Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 #1 1/01/10 - 1/15/10

[Northern Rose]

EJ bought a bus ticket to Fort Lauderdale yet was arrest in Miami Beach.  How easy would it be to get between the two places with public transportation?

They also said tonight her bus ticket cost $180.00 to Fort Lauderdale, Fl.

[Nut44x4]

FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.

omg lmao 

[Tamikosmom]

FTLOG, NG asked Tammi if Gabriel had diapers rash.  Tammi - Yes.  Earlier today Tammi said the allegations that Gabriel sat in a diaper all day were false as he never had a diaper rash.  Tammi then tried to explain is was a bacterial rash and Jack tried to shut her up. 

Now Tammi is trying shut Jack up.  Tammi looks like she may need a power flush.

It is said that you need to have a good memory if you are going to lie.

Janet

[Babybear]

I still think, as I said last night, that Gabriel has disappeared into the underground through one of the organizations which help mothers and children disappear from husband/father who the mother claims to be abusive, particularly sexual abusive to the child.  This has been going on for years.  In fact one child, the daughter of a Washington DC lady doctor, disappeared because the father had been molesting her. The mother wouldn't tell where she was and in fact went to jail for years for contempt.  It took an act of Congress to get her out of jail.  An underground organization got the little girl to Australia where she lived for years without being discovered by the father.  After she was found, she was then a teenager, the Australian judge refused to give her to the father.

That's what I think has happened to Gabriel.  I think some organization, and the Smiths IMO are in this up to their necks, arranged for Daniel to disappear on EJ's word of abuse.  Obviously, Logan is more respectable than Elizabeth and even LE says so.  It might be true that EJ doesn't know the people who took him, purposely so, but I believe it was prearranged.  IMO it was done on Elizabeth's part to get revenge on Logan, but the other people might sincerely think they saved Gabriel from his father.  If this is what happened, the underground people will never take Gabriel to LE.  They believe they are protecting him. That's what I think happened, and I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

BINGO!!

Babybear

I am incline to agree.  It makes sense of what appears to be so senseless.  EJ did not have to travel across the country to kill her baby ... she had a purpose.  I hope her computer/iphone  has been confiscated.

I remember reading about the account you shared regarding the underground.

Janet

Babybear

1.  Was Gabriel was hand over to the underground by Elizabeth "for his protection"?

2.  Did Elizabeth make a conscious choice not to know the details?

3.  Was she apprehended prior receiving new identication papers?

4.  Was the trapsing all over the country with and without Gabriel at her own expense meant as a method not to expose the underground participation?

5.  Could the Smith's home have been the safe house while arrangements were being made.

Babybear ... what was the name of the mother who allowed the underground to raise her daughter while she sat in jail for years rather than submitting her child to court ordered visitations with a father who allegedly molested her.  I think her name was also Elizabeth?  The father was a doctor if I recollect.

Thanks.

Janet

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BOB JOHNSON

Johnson's Grandfather Thinks She's Lying
UPDATED: 11:22 am MST January 7, 2010

"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html


TAMMI SMITH

NANCY GRACE
New Developments in Missing Baby Gabriel Case
Aired January 6, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Smiths believe the baby is safe and that his mother, now behind bars, will never say where.

T. SMITH: She loved that baby enough that I believe, I believe, that she would probably stay in jail the rest of her life to make sure he was safe from the person that she wants to keep him from.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html

  Janet_ IMO yes to all of the above except #4. I don't think she was travelling on her own money.  It has been said that she didn't work, yet the Smith woman said she received her last Unemployment check.  I believe someone gave her money.  I believe that she took the Tornado Bus Line because it appears to be a bus service for migrant workers and she would not be found there.  She might have travelled to Miami to receive new identification papers for herself and Gabriel but was reported to be in the hostel on a tip, I believe, before she could receive the papers. She was less conspicuous travelling without a baby. So she had left the baby in Texas with someone arranged by the Smiths, IMO.

All of the above is just IMO only, but I believe I am right.

The parties involved in the DC case were Dr. Elizabeth Morgan, a Washington Plastic Surgeon and the father was Dr. Eric Foretich.  I don't recall his specialty. I believe the Act of Congress was introduced by Senator Orrin Hatch.

[klaasend]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=9245955

'Persons of interest' named in missing baby case
January 7, 2010

PHOENIX (AP) - A couple from Scottsdale, Ariz., who wanted to adopt a woman's baby may know more about the missing child's whereabouts than they're telling investigators, police said Thursday.

Jack and Terri Smith are now "persons of interest" in the investigation into the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson, according to Tempe police spokesman Sgt. Steve Carbajal.

The baby was last seen in San Antonio in late December with his 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson.

Johnson was arrested last week in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference after she didn't show up for a custody hearing in Arizona. Her car was later found by the FBI in San Antonio.

She has since told a Phoenix television station that she gave the boy away in San Antonio. She made the statement after she sent a text message to her ex-boyfriend telling him she had killed the baby.

Police believe the baby has not been harmed.

"We are getting some indications that Gabriel is alive," Carbajal said Thursday. "We can't say specifically just what those are, but we are getting some indications that those are correct."

The Smiths have given numerous media interviews in recent days where they said they met Johnson at an airport during a long layover and befriended her. Terri Smith said the young mother wanted to give up her baby for adoption but the ex-boyfriend wouldn't go along.

Terri Smith told KTVK-TV in Phoenix on Thursday that the couple has cooperated fully with police and have nothing to hide.

The baby's father, Logan McQueary, has said Johnson tried several times to get him to sign away his parental rights but that he refused.

Tempe police have been inundated with tips and are now directing callers to the National Center for Missing or Exploited Children.

Carbajal urged anyone who has the baby to bring him to a safe place like a fire station or a hospital if they are afraid to come forward.

"Our focus has always been the same, and that is locating Gabriel," he said.

[Northern Rose]

Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

[Babybear]

Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.

[Northern Rose]

Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.

Do you think there would be checkpoints to validate her and her story before getting into the underground for  the true help?

[Northern Rose]

In this interview the bus depot man says that EJ was the only white person on the bus.


http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_903.shtml

[Northern Rose]

Couple hoping to adopt baby Gabriel now persons of interest (with video interview of the Smiths)

SCOTTSDALE – Sources close to the investigation into 8-month-old Gabriel’s disappearance tell 3TV’s Mike Watkiss that one-time adoptive family, Jack and Tammy Smith, are now considered persons of interest.

While the Smiths claim to be cooperating with police, investigators now believe the couple has some knowledge that may lead to the whereabouts of baby Gabriel but they are not sharing that information with investigators.

3TV caught up with Jack and Tammi Smith on Thursday afternoon and asked them about their change in status from victims to potential suspects. The Smiths say they have nothing to hide and that they have fully cooperated with police. The couple also says they just want to see the safe return of baby Gabriel.

Tempe new tip line has been established so that anyone with information on Gabriel's whereabouts can call 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).

Police say that whoever has the baby can turn him over to a safe place such as a fire station or a hospital if they feel too scared to come forward.


http://www.azfamily.com/news/Couple-hoping-to-adopt-baby-Gabriel-now-person-of-interest-80948977.html

[Babybear]

Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.

Do you think there would be checkpoints to validate her and her story before getting into the underground for  the true help?

Yes, I think so.  I do think she had been vouched for by the Smiths, though. I think at some point she had to pick up some money.  It would not surprise me if the Smiths have helped with something like this before.  There is a network which helps women and children disappear.  Sometimes for good reason and once in a while when they have been duped.  If this is what happened here, I think they've been duped.  On the other hand, it might be a ploy to deliver the baby to the Smiths.  I think their home has been searched, but Gabriel could be somewhere else with someone connected to the Smiths.

[Tamikosmom]

Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

I don't but ... Babybear does.

Janet

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 I don't think she was travelling on her own money.  It has been said that she didn't work, yet the Smith woman said she received her last Unemployment check.  I believe someone gave her money.  I believe that she took the Tornado Bus Line because it appears to be a bus service for migrant workers and she would not be found there.  She might have travelled to Miami to receive new identification papers for herself and Gabriel but was reported to be in the hostel on a tip, I believe, before she could receive the papers. She was less conspicuous travelling without a baby. So she had left the baby in Texas with someone arranged by the Smiths, IMO.

All of the above is just IMO only, but I believe I am right.

The parties involved in the DC case were Dr. Elizabeth Morgan, a Washington Plastic Surgeon and the father was Dr. Eric Foretich.  I don't recall his specialty. I believe the Act of Congress was introduced by Senator Orrin Hatch.

[Tamikosmom]

Mods ... I messed up again.  I apologize.

Please delete post #530. 

Thank you.

Janet

Done.  YW Janet.  MB

[Tamikosmom]

Elizabeth Morgan Act

Hilary Antonia Foretich (b. 1982), later known as Ellen Morgan, was at the center of a well-publicized international custody case in the late 1980s. Hilary’s maternal grandparents took her to New Zealand, defying a court order that Hilary have unsupervised visitation with her father, Dr. Eric Foretich. Her mother, plastic surgeon Elizabeth Morgan, spent 25 months in detention from 1987 to 1989 for contempt of court in Washington, D.C., for refusing to reveal Hilary’s whereabouts.

Elizabeth Morgan had alleged that Foretich had sexually abused their daughter, an accusation that he has vehemently denied and which has never been proved in court.[1] Dr. Morgan is Foretich’s third wife. His second wife has also accused him of sexual abuse of their daughter, Heather, (b. 1980). Foretich denies those charges, and has repeatedly said the two women have acted in collusion.[2]

Elizabeth Morgan was freed in 1989 by an Act of Congress and joined her daughter and parents in New Zealand. The U.S. Congress passed the Elizabeth Morgan Act in 1996, which permitted Hilary, who by then called herself Ellen Morgan, to decide whether or not to see her father. The 14-year-old returned with her mother to the United States, but declined to see her father. Eric Foretich sued in 1997. The law was overturned as a bill of attainder by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in 2003, but had no practical effect on Hilary, who was by then 21 and could choose for herself whether or not to see her father.[1] Hilary Foretich, aka Ellen Morgan, is now known as Elena Mitrano.[3]

A TV movie, A Mother's Right: The Elizabeth Morgan Story, was made regarding the matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Morgan_Act

[leslee]

Any thoughts on why EJ would go to Victoria TX, before going to San Antonio? 

Maybe to pick up some money.

Do you think there would be checkpoints to validate her and her story before getting into the underground for  the true help?

Yes, I think so.  I do think she had been vouched for by the Smiths, though. I think at some point she had to pick up some money.  It would not surprise me if the Smiths have helped with something like this before.  There is a network which helps women and children disappear.  Sometimes for good reason and once in a while when they have been duped.  If this is what happened here, I think they've been duped. If this is what happened here I would think they would turn the baby over having found out that the mother has mental issues and an open case with CPS.  On the other hand, it might be a ploy to deliver the baby to the Smiths. I do not think the Smiths ever intended on keeping Gabriel, I think she uses the internet sob story as a ploy to lure young mothers into giving up their kids. Even if that is not the case the Smiths can not jeopodize her business for the sake of one kid. They would now have to be on the run constantly and they are on the map with LE now so if that were the scenario I think they would have spilled the beans. I think their home has been searched, but Gabriel could be somewhere else with someone connected to the Smiths.

Hi Babybear... my opinions/thoughts are posted in blue.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Northern Rose

 

Janet
9:20 PM PT

[Northern Rose]

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"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html

When grandpa bob said this it may not have been as cockamamie as he thought.

[Northern Rose]

Good Night Northern Rose

 

Janet
9:20 PM PT

Good Night Janet, God bless.

[Northern Rose]

Persons Of Interest’ ID'd In Missing Baby Case

TEMPE, Ariz. -- The Tempe Police Department said it has identified two persons of interest in connection with the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

TEMPE, Ariz. -- The Tempe Police Department said it has identified two persons of interest in connection with the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

Watch:'Persons Of Interest' Named In Missing Baby Case

Police investigators said they believe Tammi and Jack Smith have information that will lead them to the baby. The Smiths, who wanted to adopt the infant, spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own 4-year-old daughter.

Tempe police spokesman Sgt. Steve Carbajal said the couple may know more about the missing child's whereabouts than they're telling investigators.

The infant was last seen in San Antonio, Texas, in December with his 23-year-old mother, Elizabeth Johnson. She allegedly told Logan McQueary, her ex-boyfriend, that she'd killed their baby.

Carbajal said investigators have received indications Gabriel is still alive, but are still unsure of his whereabouts.

"That is the X factor at this point. We do not know at this point. We do not have a location," said Carbajal.

Johnson was arrested last week in Miami Beach, Fla., on suspicion of custodial interference after she failed to show up for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Authorities say she has refused to say where her son is.

Tempe officers are in Florida preparing to bring Johnson back to Arizona.

Police on Thursday also announced a new tip line for leads into the baby's location. Officers, working with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, are staffing a 24/7 hotline for people to call with any information to call. The number is 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).

Elizabeth Johnson's white Oldsmobile was found parked at a San Antonio motel Tuesday evening. A baby seat and other items were inside, and there were no obvious signs of violence, said FBI spokesman Eric Vasys. The vehicle was being combed for evidence of the baby's whereabouts, he said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22177943/detail.html

[Northern Rose]

Elizabeth has a twin brother - Robert Johnson

http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=26353@knxv.dayport.com