Natalee Case Discussion #828 1/28/10 - 2/14/10

[Blue Moon]

Preview photo of me in front of the L.A. courtroom: 

Look's like a young "Dear Abby".   

[Edward]

or Dr. Laura 

[Edward]

Or Judge Judy   

[Blue Moon]

or Dr. Laura 

I see now after looking at it a little longer it is Sandra Dee.

[Magnolia]

or Dr. Laura 

I see now after looking at it a little longer it is Sandra Dee.

It's Gidget (aka Klaas)

[Kermit]

NATALEE WASN'T INTERESTED IN JORAN AND HE WASN'T INTERESTED IN HER at the blackjack table. PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT WAS INTERESTED IN NATALEE and talked to her. Her body language shows her being replused by that dirty old man


ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN BROOK TEENS
BOUGHTON looked for Natalee upon the closing of C and C.
Then Boughton went to another location to try to find her.
When she did not see Natalee at that next location, Broughton returned to the hotel.

BROUGHTON had tried to find her friend Natalee upon closing..
BROUGHTON was staying with Natalee at her hotel.

*THIS SUGGEST TO ME: NATALEE DID HAVE A BUDDY PLAN.
She did have a plan to return with her friends, her room mate at her hotel.

ONLY NATALEE WAS INCAPABLE OF IMPLEMENTING THAT PLAN because she had been drugged
and given some very strong liquor admitted by Joran to giving that to her.

Natalee intended to go back to the hotel with her friends.

My daughter ACTUALLY WITNESSED Natalee right outside the entrance to Carlos & Charlie's at around 1:00 a.m. Monday morning. (The paper says she left at 1:30.) My daughter was leaving the bar with two friends, and they were right behind another group. She called to Natalee and asked if she wanted to walk with them (I forget now if my daughter was headed to the hotel or the bar across the street; I think the latter). Natalee cheerfully said no, she would catch up to the group right ahead and walk with them (implying she would be along in a few moments). My daughter had no idea she would not see Natalee again.

[Kermit]

Tell MaMa - JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING KALPOES
 

If you're smart - you'll get your Visa and come to America and go into the witness protection program by giving all the information to our authorities.

[Tamikosmom]

Edward

They did discus Joran and Ruth Mc Veigh and the money in their FBI 302.  They saw him around for a couple days.  They only got in on Thursday.  Their FBI statements seem pretty honest to me.

I agree with Jenn with one exception....I think Anita was in on it from the get go.  Paulus talked to her in Holland and told her Joran was the last one with Natalee (supposedly when everyone believed the HI lie).

Buckeye - I think my post was maybe vague there......

I believe Paulus was instrumental in the initial crimes committed against Natalee - the casino video footage helps me in that belief.

In my post above I wasn't referring to the immediate ensuing cover up of those initial crimes.

I fully believe Anita was a part of that also.

I believe those two enabled and covered up for that worthless son of theirs for many years prior to what happened to Natalee.  I believe by that time it was second nature to them.

What I'm still unsure of, is whether or not Anita was aware of her own husband's involvement in what they did to Natalee.

Me too!  Joran was lying through his teeth in the Range Rover recording when he stated that his father was at home sleeping throughout all the happenings encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway.

When Beth Holloway's words are considered ... could it be that images of the major characters in the Natalee Holloway case began appearing in the media circuit and ... Madison recognized Paulus van der Sloot as the "older man" who was already sitting at the Black Jack table when Natalee and her arrived ... Paulus van der Sloot who was suppose to have left the casino during the Poker game sometime earlier.

Lies are meant to cover the truth.  What truth was Paulus van der Sloot covering?

Janet

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Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
December 14, 2006

PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/

[Kermit]

THERE'S A REASON ONE HUNG-LOW HAS THAT ZIPPER OPEN

[Edward]

Arbeejay.. her daughter the last one to talk with Natalee.

I remember when Arbeejay arrived at the "forum" "VisitAruba" ..
 Sandrak was there at that Forum. So was I.

I remember it well..

Later on her daughter said Natalee was quiet.. Not talking much and she was not touching Joran at all. Then she lost sight of Natalee when she went around a corner.
Nobody had seen where Natalee gets into the car.
Joran and Natalee walking with Deepak could have reentered Carlos and Charles from a rear entrance.

The other fellow that thought he had seen Natalee get into the car may have may not have..

The only thing that put Natalee in that car was the Bus Stop Witness.. IF that was true.



 

[Tamikosmom]

I am encouraged when I read the Abrams Report but ... then I read the statement from the Superior Court of California.  Does this court document which exonerates Jamie Skeeters' of wrongdoing imply that the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording may differ from  words on the hard drive?

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'The Abrams Report' - December 2, 2005

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: … I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got.  We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive.

All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version.  This is what actually came from the hard drive.  Here it is.
 
(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS:  Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED).  You know?  I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.
 
KALPOE:  Yes, she did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf

Janet - all I believe the Court was saying in that particular sentence was that it has proven that Jamie Skeeter had no part of, or control over the production of the Dr Phil Show.

therefore - IF wrongdoing has occurred on that show, Jamie could in no way have been invovled.

However, what that entire ruling taken as a whole also tells me is.......  Jamie Skeeter's hard drive said EXACTLY what he said it did.  On many cable news shows.

Therefore, he was not liable for any defamation or libel for what he stated on those news shows.

I still am having a difficult time regarding many aspects of this defamation case.  It is so hard for me to comprehend that the Kalpoes (Aruba) would have file this defamation lawsuit knowing that the outcome would reveal ... beyond all speculation that is out there ... that Deepak claimed that the "we" had sex with Natalee Holloway.

Anyways ... when all is said and done ... I am hoping my suspicions are wrong and ... the Abram's Report recording of Skeeters' hard drive is correct and ... the Kalpoes/Aurba are going to loose big time ... in more ways than one.

Janet

[Kermit]

Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
December 14, 2006

PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/

Beth said after she and Greta went into Paulus house (when he was hiding in the bushes) that she could tell that Natalee had been inside that home. I trust a mother's instinct. 

[sharon]

Janet - on your own Myspace account you could put Margaritaville or anything.  Deepak was in Aruba in 2007 or at least most of 2007.   You don't have to be honest about your location or birthdate or anything.  Most people don't think about it and put their usual information/location/birthdate.

Thank you Klaas.

Good Night All.

Janet

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The pdf states on page 6 that Deepak failed to declare that he 'attended' the International Christian Academy in Miami, FL in 2004 ?????

Why would they care if he took the course online??

This is a Visa application discussion. Why would that even be discussed if he took the course online?

Just curious.

Regarding Sharon's question quoted above, my interpretation was that both Deepak and Satish had filed for a Visa but each time had inconsistencies or omissions.  In other words, Deepak filed and omitted the Miami school, then later may have included it and a red flag came up. 

From personal experience in filing government forms for my Dad or our personal use, all info has to be filled in and documentation attached.  If not, denial will be forthcoming.  (my experience does not include Visas, but I would think Homeland Security would be strict on this). 

It seemed obvious to me that all schools attended were to be listed.  I have lost touch with a co-worker who was sponsored by our employer to get her working Visa when she married and came to the states from India.  When she sought her green card later, she and her husband had to travel to Canada (don't recall why), rather than NYC (as before) and it took a couple of days there before all of the necessary paperwork and further requirements were attained.  I remember there were many papers to be submitted and the night she stood by the copy machine trying to make the deadline. 

Oh, and Good Morning, everyone.  I got sleepy earlier than usual last night and missed the late night discussion once again.

 

Thanks for trying to help me understand 2NJ 

I move cruise line crew from every country around the world to every country around the world. I've heard of every type of Visa with every letter in the alphabet followed by numbers.

I have never heard of needing to apply for a Visa because you are taking an online course in another country.

I thought the pleading was trying to point out that he's managed to go thru the visa application process before -- why can't he apply correctly now?

I must be going thru one of these 'dumber than rocks' phases.

Never mind.....moving right along   

Thanks.

[Kermit]

Arbeejay.. her daughter the last one to talk with Natalee.

I remember when Arbeejay arrived at the "forum" "VisitAruba" ..
 Sandrak was there at that Forum. So was I.

I remember it well..

Later on her daughter said Natalee was quiet.. Not talking much and she was not touching Joran at all. Then she lost sight of Natalee when she went around a corner.
Nobody had seen where Natalee gets into the car.
Joran and Natalee walking with Deepak could have reentered Carlos and Charles from a rear entrance.

The other fellow that thought he had seen Natalee get into the car may have may not have..

The only thing that put Natalee in that car was the Bus Stop Witness.. IF that was true.

Yeah there is a little ally as you walk along that street and it is possible to have led her down that to where Deepak's car was parked.

[Edward]

That see through blouse again.. My eyes hurt.. !!

[Anna]

One more time.

Please look at the quote on page 11, of the document you are quoting:

There is very little competent evidence offered by Plaintiffs (K2) to support falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements that Plaintiffs has sex with Holloway, and/or potentially drugged her and had non-consensual sex with her on the night of her disappearance. There is the purported order from the court in Aruba affirming the trial judge's decision to reject a request by the prosecutor to detain Plaintiffs. Even assuming this translation is admissible, it is not proof that Plaintiffs did not have sex with Holloway.....

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf

If there is an NFI document, where is it?  Why would they not attach it?  Probably because the suit is actually backed by The Strategic Task Force wanting money for the "boycott" revenge.  Their goal was to bring the big bad American to his knees with a big payout.



Even if the tape is proved false, that is not enough for a payout.  You must prove injury.  How does K2 seek damages (show injury) if Deepak is recorded saying "My life is over".  That obviously was his feeling BEFORE the tape aired (not caused by the airing).  That is also the reason they want the documents.  It is important for Dr. Phil to establish K2s reputation was BAD before the tape aired....The show did not do it.

Howdy Buckeye.

And that's the rub, isnt' it?  There has never been an official written NFI forensic analysis that has surfaced.  Anywhere.

The ONLY thing we the public have ever seen/heard is an editorial that the NFI found the IMAGES to have been altered.

Nothing about the AUDIO.

Remember also that Jamie Skeeters gave his hard drive directly to the FBI.  And the FBI analyzed it.  Can't wait for Paramount, CBS, Dr Phil etc, etc to pull that Whammy out of their pockets!!

And then if you'll remember......there was info put together by a deer friend of mine when Aruba (Arlene Schippers) tried to publicly denounce this whole Skeeters/Deepak recording.

On a Dan Abrams show - they compared 3 copies of that recording.

1 - Jamie Skeeter's hard drive

2 - Dr Phil Show snippet

3 - Aruba's copy

The only copy that deviated from "She did.  You'd be surprised how simple it was", was the copy ARUBA gave to Dan Abrams that Arlene was screeching about.

Meaning?  Aruba themselves manipulated the sound to try and paint the picture that Jamie and Dr Phil were lying for ratings purposes. 

I agree with you 100% that it is AHATA behind the suit filed by 2K.  I believe Paramount is of that same opinion - as they stated when this first started that not only do they stand behind what was aired on the Dr Phil Show, but that they would also make every effort to discover just who was funding this suit on 2K's behalf.

Yep, there it is.  It's the ARUBAN version that had Arlene screaming.  She was screaming there was no Aruban version but there was with a bad Deepak voice over, lol.

Not even a good try.  How stupid do they think we are?

Tape not the main issue.  Defamation is and Deepak says on the tape his life is ALREADY screwed so what's with blaming Dr. Phil later?

Also, yes AHATA financed because no one else would have the money to hire attorneys in this manner.

[Edward]

I trust this mothers instinct too. She knew Natalee was at that house and I believe her.

Beth Rocks !

[Kermit]

I still am having a difficult time regarding many aspects of this defamation case.  It is so hard for me to comprehend that the Kalpoes (Aruba) would have file this defamation lawsuit knowing that the outcome would reveal ... beyond all speculation that is out there ... that Deepak claimed that the "we" had sex with Natalee Holloway.

Anyways ... when all is said and done ... I am hoping my suspicions are wrong and ... the Abram's Report recording of Skeeters' hard drive is correct and ... the Kalpoes/Aurba are going to loose big time ... in more ways than one.

Janet

I think it's a frivolous lawsuit. But if you think about it - the Kalpoes are the ones at risk and have been. The lawsuit gets thrown out because they won't comply to the Judges orders then who pays their attorneys bills? Kalpoes? That is when the devil is going to leave them and they'll be on their own with their hands in their pockets one night with a suicide note that makes it look as though they were despondent over their debt.

[Kermit]

I trust this mothers instinct too. She knew Natalee was at that house and I believe her.

Beth Rocks !

I agree.

[Tamikosmom]

Tell MaMa - JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING KALPOES

 

If you're smart - you'll get your Visa and come to America and go into the witness protection program by giving all the information to our authorities.

If only ...

 

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OPRAH WINFREY SHOW - January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: We’ve never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we’ve relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml