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Author Topic: Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 #1 1/01/10 - 1/15/10  (Read 523106 times)
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« Reply #480 on: January 07, 2010, 07:46:57 PM »

I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

I would think that any Underground place that had Gabriel would bring him out by now. They can obviously see that EJ has mental problems and that in no way did the Father abuse that boy. If this Underground exists for a reason, it's not to keep Fathers from seeing their kids, it's there to keep children from abuse. IMO EJ is the only one that abused this boy. I pray if they do have him, he's dropped off at at fire station or hospital soon.

I too pray Gabriel is safe and will be dropped off in a safe place.  From all the tidbits I feel that the Smiths know more about the underground than the lay person and if they took advantage of this situation they deserve to rot in hell.  For some reason I don't think Jack is involved as deep, if at all, as the Enima woman though.
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« Reply #481 on: January 07, 2010, 07:48:08 PM »

Thanks for the updates.   

I knew that woman was full of Sh&t.   
You bet  But the big question for me is, if you have involvement why the he!! do you go on a media tour?

Well, like they hinted at on NG, If they had something to hide, why step forward,why go on tv.. simple really, to deflect attention and look innocent.
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« Reply #482 on: January 07, 2010, 07:49:10 PM »

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But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

“It has given us new info to follow up on,” Carbajal said.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I will map this after I get my kids fed.  If Gabriel is in Mexico I fear there is no way of getting him back. 
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« Reply #483 on: January 07, 2010, 07:51:14 PM »

There were a lot of posts on Enima womans MS about coming and going to Mexico.  Wonder if it is connected?

 
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« Reply #484 on: January 07, 2010, 07:56:00 PM »

Nancy Grace (HLN) is on in 5 minutes.  Maybe there will be something on this latest update.

The dialogue on this topic has been great this afternoon.  A lot of brainstorming regarding what may have happened to this precious baby was put out there for consideration.

Somehow ... I believe that Babybear is on to something in regards to the involvement of the  underground.

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« Reply #485 on: January 07, 2010, 08:05:25 PM »

NG is up to speed.  Smiths are on their way to studio   
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« Reply #486 on: January 07, 2010, 08:05:55 PM »

Thanks for the updates.   

I knew that woman was full of Sh&t.   
You bet  But the big question for me is, if you have involvement why the he!! do you go on a media tour?

To not scare off other possible victims? 
Never thought of that, but that sure would be why.
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« Reply #487 on: January 07, 2010, 08:07:59 PM »

There were a lot of posts on Enima womans MS about coming and going to Mexico.  Wonder if it is connected?

 
I'm going to bet it is.
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« Reply #488 on: January 07, 2010, 08:12:15 PM »

Jack and Tammi Smith named persons of Interest. Allegedly know where Gabriel is and who has him and not telling LE. 

Surveillance video from supposedly Dec 27 at Motel 6, no baby, just grabs backpack, goes across street to Bus Station boards 1 pm bus to Fort Lauderdale. 

Dec 27th is same day she was seen with Gabriel at park. 

Not able to do composite sketch.  She is barely cooperating.  Not giving composite sketch. 
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« Reply #489 on: January 07, 2010, 08:13:54 PM »

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But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

“It has given us new info to follow up on,” Carbajal said.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I will map this after I get my kids fed.  If Gabriel is in Mexico I fear there is no way of getting him back. 

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« Reply #490 on: January 07, 2010, 08:15:43 PM »


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But before Johnson was arrested at a youth hostel in Miami Beach, a cell phone signal was tracked to her in Victoria, Texas, three days earlier, according to a court document. Victoria is 115 miles southwest of San Antonio, and the signal was last caught moving toward the Mexico border, according to the document.

“It has given us new info to follow up on,” Carbajal said.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149226


I will map this after I get my kids fed.  If Gabriel is in Mexico I fear there is no way of getting him back. 

Here are the maps

A) Tempe, AZ
B) Victoria , TX
C) San Antonio, TX
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« Reply #491 on: January 07, 2010, 08:21:55 PM »

Sgt Carnajal Tempe Police now on phone.  The Smiths were never eligible to be adoptive parents as Logan never consented or was going to consent. 

Smiths named persons of interest as police have good indications that Tammi and Jack know more than they have provided which could lead LE to Gabriel.

LE believe Gabriel is alive and are hopefull that is the case.

Smiths have spoken to investigators but police do not feel they are providing them all the information they have on Gabriel, his location and condition.

New leads are coming in minute by minute.

No comment on if in one Motel rooms EJ left behind highchair, baby clothes and other belongings that belonged to Gabriel

Dec 22-27 EJ and Gabriel were in San Antonio

Gabriel was last seen Dec 26th NOT Dec 27th.
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« Reply #492 on: January 07, 2010, 08:23:23 PM »

Map I meant to post for Victoria TX to San Antonio TX 135 miles 3 hours drive one way
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« Reply #493 on: January 07, 2010, 08:28:43 PM »

Here come the Smiths.  Tammi tried calling detectives many times today.  She has been trying to brainstorm.  Fox news has been digging for them?  Fox news has embraced the Smiths as they feel they are desperately trying to find this baby (HIS NAME IS GABRIEL    )
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« Reply #494 on: January 07, 2010, 08:33:22 PM »

Jack and Tammi Smith named persons of Interest. Allegedly know where Gabriel is and who has him and not telling LE. 

Surveillance video from supposedly Dec 27 at Motel 6, no baby, just grabs backpack, goes across street to Bus Station boards 1 pm bus to Fort Lauderdale. 

Dec 27th is same day she was seen with Gabriel at park. 

Not able to do composite sketch.  She is barely cooperating.  Not giving composite sketch. 
Well that is a surprise that she is not able to do composite sketch 
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« Reply #495 on: January 07, 2010, 08:34:16 PM »

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What did you feed those kids?

 

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« Reply #496 on: January 07, 2010, 08:39:34 PM »

EJ was alone when she bought bus ticket

All EJ had was a back pack with her

Smiths said they offered to take  polygraph on News Years eve they have not heard back from police yet

Once EJ left they found out when they did the myspace thing.  They received an email from her.  Her idea was to run forever as Logan would not sign papers. 

Smiths said EJ told her Logan was back and forth on adoption.  Smiths asked to speak with him .  Smiths were to meet up when they went to court.  When Elizabeth won custody Logan and his dad just left and did not come back.

Tammi says EJ had physical custody but not shared custody.  Logan went to court and court gave EJ custody and told Logan he could go visit.

Official docs show it was split custody not sole custody for EJ until she did not show for court when she was on the run , then Logan got sole custody.

Jack is doing everything in his power to shut up Tammi a few times now. 

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« Reply #497 on: January 07, 2010, 08:41:02 PM »

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What did you feed those kids?

 

Janet

Chicken Alfredo with penne, and a tomato cucumber salad.  I had it almost ready just needed to put it on table 
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« Reply #498 on: January 07, 2010, 08:42:06 PM »

Wow! Am watching these two on NG, and TS is exactly like CA, with the putting her hand on his leg to stop him from talking! And what's with both of them twiddling their thumbs? Annoying! 

The kid from the motel, when he was talking about EJ's backpack...any chance Gabriel was in that backpack? He said it was big. Just thinking...
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« Reply #499 on: January 07, 2010, 08:45:09 PM »

OK Monkeys ... I am about to be the devil's advocate.

 Monkey Devil!

What if Elizabeth is sincerely attempting to protect her baby from Logan?  Are there any reports filed with CPS ... but disregarded ... implying Gabriel would not be safe with his father or ... loved by his father?  Elizabeth does have issues but ... Logan has his own set of issues.  He does have a criminal record.

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