Natalee Case Discussion #828 1/28/10 - 2/14/10

[Anna]

But remember Deepak did not first learn of the gardener's statement from Wendy Terry but from a Mansur who just happened to also be in jail at the same time as Deepak.  Resulted in Deepak throwing the dominoes.

Yes, for some reason, that gardener always seemed to make Deepak very nervous.  So naturally, he was deported.  At least we were led to believe he was.  I never did really believe that, however.  He had worked for Mansurs for a long time and I believe they could have gotten him a work visa or whatever.

[Keepthefaith]

ROBOTS says it best....
I HATE THEM ALL.......


ditto

[Anna]

Hi, Sharon!

Bet by the time the weekend is over, you won't want to hear "Who Dat!" again, lol.

Gotta say, Go Saints, however!

[billb's daughter]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

NIGHTMARES FOR PVDS

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

 

[Keepthefaith]

Just catching up and I really enjoy all the posts by all Monkeys...
This thread is alive with the hope that the Dr. Phil trial goes forward, and disposition of k2 in LA...

I have always thought, like many of you, that paulass was directly involved the night Natalee went missing, and I always felt she was at the sloot hellhole. For me, it came clear when the photo at the blackjack table with paulass next to Natalee and her obvious discomfort....

What I think will be very interesting as the deposition/trial date approaches......how long k2 survives....if k2 appears for deposition...if the lawsuit goes to trial.......the longer it goes towards a trial....the worst it would seem it gets for k2/paulass/ahata/aruba......when will the powers that be deem k2 a liability.....and disappear them.......

billb ... I theorize that Joran, Deepak, Satish, the sons of the elite and Paulus were all present at the van der Sloot residence doing the unspeakable against the person of Natalee Holloway who appeared to be an unconscious.  I suspect that Natalee had been targeted by Paulus at the casino.

Later Joran, Satish (?) and Deepak took what appeared to be an unconscious Natalee to the beach where the assumption was that she would sleep off the drugs and ... make her way back to the hotel ... pack and ... fly home to Alabama with no recollection of what took place at the van der Sloot residence.  It had been done many times before without incident.

However ... upon arriving at the beach ... Joran, Satish (?) and Deepak realized that Natalee was deceased ...

IMO

Think about the suspicions that warranted the initial detainment of all the suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

+++++++


INITIAL ARRESTS - JUNE, 2005

1.  Joran van der Sllot:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

2.  Deepak Kalpoe:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

3.  Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

4. Steve Croes:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.   

5.  Paulus van der Sloot:  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

SUBSEQUENT ARRESTS - APRIL, 2006

6.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt:  criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

7.  Guido Weaver:  Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen


Diana Emerencia
Associated Press
August 31, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
 
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml


The Gathering - VDS' Residence

Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

First instincts often times turn out to be closest to the truth.....
Kermit posed a great scenario yesterday that paulass was the main perp.....using urine/k2 to separate Natalee from the MB crowd...
Natalee was targeted and was delivered to the sloot hellhole.....something bad happened......
paulass had to get rid of the body....used his POS son to take the heat while using his strings to protect....first...paulass, then urine.....
Janet...your scenario is right on wrt the plan to first dump Natalee at the beach (after all, it happened 20 times before)... but Natalee succumbed to the actions urine/k2/paulass took to cover up the crime....
ROBOTS says it best....
I HATE THEM ALL.......

VERY COMPELLING.....

[billb's daughter]

As my good friend Jeff Spicoli would say "Awesome!Totally awesome"...

Jeff Spicoli is a fictional character from the 1982 comedy film Fast Times at Ridgemont High, played by Sean Penn.
At the end of the movie, it is revealed that at some point in the future he saved Brooke Shields from drowning, and was rewarded with a large amount of money. He then blew it all by hiring Van Halen to play at his birthday.
Keepthe ::MonkeyCool::faith...I'd like to be remembered for doing all three..........

[billb's daughter]

As my good friend Jeff Spicoli would say "Awesome!Totally awesome"...

Jeff Spicoli is a fictional character from the 1982 comedy film Fast Times at Ridgemont High, played by Sean Penn.
At the end of the movie, it is revealed that at some point in the future he saved Brooke Shields from drowning, and was rewarded with a large amount of money. He then blew it all by hiring Van Halen to play at his birthday.
Keepthe ::MonkeyCool::faith...I'd like to be remembered for doing all three..........

Keepthefaith...I'd like to be remembered for doing all three..........
 
Probably won't happen though.......

[Keepthefaith]

As my good friend Jeff Spicoli would say "Awesome!Totally awesome"...

Jeff Spicoli is a fictional character from the 1982 comedy film Fast Times at Ridgemont High, played by Sean Penn.
At the end of the movie, it is revealed that at some point in the future he saved Brooke Shields from drowning, and was rewarded with a large amount of money. He then blew it all by hiring Van Halen to play at his birthday.
Keepthe ::MonkeyCool::faith...I'd like to be remembered for doing all three..........

Me too..On that note..Goodnight & God bless all the monekys!Me thinks She let's the VanDerSloots know what they've..Sweaty man running..Sweaty man sleeping..Nightmares for Paulus!

[billb's daughter]

Saints by 10......

[billb's daughter]

But remember Deepak did not first learn of the gardener's statement from Wendy Terry but from a Mansur who just happened to also be in jail at the same time as Deepak.  Resulted in Deepak throwing the dominoes.

Yes, for some reason, that gardener always seemed to make Deepak very nervous.  So naturally, he was deported.  At least we were led to believe he was.  I never did really believe that, however.  He had worked for Mansurs for a long time and I believe they could have gotten him a work visa or whatever.

Anna,
Whether or not the gardener was deported is a non issue......
like paulass said...it is perception........and the perception paulass referred too was Nancy Grace, Greta, US news organizations....he was playing to the international news community.....
jossy mansurs was playing as a double agent at best...offering support to Beth, but not crapping in his own backyard.....
the extend of the cover-up at all levels is appalling....
the gardener probably tends to paulass's garden........
moo....

[billb's daughter]

But remember Deepak did not first learn of the gardener's statement from Wendy Terry but from a Mansur who just happened to also be in jail at the same time as Deepak.  Resulted in Deepak throwing the dominoes.

Yes, for some reason, that gardener always seemed to make Deepak very nervous.  So naturally, he was deported.  At least we were led to believe he was.  I never did really believe that, however.  He had worked for Mansurs for a long time and I believe they could have gotten him a work visa or whatever.

Anna...
Forgot to say...I totally agree.....

[billb's daughter]

Good Night Good monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is not just a slogan....
It is going to happen!!
Starting with Dr. Phil......

[texasmom]

I thought Kermit might be interested in this...the name of the victim caught my eye.  And if I understand correctly his brother may be in jail for the crime.  No mention of the brother's initials that I've found yet.

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1120:homber-ta-wordo-severmante-maltrata-y-ta-keda-lam-di-garganta-bai-abou&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

man is wordo severmante maltrata y is stay lam of throat descend.

wednesday, 03 february 2010 23:52

oranjestad-diamarsa nightfall one man of inicial j.w. is wordo severemanete injury near of the dam of moko caminda they will have to owing to using one beam y maltrate cun'e. this owing to sosode near of 6 'or of nightfall y near of 8 'or of night they owing to ask asistencia for so hibe hospital. at his arrival at hospital owing to come costata cu his golpinan is so earnest cue la stay paralitico of throat descend, caminda his condicion is critico y will have to owing to is on machin.

thing we owing to succeed compila cu will owing to surgi one discucion among j. cu one primo or brother caminda cu cos owing to go for of hand. recherche of north in oranan of owing to tardi owing to go at the sitio of sucedido y abai cu two person keep for so trece one clarida of kico owing to happen. one primo y one brother, caminda one owing to stay deteni, pendiente more investigacion. do not conoci cua of two owing to stay encarcela. after of that owing to go busca more person for more informacion but not owing to succeed encontran. we will follow informa on the caso interesting, earnest y regrettable here. come across

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1135:caso-serio-di-mamltrato-na-salinja-tin-un-tur-atencion-di-autoridadnan&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

Papiamentu translation:


caso earnest of mamltrato at salinja have one all atencion of autoridadnan

thursday, 04 february 2010 17:39

oranjestad-awe recherche of north owing to go at the sitio of sucedido again for so follow cu they investigacion, caminda have one primo of the vicitma deteni, y will not descarta cu will can tiun more detencion cu will can owing to cai. the storia is one bit witch caminda now is tell cu will is for of one tree of light the la cai. but the version cu autoridadenan is believe is cu the la wordo maltrata. all the time the victima jemmy webb is on machin y is teme for his life.

[texasmom]

I thought Kermit might be interested in this...the name of the victim caught my eye.  And if I understand correctly his brother may be in jail for the crime.  No mention of the brother's initials that I've found yet.

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1120:homber-ta-wordo-severmante-maltrata-y-ta-keda-lam-di-garganta-bai-abou&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

man is wordo severmante maltrata y is stay lam of throat descend.

wednesday, 03 february 2010 23:52

oranjestad-diamarsa nightfall one man of inicial j.w. is wordo severemanete injury near of the dam of moko caminda they will have to owing to using one beam y maltrate cun'e. this owing to sosode near of 6 'or of nightfall y near of 8 'or of night they owing to ask asistencia for so hibe hospital. at his arrival at hospital owing to come costata cu his golpinan is so earnest cue la stay paralitico of throat descend, caminda his condicion is critico y will have to owing to is on machin.

thing we owing to succeed compila cu will owing to surgi one discucion among j. cu one primo or brother caminda cu cos owing to go for of hand. recherche of north in oranan of owing to tardi owing to go at the sitio of sucedido y abai cu two person keep for so trece one clarida of kico owing to happen. one primo y one brother, caminda one owing to stay deteni, pendiente more investigacion. do not conoci cua of two owing to stay encarcela. after of that owing to go busca more person for more informacion but not owing to succeed encontran. we will follow informa on the caso interesting, earnest y regrettable here. come across

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1135:caso-serio-di-mamltrato-na-salinja-tin-un-tur-atencion-di-autoridadnan&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

Papiamentu translation:


caso earnest of mamltrato at salinja have one all atencion of autoridadnan

thursday, 04 february 2010 17:39

oranjestad-awe recherche of north owing to go at the sitio of sucedido again for so follow cu they investigacion, caminda have one primo of the vicitma deteni, y will not descarta cu will can tiun more detencion cu will can owing to cai. the storia is one bit witch caminda now is tell cu will is for of one tree of light the la cai. but the version cu autoridadenan is believe is cu the la wordo maltrata. all the time the victima jemmy webb is on machin y is teme for his life.

Does anyone else think the guy (second from right) looks a lot like Freddy?

[IBE]

Really O/T but maybe Klaas won't kick me off. ((smiles))

Hi all,

Have missed you greatly!! Think computer is back to being OK so will check here more often. Been reading Blinkoncrime. Wow, nice sister site to SM!

You all have a kind heart. If you support this, would you please pass it on to all you know?

American Legion’s Operation Comfort Warriors competes for $250K Pepsi grant
Votes Needed!
                                       
INDIANAPOLIS (Feb. 1, 2010) – The American Legion’s Operation Comfort Warriors is competing for a $250,000 grant to be awarded by Pepsi Cola, Inc. More than 700 charities are competing for grants, which are determined by the number of votes received at its Web site. As of this morning, Operation Comfort Warriors was 21st  in voting. The top two vote getters will receive quarter-million dollar grants.
 
Visitors can cast their votes at http://www.refresheverything.com/operationcomfortwarriors.
 
Since December 2008, the American Legion family has raised funds for Operation Comfort Warriors, a program dedicated to meeting the needs of wounded military personnel, providing them with comfort items not usually supplied by the government. OCW ensures that patients at U.S. military hospitals and warrior transition units are given items like sweat suits, DVDs, puzzles, electronic devices, books, calling cards and more.
 
“The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue. Military service will always include inherent dangers from training and other hazardous duties,” American Legion National Commander Clarence E. Hill said. “As long as our men and women are in harm’s way, there will continue to be wounded warriors. The American Legion needs to be there for our heroes. Operation Comfort Warriors is an excellent way to show our appreciation for their sacrifices. I urge all Americans to show their appreciation by voting for it on the Pepsi Refresh Everything Web site.”
 
All administrative and marketing costs for Operation Comfort Warriors are paid for by The American Legion, meaning 100 percent of all donations and grants received go to the troops.

[IBE]

IMHO

I think Paul was way in this also! both locally in Aruba, also in Holland. Up to his neck and more.

A follow up books needs to come out from Beth!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Major East Coast snowstorm creeps over New Jersey
By Star-Ledger Staff
February 06, 2010, 12:00AM

Bundle up 2NJ and stay warm.

We have no snow, as yet, where we are...prediction for our county still says 50% chance.  It's mostly the southern part of the state & shore area.  San will probably see the snow.  Hope she has her knit hat on.  It's supposed to be very cold tonight.

   back at 'ya.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I happened to catch the tail end of this Wheel of Fortune show last night...guy won a trip to Aruba.  I didn't get the details of what resort...missed that.  Just found this article about him, fwiw.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/springfield-news/springfield-native-spins-the-wheel-on-tv-533360.html?cxtype=rss_local-news

[texasmom]

1/26/2010 Awe Mainta Page 29

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/



Papiamentu translation:

chofer is core hinca enough person they life in danger

police diadomingo 3.15 of madruga, owing to as control in of two hotzone at height of chino latin, y is see one volkswagen golf a-37874, leave cu velocidad high for of the lugar of park y is lever caminda, is burn tire. past owing to follow core bay direccion of the luznan of trafico at palm beach, where past happen without none problem by of light cora. after past owing to strike one u-turn, cu also is prohibi y owing to go back bek n’e luga of park. eynan past owing to burn tire y cu velocidad high, past owing to stop his car at 2 metre for of one are of person. hour cu police owing to arrive close y owing to bise p’e descend for of car, past owing to deny. police have to owing to ranke for they can owing to sake for of car. also past owing to resisti, hour cu police owing to bay for detene y place in boei. police owing to pase some klop for place razona. past owing to resulta of is he l van r. naci at the netherlands of 28 year.

[Tamikosmom]

IMHO

I think Paul was way in this also! both locally in Aruba, also in Holland. Up to his neck and more.

A follow up books needs to come out from Beth!

I agree.

IBE!!  It has been a while.  I hope all is well.

For the longest time I was a holdout in regards to the theory that Paulus was involved in the unspeakable wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway.  It was too much to comprehend.  It had been my contention that Paulus entered the scenario following the demise of Natalee Holloway to protect his son from legal consequences.

However ... when the casino images were revealed ... casino images that captured Paulus at the Black Jack table conversing with Natalee Holloway ... I knew.

Think about it.  Paulus claimed he left the casino during the Poker game ... prior to Natalee entering the establishment.  Why would he lie?  If there was nothing to hide ... why not admit that he had a short encounter with Natalee at the Black Jack table?  Why did Paulus attempt to distance himself from any connection to Natalee?

Janet

+++++++

Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement - July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - September 19, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Dana Pretzer Show - December 14, 2006

DANA PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/