Lively Case Discussion #562 12/18 - 12/20/2006

[San]

I RESPECTFULLY  Disagree...

Considering where the video came from.....

Florida that photo doesn't look like Natalee to me her hair, nose and eyes are different.

[justinsmama]

Leslie, yes, I am here. Mom is still hanging in there. She remains in critical condition. Her blood pressure is the issue today.  Trying to wean her from higher concentration of oxygen, and her bp responds poorly to it. They are giving her breathing treatments (she has asthma) and the last one helped more than the previous ones. Hoping for a good night. Her cardiologist and pulmonary doc have been in several times. I felt kinda sorry for the cardio doc this morning. He looked so worried, said that the issue was not her heart, almost as though he wished it were so he could do something to fix it. My mother worked in that hospital for 29 years, and is deeply loved by many of the staff throughout it. I saw different folks (I worked there throughout undergrad and graduate school) wander by and peek in today. It is difficult to see her like this. We've all been doing our share of pacing. And we all look like hell, too.   My boss came in to see me and offer support. He's a great guy. I'm going to work tomorrow unless something drastic happens.

Mrs.~ I feel for you, as this very, very hard. I told one of my brothers that it is not supposed to be this way, that if this is the end, she deserves to be able to go peacefully in her sleep and not with all this. He said that our dad did us favor by dying quickly and unexpectedly. There was no vigil needed through which he and we had to endure.

[IndyDan]

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I totally agree the 3 amigos are able to take still pics and post them at various online sites.

So what's the big deal?  Porn is porn no matter the medium, transfer rate or anythng else.  They are known to have created it in the past.  Not like its even a new concept to these three.

And if there is nothing important about that 8.5 minute phone conversation, KJ should not have said her case evolved around it and the other communications that night.  Why is she unable to get the actual time on that one call and how does she know it is the longest one ever and why does she bother to point all that out if it all means nothing?  Maybe she is a bigger liar than some of us even realized?

I think you just want to argue about nothing!   And a porn video could have been made on regular video camera and VHS cassette or more likely a CD/DVD as that is what Freddie used in the past and hand carried around for all we know.  But it is possible and that is all anybody here has ever said.  Just possible.

Of course we do not know what they did that night but then neither do you.

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The big deal is that if you really look at the situation logically that night it is quite apparent that it was virtually impossible to do a 'porn/snuf' video.

Neither the technology, the time, or the apparent actions of the 3 amigos would lead to any reasoning that such an activity transpired.

I just think this topic of discussion distracts from any reasonable discussion of the case and kinda makes the whole forum look just a bit less credible in the eyes of the world.

I know that's none of my business, but it does concern me.

I don't think these boys were sick enough to do 'snuff' films, I think they were just in it for the sex and I also believe they filmed most of it.

They're teenaged boys addicted and infatuated with Porn.

They had a little scheme going where they drugged, raped and possibly filmed their victims and probably shared their conquests with each other over the Internet.

I'm not being soft here, these boys are animals raised by dysfuntional parents.  They need to be taken down like rabid dogs.

The Kramer tirade was taped via a cellphone and is all over the Internet.

[Carnut]

I don't think these boys were sick enough to do 'snuff' films, I think they were just in it for the sex and I also believe they filmed most of it.

They're teenaged boys addicted and infatuated with Porn.

They had a little scheme going where they drugged, raped and possibly filmed their victims and probably shared their conquests with each other over the Internet.

I'm not being soft here, these boys are animals raised by dysfuntional parents.  They need to be taken down like rabid dogs.

The Kramer tirade was taped via a cellphone and is all over the Internet.

Yep, and if the 3 amigos did a porn film, it would also be all over the internet by now.

[Florida]

Nope - not even close, IMO

How come I see it....Natalee drugged and filmed?

[oldfart]

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Florida
Sorry do not see that much resemblance ...

Oh Hi Monkeys

[Carnut]

Nope - not even close, IMO

How come I see it....Natalee drugged and filmed?

Guess you have better meds than the rest.

[klaasend]

Another article in the new GLOBE dated 12/25/2006 - thanks again to SAN for sending it to me!

Entire page with photos - too large to post:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Globe122506.jpg

Verbage:

[IndyDan]

The latest National Enquirer has an article about the case.  Thanks to San for picking up the 12/25/2006 NE today and sending to me.

Here is the full article including pictures - too large to post:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/NE122506.jpg

Here is the verbage in the article:

This is good!  Poor VanderSloots, their world just keeps getting smaller. I hope ArubaJoeBlowhard makes it thru the Holidays without self destructing.
I'm thinking AJB should consider suing the VDSs for mental anguish and physical stress and anxiety.

[Carnut]

Looks like the 2K's are gonna have to ad 'The Globe' to their case.

[klaasend]

Looks like the 2K's are gonna have to ad 'The Globe' to their case.

Neither the Globe or the National Enquirer appear to be too worried about it  

[oldfart]

Florida
to me these two pic look more alike...
What do  you Think
klaasend or somemone might be able to make them the same size ??


or maybe

[Cat]

I think that is a different woman.I do think that NAH was filmed.These are animals who are no longer human,and can be saved.Al Gore says aruba will be under water(as well as NYC<BOSTON<ETC) in 18 months.I can dream.I have felt that anita is crazy and is the enabler.paulus is just a perv.I would love to take Luminol to the vds house and grounds.Justice is coming,soon.Spatecus Cat,fear the claw

[IndyDan]

I don't think these boys were sick enough to do 'snuff' films, I think they were just in it for the sex and I also believe they filmed most of it.

They're teenaged boys addicted and infatuated with Porn.

They had a little scheme going where they drugged, raped and possibly filmed their victims and probably shared their conquests with each other over the Internet.

I'm not being soft here, these boys are animals raised by dysfuntional parents.  They need to be taken down like rabid dogs.

The Kramer tirade was taped via a cellphone and is all over the Internet.

Yep, and if the 3 amigos did a porn film, it would also be all over the internet by now.

Why? Not everything filmed for personal use is plastered over the Internet.  I have mpg files of my grandson taking his first steps that I uploaded and shared over the Internet with family members all over the country.
I challenge you to post one of them here.

[Carnut]

I don't think these boys were sick enough to do 'snuff' films, I think they were just in it for the sex and I also believe they filmed most of it.

They're teenaged boys addicted and infatuated with Porn.

They had a little scheme going where they drugged, raped and possibly filmed their victims and probably shared their conquests with each other over the Internet.

I'm not being soft here, these boys are animals raised by dysfuntional parents.  They need to be taken down like rabid dogs.

The Kramer tirade was taped via a cellphone and is all over the Internet.

Yep, and if the 3 amigos did a porn film, it would also be all over the internet by now.

Why? Not everything filmed for personal use is plastered over the Internet.  I have mpg files of my grandson taking his first steps that I uploaded and shared over the Internet with family members all over the country.
I challenge you to post one of them here.

Sorry, you win, obviously I don't know anything about what I'm talking about.

[klaasend]

Florida
to me these two pic look more alike...
What do  you Think
klaasend or somemone might be able to make them the same size ??


or maybe

Oldfart - I agree but who is that other picture?  Anywone we know?

[Altruist]

I don't think these boys were sick enough to do 'snuff' films, I think they were just in it for the sex and I also believe they filmed most of it.

They're teenaged boys addicted and infatuated with Porn.

They had a little scheme going where they drugged, raped and possibly filmed their victims and probably shared their conquests with each other over the Internet.

I'm not being soft here, these boys are animals raised by dysfuntional parents.  They need to be taken down like rabid dogs.

The Kramer tirade was taped via a cellphone and is all over the Internet.

Yep, and if the 3 amigos did a porn film, it would also be all over the internet by now.

Why? Not everything filmed for personal use is plastered over the Internet.  I have mpg files of my grandson taking his first steps that I uploaded and shared over the Internet with family members all over the country.
I challenge you to post one of them here.

I agree IndyDan, there is that underworld pedophile videoshare, those aren't available.  They are only available through a private site & the only way they get to view is to have video to share, as I understand it.  Although you would think that our federal LE would have a way, but it appears that they don't.  Maybe in time that will change.  We can hope.

[oldfart]

Florida
to me these two pic look more alike...
What do  you Think
klaasend or somemone might be able to make them the same size ??


or maybe

Oldfart - I agree but who is that other picture?  Anywone we know?

Nope...
Just someone that I know... and maybe a whole lot of other people based upon where  Florida got their pic from.   I would realy like to know where it theirs came from.
Sorry .. I do not have a pic w/o sunglasses.

[Leslie]

What do we know about John Charles Croes?  He was a schoolmate of Deepak's and lives "with his entire family" in Florida...anything else?

Justinsmama:  Thank you for the update.   Best wishes to your mother for a full recovery.

[robots]

it aint her