Natalee Case Discussion #828 1/28/10 - 2/14/10

[jen3560]

Here is the factual info on the blood found in Deepak's car, and the testing of it done by the FBI.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/05/blood-not-cleaning-fluid.html

[jen3560]

Slightly altered photo of Renfro at Izaira Mansur's birthday party, uploaded to web on 2/3/2010:   





http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=332

Klaas - I honesty can't see what alterations you made?  Changed the color of her dress perhaps? 

[Kermit]

Just catching up and I really enjoy all the posts by all Monkeys...
This thread is alive with the hope that the Dr. Phil trial goes forward, and disposition of k2 in LA...
I have always thought, like many of you, that paulass was directly involved the night Natalee went missing, and I always felt she was at the sloot hellhole. For me, it came clear when the photo at the blackjack table with paulass next to Natalee and her obvious discomfort....
What I think will be very interesting as the deposition/trial date approaches......how long k2 survives....if k2 appears for deposition...if the lawsuit goes to trial.......the longer it goes towards a trial....the worst it would seem it gets for k2/paulass/ahata/aruba......when will the powers that be deem k2 a liability.....and disappear them.......

If Natalee died from 151 and date rape drugs, doesn't it seem likely that Joran would have just dropped her off on the beach and if he was interrogated he would not be found guilty because she drank the drink & no evidence to him.

BUT what if he had sex with her? Still he would not be found guilty because he could say it was consensual and she died from the alcohol and drugs she took.

BUT what if his father's sperm is found inside Natalee? What if there is evidence of injury on her? Remember there is a reason they said she fell down and hit her head. (so if her body was found they wanted to alibi her head injuries as self inflicted). If it's Paulus - that changes who is arrested and their whole families status on the island and in the Netherlands and with their mafia cohorts. The ONLY way to cover it up is to get rid of her body so no evidence that would connect the so-called judge to a crime of rape of a little 18 year old American girl. The so-called judge who worked with all the other judges and was friends with them, who had connections and information about off-shore banking and businesses that HE SET UP.

The so-called judge who after a long flight home from the Netherlands went out that night to gamble and talked to the little 18 year old American blonde tourist named Natalee Holloway. Who suddenly went home and then his son arrived and they planned what and who would be the target = Natalee Holloway. The so-called Judge is the one that gathered the boys around the pool in his backyard the next day and helped them get their stories straight and hired attorney's for the Kalpoes. What kind of so-called Judge and father would do such a thing rather then go look for the little 18 year old girl he had talked to in the casino the night before? What kind of so-called judge is up on his computer looking up drugs, alcohol and attorney's on the internet? It couldn't be for any case because he wasn't an attorney sworn in yet.

I'll tell you what kind of so-called judge would do that - GUILTY ONE!

The scum bag let his son take the rap. He smuggled in a cell phone to his son as a so-called judge.

It's all about perception he told the media.

They all covered up for Paulus because he could bring them all down.

[Kermit]

Slightly altered photo of Renfro at Izaira Mansur's birthday party, uploaded to web on 2/3/2010:   





http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=332

Klaas - I honesty can't see what alterations you made?  Changed the color of her dress perhaps? 

I think Klassend gave her a tanned look is what is it is.

[klaasend]

Looks like Mark JR is back in Aruba working at Buster's Garage.  I thought he was in Florida at a piano bar?

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

Just a thought......
It really isn't about k2...
it is about the ahata hired attorneys and Dr. Phil attorneys......whoever blinks first....
who is paying for k2 is the key......follow the money goes a long way in discovering the agenda of the lawsuit....

And Paramount is not blinking!  They made that very clear when this suit was first filed.

You can bet your bippy they've done what they promised to do - everything within their power to uncover who was funding this suit on 2K's behalf.

Watch 2k run now.  Watch Paramount, CBS, Dr Phil et al be awarded legal fees.  Watch AHATA be named by Paramount - with proof - as the money machine behind this suit. 

This will be a huge win for Paramount, CBS and Dr. Phil and maybe set some precedent in law. I don't think it's likely they will settle.

 

[Edward]

Silicone 

[Kermit]

Kermit ... seriously.

I believe that once the defamation lawsuit has concluded and ... the Natalee Holloway case fades completely from media attention ... the Kalpoes' days on earth are numbered IF they do not come forward to the FBI with the WHOLE truth and seek asylum in the States.

Aruba and Holland cannot take a chance that the knowledge which Deepak and Satish possess pertaining to the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared and ... those who participated in those events ... would be exposed at some future date.  Exposure could be motivated by greed or conscience.  Either way ... the "powers that be" behind the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway  know that the Aruban house of cards would collapse if the Kalpoes talk.

Janet

I agree. Their usefulness will  be over. And they may think they have more information that could expose judges etc. but information is only good if you are alive and well.
 

Exactly!!

Kermit ... hopefully the Kalpoes have this figured out.  If the Aruban "powers that be" do not stand in the way ... maybe Deepak and Satish will catch a flight ... leave Aruban soil for the last time and ... hightail it to the States in time for the disposition.

When the alternative is considered ... placing themselves at the mercy of the American Justice System ... in exchange for asylum/witness protection ... would appear to be in their best interest.

Good Morning All.

Janet
9:10 AM PT
 

Exactly. Once they set foot on American soil all dynamics change. As Joran learned.

Deepak and Satish could work at 7-11 anywhere in the U.S. under the witness protection program and no one would know the difference.

ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CONTACT THE FBI and START TELLING THE TRUTH - OR
continue to be morons!

[klaasend]

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2010/01/30/michell-and-patrick-are-wed/

Looks like the rumor about Patrick Boset and Renfro splitting up is true.  He just got married:




Sat
30
Jan
Michelle and Patrick are wed
Rona Coster

Michelle and PatrickSurrounded by family members and friends Michelle Marlenee & Patrick Boset tied the knot at the Aruba city hall on Wilhelminastraat, at a civil ceremony presided over by government official Beto Christiaans. The exchange of wedding rings and vows was followed by a garden reception around the pool at the couple’s residence in Nuna, catered and decorated by friends and entertained by C-Zar Olarte and Angelo Figueroa.

Pictured here Michelle, Patrick and their lovely daughters Gabriella, Daniela and Martha, wedding witnesses Christina Escobedo, Jeanette Keith, Orietta Mansur, Barbra Bregita and Izaira Arrindell and the rest of the couple’s well-wishing friends.


Author:
Rona Coster
Time:
Saturday, January 30th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

[Kermit]

What would happen if the Kalpoes died before they could be deposed?

  Wow, didn't think about that.  Could mama Kalpoe continue with the suit?

Or, would it be the Kalpoe Estate     

I think if Mama Kalpoe had a lick of sense she would let it drop.

Right but we all know that Deepak lies to Mama.

Deepak: Mama I'm dropping the case.

Mama: Oh good Deepak you listen to Mama.

Deepak: Yes Mama I always listen to you.  Now can you pack my bags I need to go to the U.S. and visit Disneyland in California.

Mama: Deepak what a good idea can Mama come.

Deepak: Mama I think you should stay home with Satish and help him graduate High School.  Besides they say Disneyland looks like a courthouse now.

Mama: Really why would they do that.

Deepak: I don't know Mama but they have this game called sue Dr. Phil and I think I can win.

Mama:  Deepak, Mama don't like that game.

Deepak: Don't worry Mama I heard the people in the U.S. are nice.  Especially the ones who look like a Monkey behind bars and Kermit the Frog.

I'll show them around town.

[jen3560]

Slightly altered photo of Renfro at Izaira Mansur's birthday party, uploaded to web on 2/3/2010:   





http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=332

Klaas - I honesty can't see what alterations you made?  Changed the color of her dress perhaps? 

I think Klassend gave her a tanned look is what is it is.

AH!  That's it.  I missed that.  Thanks dearheart! 

[Kermit]

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2010/01/30/michell-and-patrick-are-wed/

Looks like the rumor about Patrick Boset and Renfro splitting up is true.  He just got married:




Sat
30
Jan
Michelle and Patrick are wed
Rona Coster

Michelle and PatrickSurrounded by family members and friends Michelle Marlenee & Patrick Boset tied the knot at the Aruba city hall on Wilhelminastraat, at a civil ceremony presided over by government official Beto Christiaans. The exchange of wedding rings and vows was followed by a garden reception around the pool at the couple’s residence in Nuna, catered and decorated by friends and entertained by C-Zar Olarte and Angelo Figueroa.

Pictured here Michelle, Patrick and their lovely daughters Gabriella, Daniela and Martha, wedding witnesses Christina Escobedo, Jeanette Keith, Orietta Mansur, Barbra Bregita and Izaira Arrindell and the rest of the couple’s well-wishing friends.


Author:
Rona Coster
Time:
Saturday, January 30th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

The wife is rather pretty.

[Magnolia]

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2010/01/30/michell-and-patrick-are-wed/

Looks like the rumor about Patrick Boset and Renfro splitting up is true.  He just got married:




Sat
30
Jan
Michelle and Patrick are wed
Rona Coster

Michelle and PatrickSurrounded by family members and friends Michelle Marlenee & Patrick Boset tied the knot at the Aruba city hall on Wilhelminastraat, at a civil ceremony presided over by government official Beto Christiaans. The exchange of wedding rings and vows was followed by a garden reception around the pool at the couple’s residence in Nuna, catered and decorated by friends and entertained by C-Zar Olarte and Angelo Figueroa.

Pictured here Michelle, Patrick and their lovely daughters Gabriella, Daniela and Martha, wedding witnesses Christina Escobedo, Jeanette Keith, Orietta Mansur, Barbra Bregita and Izaira Arrindell and the rest of the couple’s well-wishing friends.


Author:
Rona Coster
Time:
Saturday, January 30th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

I'll bet that frosted Renfro's chops. 

[Tamikosmom]

Considering the Aruban Prime Minister claimed the presence of blood in Deepak's vehicle ... logic dictates that the sample sent to the FBI lab at Quantico was not the swatch cut from Deepak's vehicle.  Only Aruba can turn blood into chocolate.

Janet

+++++++++

THE BLOOD?

Nancy Grace - October 14, 2005

NANCE GRACE, HOST:  I want to talk to you about the prime minister`s statement, the Aruban prime minister, who went public and stated there was blood found in the car.  Remember?

BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ... On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html
 

FOX NEWS  - June 16, 2005

An FBI spokeswoman confirmed to FOX News that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the bureau's lab in Quantico, Va. The FBI had been asked to process what was believed to be blood found in a car belonging to one of the suspects, but after testing, it was determined not to be blood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159730,00.html


Nance Grace - October 4, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:  Had they gone to the -- and impounded that car that day -- the FBI told us there was blood all in the car.  The prosecutor said the FBI said there was blood in the car. But for some reason or another, when they sent it off, they say now it`s all cleaning fluid. Well, who knows. I know they had nine days to clean the car.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Dana Pretzer Show - July 3, 2005

Art Wood:
As far as other searches where evidence was found, we were lead to believe that blood was found in the Kalpoe car. The police stated on world television that blood was found and was send to Holland. When the report came back it was stated that it was cleaning fluid and chocolate. I don't know of any test, any initial test whether Luminol or other chemical which would show a positive for cleaning...it's elementary police work, you know from crime scene searches. There are very few substances that show up as blood that isn't.

Could it be a time zone issue?  It appears the blood samples taken from Dave and Beth occurred one day following a generated report from the FBI lab.

Why was Natalee's family and the media led to believe by the FBI lab that blood was not detected on the swatch sent to them?

Could the term "blood sample comparison" have more than one interpretation?

Just wondering.

Janet

+++++++

Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135


Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba


Name/Title: taking of swab samples, Blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty / Dave Edward Holloway
File No: R00906/r00898 / b9109/b8987
Date: 10 June 2005 / 14:40
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Silvio Gilberto Ras
Description: Swab Samples, Blood samples from: Beth Ann Twitty I Dave
Edward Holloway
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr. 667/2005
Location: Aruba

[Kermit]

Now I could be wrong....

but I thought the Kalpoes have to get those Visas and come to Chicago to
give depositions before the trial in Los Angles can begin.  Is that the way it
is?

It would seem that they could come to give the deposition on just a visitior's
visa, which is not that hared to obtain.

Magnolia, I don't really know if they have to give a deposition in Chicago before the trial, but agree that a visitor's visa probably would be what they would need to come here.  You are probaby right...I just don't remember everything.

It just doesn't make sense that the second time they filed, with help from the embassy or an immigration consultant that the applications were still incomplete and were denied.  As others have stated, it seems it's deliberate on their part or at the advise of their attorneys.  As the document said, they could have appealed the denials and sought to have everything cleared if they had good intentions of answering the request of the court.

The kalpoes are the PLAINTIFFS -- if they can't come to the US to be deposed -- they CAN'T bring suit here. It is really pretty simple.

I know that if the law firm in Chicago wants the Kalpoes to come to Chicago to
be deposed, they can call in a Senator or Representative to fast track the visa
through the red tape.  It can be done in two days.

You are correct. I have had my passport fast-tracked before for me.

[jen3560]

Could it be a time zone issue?  It appears the blood samples taken from Dave and Beth occurred one day following a generated report from the FBI lab.

Why was Natalee's family and the media led to believe by the FBI lab that blood was not detected on the swatch sent to them?

Could the term "blood sample comparison" have more than one interpretation?

Just wondering.

Janet

+++++++

Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135


Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba


Name/Title: taking of swab samples, Blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty / Dave Edward Holloway
File No: R00906/r00898 / b9109/b8987
Date: 10 June 2005 / 14:40
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Silvio Gilberto Ras
Description: Swab Samples, Blood samples from: Beth Ann Twitty I Dave
Edward Holloway
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr. 667/2005
Location: Aruba

Not in my world.  A comparison is done between to like samples.  And it does state sampleS, plural.  Meaning the FBI had two or more samples of blood.

It is highly unlikely that a forensic specialist with the FBI would state something as being blood in an official lab report, if it was not in fact blood.

You can compare blood and blood
You can compare chocolate and chocolate
You can compare cleaning fluid and cleaning fluid

You cannot compare blood with anything other than blood in order to do an analysis of said blood.

I think there is a misinterperetation of what is being said about what was stated by whom.

FBI never said blood turned into chocolate/cleaning fluid.  That is presumed due to the way the statement was made.

Check the NFI reports also. 

I liken this to the same thing Arlene Schippers did with her misrepresentation of "She did." and what the NFI allegedly stated as being "She didn't."  In that instance however, we know the only thing the NFI stated was that IMAGES had been altered.  Not audio.

Unfortunately something similar has yet to surface in the issue of blood from Deepak's car to make this clarification again.

[Kermit]

Paulus is a lot of things.. I have never considered him foolish or stupid..
He is extreme intelligent. He is a Viable Chess Opponent.
When it comes to law, He is very sharp and he advises this other lawyer that represents Deepak and Satish.

He very well could be the culprit in any crime against Natalee. We have no way of knowing he is not. It was all set up when Beth and Jug arrived.
All of it by design.. From the kid that told Jug that Joran owned that silver Honda and took them to Jorans house.. "and the car belonged to Deepak"
Then when the police sat in front of the home with sirens on and Paulus stalled for time.
He had thought this whole thing out way before Beth landed.
Do not under estimate this man.

Best thing anyone can do is party at the same Club in L.A. When Deepak and his little shit come to town. Ask some quality questions..Make them feel right at home..
Buy him a drink.
Give him a ride home.... Because friends do not let friends drive home drugged, or something like that.

Edward I completely agree with you. All the focus is on Joran while PAPA has been the culprit.

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit ... seriously.

I believe that once the defamation lawsuit has concluded and ... the Natalee Holloway case fades completely from media attention ... the Kalpoes' days on earth are numbered IF they do not come forward to the FBI with the WHOLE truth and seek asylum in the States.

Aruba and Holland cannot take a chance that the knowledge which Deepak and Satish possess pertaining to the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared and ... those who participated in those events ... would be exposed at some future date.  Exposure could be motivated by greed or conscience.  Either way ... the "powers that be" behind the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway  know that the Aruban house of cards would collapse if the Kalpoes talk.

Janet

I agree. Their usefulness will  be over. And they may think they have more information that could expose judges etc. but information is only good if you are alive and well.
 

Exactly!!

Kermit ... hopefully the Kalpoes have this figured out.  If the Aruban "powers that be" do not stand in the way ... maybe Deepak and Satish will catch a flight ... leave Aruban soil for the last time and ... hightail it to the States in time for the disposition.

When the alternative is considered ... placing themselves at the mercy of the American Justice System ... in exchange for asylum/witness protection ... would appear to be in their best interest.

Good Morning All.

Janet
9:10 AM PT
 

Exactly. Once they set foot on American soil all dynamics change. As Joran learned.

Deepak and Satish could work at 7-11 anywhere in the U.S. under the witness protection program and no one would know the difference.

ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CONTACT THE FBI and START TELLING THE TRUTH - OR
continue to be morons!

If the Kalpoes are offered asylum or witness protection ... the Aruban Justice Minister would alledge that the FBI are interfering in an ongoing Aruban criminal investigation.  It would be a can of worms but ... after five long years ... Natalee Holloway's parents will have been afforded the "confirmed" truth regarding the disappearance of their daughter.

 

Janet

[jen3560]

This was posted in the Haleigh thread, and I wanted to bring this here.

We all know how much Tim did for Natalee, and the hundreds of other missing persons he has dedicated his life to finding.

Please send Tim and his wife your thoughts and prayers.

Prayer Thread here
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7060.0


Prayer Request for Georgeann Miller, Wife of Tim Miller
Posted on 03. Feb, 2010 by smckinney.


02/03/10 — Tim Miller’s wife, Georgeann, has been diagnosed with the dreadful illness bone cancer. She and Tim are now making preparations for her much-needed treatments at one of the finest facilities in the world. Tim and Georgeann will let us all know when they decide they are ready to accept visitors or calls. Tim is devastated, and he is not really able to give his concentrated efforts to Texas EquuSearch at this time. We have counted on Tim to make many of our search decisions for years, but naturally, right now, all of his thoughts and concerns are about Georgeann. Tim will be contacting some of our various members and other TES associates from time-to-time, but he does not wish to receive any calls whatsoever at this point. He has been the Founder and Director of this organization for more than ten years … and he still rightfully remains so. He has specifically requested that no persons attempt to contact him by phone – or by any other means. Everyone will know when Tim feels he is ready to return to work. Let’s all please respect and honor his wishes, and let others know likewise. Any updates will be issued through this office. Tim has prayed for hundreds if not thousands of people during their time of need over the years. Now it’s time for all of us to pray for Tim and Georgeanne in their time of need. If you wish to leave you thoughts, prayers and well wishes, please leave a comment on this post. We will make sure Tim and Georgeann get them all. Thank you so much.