Natalee Case Discussion #828 1/28/10 - 2/14/10

[SuzieQ]

Is it just wishful thinking on my part, or does anyone else think there is any resemblance between Mark Jr. and this sketch? I wish we knew when he went back to Aruba.

This sketch is a composit of someone seen leaving a Miami nightclub behind a blonde model that was killed Jan. 03.

[Magnolia]

Just catching up and I really enjoy all the posts by all Monkeys...
This thread is alive with the hope that the Dr. Phil trial goes forward, and disposition of k2 in LA...
I have always thought, like many of you, that paulass was directly involved the night Natalee went missing, and I always felt she was at the sloot hellhole. For me, it came clear when the photo at the blackjack table with paulass next to Natalee and her obvious discomfort....
What I think will be very interesting as the deposition/trial date approaches......how long k2 survives....if k2 appears for deposition...if the lawsuit goes to trial.......the longer it goes towards a trial....the worst it would seem it gets for k2/paulass/ahata/aruba......when will the powers that be deem k2 a liability.....and disappear them.......

If Natalee died from 151 and date rape drugs, doesn't it seem likely that Joran would have just dropped her off on the beach and if he was interrogated he would not be found guilty because she drank the drink & no evidence to him.

BUT what if he had sex with her? Still he would not be found guilty because he could say it was consensual and she died from the alcohol and drugs she took.

BUT what if his father's sperm is found inside Natalee? What if there is evidence of injury on her? Remember there is a reason they said she fell down and hit her head. (so if her body was found they wanted to alibi her head injuries as self inflicted). If it's Paulus - that changes who is arrested and their whole families status on the island and in the Netherlands and with their mafia cohorts. The ONLY way to cover it up is to get rid of her body so no evidence that would connect the so-called judge to a crime of rape of a little 18 year old American girl. The so-called judge who worked with all the other judges and was friends with them, who had connections and information about off-shore banking and businesses that HE SET UP.

The so-called judge who after a long flight home from the Netherlands went out that night to gamble and talked to the little 18 year old American blonde tourist named Natalee Holloway. Who suddenly went home and then his son arrived and they planned what and who would be the target = Natalee Holloway. The so-called Judge is the one that gathered the boys around the pool in his backyard the next day and helped them get their stories straight and hired attorney's for the Kalpoes. What kind of so-called Judge and father would do such a thing rather then go look for the little 18 year old girl he had talked to in the casino the night before? What kind of so-called judge is up on his computer looking up drugs, alcohol and attorney's on the internet? It couldn't be for any case because he wasn't an attorney sworn in yet.

I'll tell you what kind of so-called judge would do that - GUILTY ONE!

The scum bag let his son take the rap. He smuggled in a cell phone to his son as a so-called judge.

It's all about perception he told the media.

They all covered up for Paulus because he could bring them all down.

Kermit,
This is such a good article and so true. 
There is no law in Aruba that cannot be over-ridden by power and a little blackmail.
Even rape and murder are OK if you know the right people or the right secrets.

[sharon]

http://www.pianoloungesobe.com/The_Piano_Lounge-Fan-Gallery-2.php

Someone with better eyes than me -- 11th row down.....ernie??

I find it interesting that the lower right corner of the home page scrolls thru advertisements for bars in Aruba.

The 'seedy' network is alive and well.

It is nuts here the past 2 weeks -- with the pinnacle this weekend. Ocean Drive on Miami Beach was closed yesterday morning until Monday -- lots and lots and lots of VIP's and parties. And booze. And violence. All in the name of the Super Bowl.

Have a great day monkey friends 

[klaasend]

http://www.pianoloungesobe.com/The_Piano_Lounge-Fan-Gallery-2.php

Someone with better eyes than me -- 11th row down.....ernie??

I find it interesting that the lower right corner of the home page scrolls thru advertisements for bars in Aruba.

The 'seedy' network is alive and well.

It is nuts here the past 2 weeks -- with the pinnacle this weekend. Ocean Drive on Miami Beach was closed yesterday morning until Monday -- lots and lots and lots of VIP's and parties. And booze. And violence. All in the name of the Super Bowl.

Have a great day monkey friends 

Good eye but I don't think it's him.  Ernesto is better looking.  Here's a comparison of Ernesto from 2006 and the photo you pointed out:



Ernesto's myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/227493

http://www.myspace.com/105566154

Ernesto's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=ernesto+arambatzis&init=quick#!/arambatzis?v=wall&ref=sgm

[sharon]

Thanks klaas. Definitely not the same.

But it was possible Certainly ernie's type of hangout 

Interesting tidbit I ran across.......So I know transfer ernie over to you 

http://sobepedia.net/sobepedia/node/201

ARAMBATZIS, ERNESTO
Mon, 01/04/2010 - 13:20 — Cubby

SOURCE: Memory and www.southbeach-usa.com.
Ernesto Arambatzis made his name on the South Beach nightlife scene as a promoter and scenester. He first hit the radar as one of the attractive gay boys who worked with and hung out with nightlife impresario Gerry Kelly. Later Arambatzis found his wings and his own career as a promoter and marketer of nightlife events. Tony Miros, “Mr. Nightlife,” called Ernesto Arambatzis one of the two most photographed men in South Beach. Arambatzis hosted a party at the restaurant/lounge Rumi called The Loft. Arambatzis now resides in West Hollywood, California and has his own company EA Creative Events.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_68443.php

Google translation:

"Frames FATF too narrow '

February 5, 2010, 13:13 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Aruba is a small island with a slow legislative process and lack enough lawyers. This makes it difficult for the standards of the Financial Action Taskforce (FATF) to get. The Task Force uses these frameworks, are also too tight, find Ellen Kuster, High Commissioner of Aruba Financial Center.

FATF mutual evaluation report uses in its strict frameworks, Kuster said. "A mutual evaluation report made by a group of your peers. They are in their assessment, however strictly to instructions given by the FATF. There will not be departed from. It should really be as they want, "said Kuster. In its proposed Aruba terrorism indeed punishable, it is only included in the legislation on the threat of the monarchy. "For 9 / 11 was for the FATF no point, but since the terrorist attacks, they want every country separate legislation provides for the financing of terrorism. Countries that otherwise have described, according to FATF simply have not. "Aruba is a member of Task Force, the Caribbean branch of FATF. "Their criteria are somewhat looser and they take more account of local culture. Some things with you in the straitjacket of the stamp immediately FATF non-compliant will be at CATF perhaps been seen as partially compliant. "

Aruba has always had good numbers of financial institutions like the IMF and Fitch Ratings received. The recommendations of FATF, according Kuster shot at in a bit. "For some reason, nobody thought that Aruba could not meet the standards. When we got the report, was hit hard. "Aruban FATF committee, which also Kuster member, has a number of objections in the report. Among others on the legal AVV. A delegation last July to the headquarters of FATF in Paris went to the objections to argue. "But when they went in one ear and out the other."

The High Commissioner denies that bodies like the Central Bank, the Unusual Transactions Reporting Center and the Public Ministry have done nothing to prepare for the current situation, including the current Minister of Finance earlier in the newspaper said. And so that Aruba is currently below thirteen of the sixteen main criteria of the FATF. "Our legislative process can take years. Changes worldwide are becoming increasingly quicker pace. The threat of terrorism, but also by the economic crisis FATF is increasingly small and increasingly rapid changes. Do you want to track properly, you must quickly adapt legislation. The legislative process in Anglo-Saxon countries, better than our legislative process. "According to Kuster is likely that legislation to Aruba for FATF already outdated when it finally on the table. "Then they call it so non-compliant or partially. So we continue to progress. "She also believes that politics plays a role. "If we change a law on Aruba, we must sometimes take into account that we are part of a Kingdom which in turn is part of the European Union."

Mill
Not only will Aruba by the FATF-mill, the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles are this year's turn. "It may well be that they are less well off the bus," said Kuster. It claims that no country 100 percent compliant. The High Commissioner is expected that Aruba is the minimum of ten of the sixteen main criteria can get. "Aruba Financial Center now has an excellent opportunity to address the issues surrounding legal right to look good."

Then there is the problem of the lack of legislative lawyers. "Not only here but also in the Netherlands Antilles and even there is a shortage. We believe that Aruba is the Aruban must ensure that law students can return to Aruba. The fact that the civil service here a bad name, it does not help. This should also change, "concludes Kuster.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_68426.php

Google translation:

"Government does not dictate parliamentary agenda '

February 5, 2010, 12:51 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - State Chairman Andy Lee (ASF) calls the allegation of his colleague, Juan David Yrausquin (ASF) that the Government's agenda would provide the States, "in fact not correct. The divisions within the Greens this was announced yesterday. Herde said the leader Rene Yrausquin action, in a press release expressing his displeasure, regret.

Parliamentary Yrausquin convicted in that message the object of the debate would take place today on the negative findings of Financial Action Taskforce (FATF) on Aruba. AVP PDR and asked to explain the debate to get the government on what actions they undertake. These actions should be prevented from Aruba on the FATF black list ends. According Yrausquin the debate at the last minute called off at the insistence of the government and moved to next Wednesday. He stated in his press release that the parliament representing the nation and highest government body in the system in this way subordinated to the government when the calendar dictates.

States President Lee says contrast with several parties must take account, including the Registry, but also the government. He says there were two petitions to the public meeting to oppose FATF, an MEP of the Group and one of the government. "The MEP group wanted to oppose or at least temporarily suspend the meeting as one of the party members today to the funeral of a family should. I got the government's request to move because they needed more time claims to have some important decisions to make. "Furthermore, Minister Arthur Dower (AVP) of Justice and Education, whose presence during the debate by the ASF and PDR-groups were invited, only yesterday arrived from the Netherlands. Lee: "You want that on such an important meeting, all parties arrive well prepared. The point is that the meeting goes well. "Eventually, the ASF Group accept the later date, said the President of Parliament.
Rene Fractievoorzitter therefore regrets the action of Herde colleague Yrausquin. "We have respect for each other and there is constant discussion within each group. But this is not good. Ultimately we as a team work. "The fact that Yrausquin through a PR agency on its own a press release circulated in which he expressed his displeasure, is still something that should be discussed within the group, said Herde. "We are a group of twelve people. We have therefore mutually agree on what tools we use as a team. "Public Meeting on FATF States is now Wednesday, February 10th from half past eight in the morning.

[klaasend]

For future reference. 

Renfro's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=marlene+purcell&init=quick#!/profile.php?v=info&ref=mf&id=1588057630

Interesting that Wendy Terry (the one who when to the FBI, the one who is a friend of Deepak, the one who used to post at SM) is a friend of Julia Renfro's on Myspace:



http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1053984693


Note to self:  If you ever thought Wendy Terry was on "our" side, think again.

[Tamikosmom]

For future reference. 

Renfro's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=marlene+purcell&init=quick#!/profile.php?v=info&ref=mf&id=1588057630

Interesting that Wendy Terry (the one who when to the FBI, the one who is a friend of Deepak, the one who used to post at SM) is a friend of Julia Renfro's on Myspace:



http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1053984693


Note to self:  If you ever thought Wendy Terry was on "our" side, think again.

Klaas ... is Wendy Terry the friend of Deepak Kalpoe who was asked to provide an alibi for him following the gardener's court testimony.  Instead ... she contacts the FBI.

Thanks.

Janet

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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 178:  According to others present in the courtroom, Deepak appears very nervous when he hears the gardener's statement.  He panics.  And according to the FBI, contacts a young lady to ask her to lie for him.  The young lady calls the FBI in the States and reports that Deepak asked her to give him an alibi for the night Natalee disappeared.  They are trying to locate this girl.  She says she "doesn't want to get involved" and doesn't leave her name.  It's very hard to trace her number between international cell towers, but her information is riveting, and very, very important.

   

[klaasend]

Janet - yes

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - yes

Thanks.

[Tamikosmom]

For future reference. 

Renfro's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=marlene+purcell&init=quick#!/profile.php?v=info&ref=mf&id=1588057630

Interesting that Wendy Terry (the one who when to the FBI, the one who is a friend of Deepak, the one who used to post at SM) is a friend of Julia Renfro's on Myspace:



http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1053984693


Note to self:  If you ever thought Wendy Terry was on "our" side, think again.

Friends with Julia Renfro?  Klaas ... a friendship with Julia Renfro is where I draw the line in the sand also.  A friendship with Julia Renfro is when I begin asking the hard questions ... each question beginning with "Why?".

Janet

[klaasend]

Janet - yes

Thanks.

From the privilege log, Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil:

Name/Title/Description: Interview with Wendy Terry
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Dallas, Texas
Writer/Initiator: SA J. Brooke Donahue


Name/Title: Chat session review
Date: 30 August /2005
Pages: 6
File 4:163a-bb-1426
Writer/Initiator: SA William T. Clauss 2
Description: internet chat between Deepak Kalpoe and Wendy Terry
Location: Dallas, Texas

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - yes

Thanks.

From the privilege log, Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil:

Name/Title/Description: Interview with Wendy Terry
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Dallas, Texas
Writer/Initiator: SA J. Brooke Donahue


Name/Title: Chat session review
Date: 30 August /2005
Pages: 6
File 4:163a-bb-1426
Writer/Initiator: SA William T. Clauss 2
Description: internet chat between Deepak Kalpoe and Wendy Terry
Location: Dallas, Texas

Thanks Klaas

Was Wendy Terry in Aruba in August 2005 ... when the gardener gave his court testimony?

Thanks

Janet

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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 178:  According to others present in the courtroom, Deepak appears very nervous when he hears the gardener's statement.  He panics.  And according to the FBI, contacts a young lady to ask her to lie for him.  The young lady calls the FBI in the States and reports that Deepak asked her to give him an alibi for the night Natalee disappeared.  They are trying to locate this girl.  She says she "doesn't want to get involved" and doesn't leave her name.  It's very hard to trace her number between international cell towers, but her information is riveting, and very, very important.

[klaasend]

Janet - I'm not sure about when she was in Aruba after the fact, I'd have to go back and review all my notes. 

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - I'm not sure about when she was in Aruba after the fact, I'd have to go back and review all my notes. 

I would appreciate if I could have some background on what is a revelation to me.  I never realized that the caller to the FBI had been identified.

If Deepak Kalpoe had not been sitting in his vehicle across from the Marriott Beach at 2:30 AM on the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared ... why would he require an alibi that implies otherwise.

Dropping Joran and Natalee off at the beach and ... going home?  Nothing but lies.

The gardener's testimony is affirmed.

Thanks again.

Janet

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Nancy Grace - July 26, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html

[klaasend]

Janet - I'm not sure about when she was in Aruba after the fact, I'd have to go back and review all my notes. 

I would appreciate if I could have some background on what is a revelation to me.  I never realized that the caller to the FBI had been identified.

If Deepak Kalpoe had not been sitting in his vehicle across from the Marriott Beach at 2:30 AM on the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared ... why would he require an alibi that implies otherwise.

Dropping Joran and Natalee off at the beach and ... going home?  Nothing but lies.

The gardener's testimony is affirmed.

Thanks again.

Janet

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Nancy Grace - July 26, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html

From what I recall, when the subject of the gardner witness was brought up to Deepak by Wendy Terry, Deepak became very affraid/upset.   I believe Wendy at that point believed that Deepak was indeed seen by the gardener witness.  It was at that time that Wendy contacted the FBI.  This was all around the same time that Jamie Skeeters was in Aruba getting his interview with Deepak.  Wendy was at home in TX at the time and her conversation with Deepak was via the phone, IIRC.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - I'm not sure about when she was in Aruba after the fact, I'd have to go back and review all my notes. 

I would appreciate if I could have some background on what is a revelation to me.  I never realized that the caller to the FBI had been identified.

If Deepak Kalpoe had not been sitting in his vehicle across from the Marriott Beach at 2:30 AM on the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared ... why would he require an alibi that implies otherwise.

Dropping Joran and Natalee off at the beach and ... going home?  Nothing but lies.

The gardener's testimony is affirmed.

Thanks again.

Janet

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Nancy Grace - July 26, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html

From what I recall, when the subject of the gardner witness was brought up to Deepak by Wendy Terry, Deepak became very affraid/upset.   I believe Wendy at that point believed that Deepak was indeed seen by the gardener witness.  It was at that time that Wendy contacted the FBI.  This was all around the same time that Jamie Skeeters was in Aruba getting his interview with Deepak.  Wendy was at home in TX at the time and her conversation with Deepak was via the phone, IIRC.

Thanks Klaas.

I wonder what the "international towers" ... that Beth Holloway was referring to ... is all about?

Klaas ... what nic did Wendy post under at SM?  Are her posts still accessible?

Janet

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Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony - August 15, 2005

I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday ....

I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes. ....
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony - August 15, 2005
 
I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. ....
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646

[Magnolia]

I think the chat session between Wendy and Deepak is in the court papers.

[Tamikosmom]

From the privilege log, Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil:

Name/Title/Description: Interview with Wendy Terry
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Dallas, Texas
Writer/Initiator: SA J. Brooke Donahue


Name/Title: Chat session review
Date: 30 August /2005
Pages: 6
File 4:163a-bb-1426
Writer/Initiator: SA William T. Clauss 2
Description: internet chat between Deepak Kalpoe and Wendy Terry
Location: Dallas, Texas

Klaas ... considering Dallas, Texas is the location involved ... would Phil McGraw's attorneys have difficulty accessing these records.  In other words .... bypassing Deepak.

Thanks Magnolia.  However ... I do not have a clue

Janet