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« Reply #1680 on: February 13, 2010, 01:51:10 AM »

Nite Monkeys. You were all soooo funny tonight.       

GoodNight Cajun..Hope all is well with tha family! an angelic monkey
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« Reply #1681 on: February 13, 2010, 02:11:33 AM »

SHANGO/SIMIAN


WHAT SAY YOU?



 
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« Reply #1682 on: February 13, 2010, 02:14:32 AM »

SHANGO/SIMIAN


WHAT SAY YOU?



 

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« Reply #1683 on: February 13, 2010, 02:18:02 AM »

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

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P.S.ME THINKS THERE'S MORE TO COME BUT,WHAT DO I KNOW?
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« Reply #1684 on: February 13, 2010, 02:18:49 AM »

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

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No Body...No Tourism aruba! Bring Natalee Home!


« Reply #1685 on: February 13, 2010, 02:56:31 AM »

Hello Good Monkeys.....
I've been out of the country since Wednesday morning...after my rudeness to Anna, and for that matter...everyone on this forum....
All I can say...Anna,
I apologize for attacking you...sincerely...no excuse, I was wrong and out of line....
All Good Monkeys...I apologize to you also.....no defense on my part....
Klaas, you are right, I was attacking.....Anna was not. Thank you for putting it all in perspective!
I came in this afternoon and heard the news....Paulus...the wicked witch is dead.....may he receive his just reward.......I always felt Hell was good for something..... Monkey Devil!
So good to see so many returning to post.....Aruba..take notice...no one is going away until Justice for Natalee is realized......

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« Reply #1686 on: February 13, 2010, 04:33:22 AM »

Hello Good Monkeys.....
I've been out of the country since Wednesday morning...after my rudeness to Anna, and for that matter...everyone on this forum....
All I can say...Anna,
I apologize for attacking you...sincerely...no excuse, I was wrong and out of line....
All Good Monkeys...I apologize to you also.....no defense on my part....
Klaas, you are right, I was attacking.....Anna was not. Thank you for putting it all in perspective!
I came in this afternoon and heard the news....Paulus...the wicked witch is dead.....may he receive his just reward.......I always felt Hell was good for something..... Monkey Devil!
So good to see so many returning to post.....Aruba..take notice...no one is going away until Justice for Natalee is realized......


Thanks for your continued support of Natalee and her family billb.

That's what it's all about.

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« Reply #1687 on: February 13, 2010, 06:39:58 AM »

Nonesuche - if you sent me any of that Boxtel Roadway stuff on the Sloots I may still have it.  I've saved just about everything.

Hi Klaas - I think I did at one time. I've offloaded so much to my external hard drive that it just takes me longer to search for things.

I'll look through everything I have tomorrow.  I still have my old computer but I also have some OLD stuff on a flash drive and the rest on my external. I have most of the emails as well going back to 2005 

you're a walking content management system Klaas  I'll keep looking too but I don't think it's terribly important information, just that it does qualify some of the breadth of the VDS holdings and assets.


I'm still way behind -- don't know if this was posted yet or not -- I apologize if I'm duplicating -- can't find the original at the moment, but found this referenced in an old Easywriter post (and of course, I didn't save the link)


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This is the document I was talking about last night. The list of applicants appears to be members of the Van Der Sloot clan.

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AS TO THE ADMISSIBILITY OF

Application No. 15596/89
by Allegonda VAN DER SLOOT and others
against the Netherlands


The European Commission of Human Rights (Second Chamber) sitting
in private on 1 July 1992, the following members being present:

MM. S. TRECHSEL, President of the Second Chamber
G. JÖRUNDSSON
A. WEITZEL
J.-C. SOYER
H. G. SCHERMERS
H. DANELIUS
Mrs. G. H. THUNE
MM. F. MARTINEZ
L. LOUCAIDES
J.-C. GEUS


Mr. K. ROGGE, Secretary to the Second Chamber


Having regard to Article 25 of the Convention for the Protection
of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms;

Having regard to the application introduced on 22 June 1989 by
Allegonda VAN DER SLOOT and others against the Netherlands and
registered on 10 October 1989 under file No. 15596/89;

Having regard to the report provided for in Rule 47 of the Rules
of Procedure of the Commission;

Having deliberated;

Decides as follows:


THE FACTS

The applicants are 15 inhabitants of Boxtel, 3 inhabitants of
Vught, 1 inhabitant of Sassenheim, 1 inhabitant of Best, 1 inhabitant
of Tilburg, an environmental association with its registered seat in
Den Dungen and a residence association with its registered seat in
Boxtel, the Netherlands. Their names are appended (Appendix I).

Before the Commission the applicants are represented by Mr.
P.A.P.J. van der Sloot, a lawyer practising in Boxtel.

The facts of the case as submitted by the applicants may be
summarised as follows.

On 24 May 1973 the Municipal Council (Gemeenteraad) of Boxtel,
departing from the existing zoning plan, adopted the zoning plan
"Stapelen", in which a road was planned through the recreational and
scenic nature area "De Vorstakkers". Following objections by some of
the applicants, the Crown, by Royal Decree (Koninklijke Besluit) of 11
August 1976, refused to approve the part of the zoning plan which
concerned that road.

On 23 May 1984 the Municipal Council of Boxtel, after having
considered the applicants' objections concerning, inter alia, expected
pollution, noise and stench, adopted the zoning plan "Zuidelijke
Hoofdweg", in which again a road was planned through "De Vorstakkers".
After having considered the applicants' objections against this new
plan, the Provincial Executive (Gedeputeerde Staten) of Noord-Brabant
approved the new zoning plan in its decision of 27 March 1985. The
applicants subsequently appealed to the Crown.

In the proceedings before the Crown, the Administrative
Litigation Division of the Council of State (Afdeling geschillen van
bestuur van de Raad van State) advised the Crown on 27 July 1987 and
18 April 1988 to quash the decision of 27 March 1985 by the Provincial
Executive and to withhold approval of the zoning plan.

The Crown, in its Royal Decree of 28 December 1988, partially
quashed the decision of the Provincial Executive, but the plan for the
road was upheld.

In order to start the construction of the road, pending the
approval of the entire zoning plan "Zuidelijke Hoofdweg", so-called
anticipation proceedings were started.

By decision of 18 March 1986 the Provincial Executive of Noord-
Brabant granted the Municipal Executive (Burgemeester en Wethouders)
of Boxtel a declaration of non-objection (verklaring van geen bezwaar)
concerning the first construction phase of the road. Some of the
applicants filed objections against this decision, which the Provincial
Executive rejected on 16 September 1986. These applicants subsequently
appealed to the Judicial Division of the Council of State (Afdeling
Rechtspraak van de Raad van State).

By decision of 6 May 1986 the Municipal Executive of Boxtel, on
the basis of the above declaration of non-objection, granted the
Municipality of Boxtel an exemption from the conditions of the zoning
plan in force concerning the construction of a specific section of the
road.

The objections by some of the applicants against this exemption
were rejected by the Municipal Executive of Boxtel on 15 April 1987.
These applicants subsequently appealed to the Judicial Division.

The Judicial Division joined the appeals against the decisions
of 16 September 1986 and 15 April 1987 and on 26 February 1990 quashed
both decisions. The Judicial Division held, inter alia, that the
authorities at issue, after having balanced the interests involved,
could not reasonably have reached their decisions. The Judicial
Division considered that, at the time these decisions were taken, there
were serious doubts on the Crown's approval of the proposed zoning
plan, taking into account that, in respect of the road, it was quite
similar to the "Stapelen" zoning plan, the approval of which had been
refused by the Crown on 11 August 1976.

The Municipality of Boxtel had, with a view to the construction
of the road, also started expropriation proceedings against three of
the applicants. The expropriation was pronounced by the Regional Court
(Arrondissementsrechtbank) of 's-Hertogenbosch by judgment of 2 October
1987. On appeal, the Supreme Court (Hoge Raad) in its decision of 25
May 1988 quashed the judgment of the Regional Court and referred the
case back to the Regional Court.

By judgment of 10 November 1989 the Regional Court of 's-
Hertogenbosch refused the request for expropriation by the Municipality
of Boxtel.

On 10 September 1990 the Municipal Council of Boxtel, upon a
proposal by the Municipal Executive, decided to abandon the plans for
the construction of the road at issue and to end all related
proceedings. The Municipal Council subsequently started proceedings in
order to revoke the Royal Decree of 28 December 1988, which proceedings
are still pending.


COMPLAINTS

The applicants originally complained under Article 6 para. 1 of
the Convention that the Crown, in the determination of their civil
rights and obligations, was not an independent and impartial tribunal,
that the reasonable time had been exceeded as the proceedings at issue
started already in 1973 and the outcome was still not clear and that
the principle of "ne bis in idem" had not been respected in that the
proceedings on the plan of the road were re-opened in the second set
of administrative proceedings on the zoning plan.

Following the Municipality's decision of 10 September 1990 to
abandon the plans for the construction of the road and to end all
related proceedings, the applicants have maintained their complaint
concerning the length of the proceedings, including the legal costs
involved. They acknowledge that they could claim compensation but
submit that they would thereby risk further lengthy proceedings.


THE LAW

The applicants originally complained under Article 6 para. 1
(Art. 6-2) of the Convention that their civil rights and obligations
have not been determined within a reasonable time by an independent and
impartial tribunal and that the principle of "ne bis in idem" has not
been respected.

Article 6 para. 1 (Art. 6-1) of the Convention, insofar as
relevant, provides as follows:

"In the determination of his civil rights and obligations
(...), everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing
within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial
tribunal established by law."

The Commission observes that the applicants were involved in
proceedings concerning a zoning plan envisaging the construction of a
road.

The Commission notes under Article 25 (Art. 25) of the Convention
that on 10 September 1990 the Municipality of Boxtel abandoned its
plans for the construction of the road at issue and all related
proceedings, but that so far no final decision to revoke the Royal
Decree of 28 December 1988 has been taken.

The Commission further observes in respect of Article 26
(Art. 26) of the Convention that the applicants have not sought
compensation for the costs they incurred in the proceedings at issue.

However, even assuming that the applicants can be considered as
victims within the meaning of Article 25 (Art. 25) of the Convention
and have exhausted all domestic remedies within the meaning of Article
26 (Art. 26) of the Convention, the Commission considers that the
proceedings at issue on the adoption of a new zoning plan envisaging
the construction of a road did not, in the particular circumstances of
the present case, determine any civil rights or obligations within the
meaning of Article 6 para. 1 (Art. 6-1) of the Convention (cf. mutatis
mutandis No. 11844/85, Dec. 29.2.88, D.R. 55 p. 205).

It follows that the application is incompatible ratione materiae
with the provisions of the Convention within the meaning of Article 27
para. 2 (Art. 27-2) of the Convention.

For these reasons, the Commission, unanimously

DECLARES THE APPLICATION INADMISSIBLE.

Secretary to the Second Chamber President of the Second Chamber

(K. ROGGE) (S. TRECHSEL)

APPENDIX I

List of the applicants

1) Allegonda VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1947, residing in Boxtel;

2) Freek VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1971, residing in Boxtel;

3) Ingrid VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1968, residing in Boxtel;

4) Marinus VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1941, residing in Boxtel;

5) Bernardus MAAS, born in 1909, residing in Boxtel;

6) Lamberdina VAN DE SANDE, born in 1936, residing in Boxtel;

7) Johannes VAN DE SANDE, born in 1938, residing in Vught;

 Wilhelmus VAN LEEUWEN, born in 1925, residing in Sassenheim;

9) Adriana VAN DER SLOOT-
VAN KRIEKEN, born in 1911, residing in Boxtel;

10) Marjo VAN DE SANDE, born in 1968, residing in Vught;

11) Cornelis VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1929, residing in Boxtel;

12) Johannes SPOOR, born in 1944, residing in Best;

13) Cornelia SPOOR, born in 1942, residing in Boxtel;

14) Henricus KLIJN, born in 1955, residing in Tilburg;

15) Gerarda KLIJN, born in 1955, residing in Boxtel;

16) Lambertus VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1942, residing in Boxtel;

17) Johannes DOMS, born in 1943, residing in Boxtel;

1 Marie VAN DE SANDE, born in 1966, residing in Vught;

19) Petrus VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1947, residing in Boxtel;

20) Johannes VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1933, residing in Boxtel;

21) Paulus VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1952, residing in Boxtel;

22) Milieuvereniging "Het Groene Hart" with its registered seat in Den
Dungen;

23) Bewonersvereniging Eindhovenseweg Liempdseweg with its registered
seat in Boxtel.
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« Reply #1688 on: February 13, 2010, 06:58:30 AM »

Wow, Renfro drunk as a skunk. 

And the phony accent!  What is it supposed to be?  Aruban?  Dutch?  Sure not American.

I think it's the dialect of Vodka maybe on the boarder of Rum 

With an influence of SLEAZE & SKANK & HO

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« Reply #1689 on: February 13, 2010, 07:03:58 AM »

If Joran were there for the fatal heart attack, would he have call for a boat instead of an ambulance?  Would he have gotten a frequent buyers discount?

Is Joran counting the days until he gains a fortune when his parents are gone?

Joran always seemed like a calculating $$$ person. 

Will the death of his father be a financial windfall?
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« Reply #1690 on: February 13, 2010, 07:15:21 AM »

Hello Monkeys!  Here to gloat shamelessly!

ANITA - What were your first words when you heard the news?  Probably the same as Beth's.  "What happened?"  You got your question answered.

PAULUS - Bet you're sweating your azz off now.  Not due to keeping the secrets, but because now they are REVEALED.  You may have fooled the Aruban authorities, but the Authority That Counts is not fooled.  Burn and rot. 



 

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« Reply #1691 on: February 13, 2010, 08:11:49 AM »

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/462969/2010/02/12/Joran-mag-naar-begrafenis-vader.dhtml
Translated

Joran can father to burial

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is no problem to Aruba to say goodbye to his father. '' According to Chief mr Peter Whites is "an arrest is not appropriate in this situation. It also provides an examination not cause an arrest on his arrival.''

 The De Telegraaf reported today.
"If Joran still must come to court, we will decide later this year", says the Chief. "It is a complex matter, partly because there never was a body found." (EBO) 


and the beat goes on....they have been saying 'later this year' for 4 freakin' years Rolling Eyes Paul's death will change nothing.
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« Reply #1692 on: February 13, 2010, 08:27:48 AM »

Deepak: "Your own father???"---keeps ringing in my ears.
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« Reply #1693 on: February 13, 2010, 09:00:20 AM »

Deepak: "Your own father???"---keeps ringing in my ears.

Yep. Those are words we will never forget.
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« Reply #1694 on: February 13, 2010, 10:09:28 AM »

It was nice to see see so many here again. I had NG on just becasue the channel was there from the night before, and heard the name Sloot, wrong one. But a good one. I had the flu for 24 hours, have some reading back to do.
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« Reply #1695 on: February 13, 2010, 10:30:15 AM »

Waiting on Red to finish his front page post but I have a video to show you I've been working on.  It's a bit light hearted but more a spoof of the Aruban media than what happened to PVDS.  Monkey Devil!



NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/02/12/exclusive-interview-from-aruba-with-glenda-bondia-regarding-paulus-van-der-sloot-death-natalee-holloway-joran-van-der-sloot/

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Kq2UMm4Tu-w&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Kq2UMm4Tu-w&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>


The devil made me do it  Monkey Devil!



Bumping this forward for the Day Crew!

Good Morning All My Monkeys!


 


Respect for Paulus???


 


What respect did he ever show Natalee?
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« Reply #1696 on: February 13, 2010, 10:33:55 AM »

Rob is correct about Anita being cheap as I have seen many comments on this over the years.  I can just see her and Joran trying to get Paulus back to the NL ala "Weekend at Bernies" just as Bearly said!  I really can and that family is disrespectful enough to do just that very sort of thing, lol!


 


 

I'll show Paulus the same respect he showed for Natalee!
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« Reply #1697 on: February 13, 2010, 10:39:01 AM »

PVDS' death sure throws a MonkeyWrench into the mix...

One thing was for sure...PVDS was a major piece to this case(in many aspects):
(1) direct/indirect participant in crime
(2) colleague to power players in investigation (VdStraaten, Judges, etc)
(3) associate/player within underworld structure
(4) backbone to his immediate VDS family
(5) cover agent for all JVDS blunders, Aruba and abroad
(6) advisor for legal matters regarding case (Statement Proof Reader, Tacopina, etc)

Only time will tell how things shake out from here (in his absence)...
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« Reply #1698 on: February 13, 2010, 10:44:34 AM »

Well, this whole situation with Paulus kicking the bucket mid-serve or whatever just has to beg the question:

WHY WAS AN AMBULANCE CALLED FOR PAULUS WHEN HE COLLAPSED BUT A DUMPING BOAT WAS CALLED FOR NATALEE?

I thought when somebody collapsed, Sloots called a boat to dump them in the ocean!  Why a boat for Natalee and an ambulance for Paulus, Sloots?
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« Reply #1699 on: February 13, 2010, 10:47:58 AM »

O/T  There will be a presser at 11 a.m. by UAH President on the shootings yesterday.

I posted this in the proper thread but since we have so many from Alabama because Natalee was and this is a part of the University system she would have attended, I am putting this one post here today for them in case they didn't know.
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