was called Bailey Anne's last nite in Aruba provides a fairly detailed picture of the pimp's modus operandi, who sits where in the cars, who drives, where they go, what they do, etc.

It is, imo, among the important contributions made by the monkeys to the case.  Because not only does it SHOW via pictoral record who they are, what they do, where they go -- it is also undeniable, as it is visually memorialized.

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I've never heard this before, it's certainly a jaw dropper!  WOW, have Bailey Anne or Alyse ever come forward or commented anywhere about this?