Gabriel Johnson #2 1/15/10 - 1/27/10

[stayhomemommy]

California Couple Arrested After Trying To Illegally Adopted A Baby In Mexico at http://www.californiafamilylawblog.com/2007/02/california_couple_arrested_aft.html

Doctors in Mexico arrested over newborn baby-selling ring http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/6505231/Doctors-in-Mexico-arrested-over-newborn-baby-selling-ring.html

[AZLady]

 

Oh, man.  I had no idea this was in my backyard:  http://www.geocities.com/bernw5333/index.html.  It's the Arizona link from the Baby Brokers website. 

[bananas]

Going on the dressed for a date theory at 11:30 int he morning and needs a sitter...I have found that San Antonio Casual encounters section of Craigslist. 

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cas/index5200.html

Link provided starts on Dec 26 and at the bottom if you hit "next 100 postings" it goes backward in time posted.  I will warn anyone who wants to go through these , I have already seen close ups of male appendages and they had no fingers or toes in some of the pictures included in the ads.

Hells Bells...who knew.. I thought craigslist was for selling furniture and appliances and farm equipment...no babies and sex........hell is this really legal???  I knew I was old...but damn!!!

OMG... what have you people been doing while I was out walking in the park today?  LOL.  I never knew they had this kind of stuff on Craig's List.  Remind me not to go back to this again! 

[AZLady]

When you Wish Upon a Star:  an Adoption Story at http://www.adoptionagencychecklist.com/page673.html

Holy Cow!  This is a lengthy but interesting article about a man who was a victim of International Adoption Fraud.  It describes and names the criminals and how they operated. 

[AZLady]

Anyway, all these adoption and baby broker links support the belief that Elizabeth really did give the child to someone.  I hope she did.  The alternative is chilling.

[SunnyinTX]

FB

I have finally reached my wits end. Let me turn your own words on you Tammi in a post you placed on Logans page and then erased.

May God forgive you what you have caused her to do!

Logan never threated Elizabeth, he loved her. Right up until that girl told him she killed their son. He tried so hard to make it work. I know, I was there!

Stop your lying! You could have prevented this! You hid the baby from him once and you are doing it again.

Shame on you and your judgement will come some day.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tammi-Peters-SmithGabriel-Johnson/249331974425?v=feed&story_fbid=259899390988#topic_top

uummmm any idea who this is??

Edit-fix quote.  MB

Sunny I think it is Gabriel's aunt on his Dad's side.

thanks Darla, very interesting post....Logan loved her, he tried so hard to make it work..........so sad..........EJ needs to tell the truth and bring Gabriel back to the arms of his family an d Tammi needs to be charged with a whole lot of somethings..I firmly believe she is DEEP into Gabriel's disappearance.

[Searching]

If anything, when this case is solved, we will have monkeys here that can gain employment in the adoption field in some fashion as they will have plenty of knowledge. 

[Searching]

FB

I have finally reached my wits end. Let me turn your own words on you Tammi in a post you placed on Logans page and then erased.

May God forgive you what you have caused her to do!

Logan never threated Elizabeth, he loved her. Right up until that girl told him she killed their son. He tried so hard to make it work. I know, I was there!

Stop your lying! You could have prevented this! You hid the baby from him once and you are doing it again.

Shame on you and your judgement will come some day.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tammi-Peters-SmithGabriel-Johnson/249331974425?v=feed&story_fbid=259899390988#topic_top

uummmm any idea who this is??

Edit-fix quote.  MB

Sunny I think it is Gabriel's aunt on his Dad's side.

thanks Darla, very interesting post....Logan loved her, he tried so hard to make it work..........so sad..........EJ needs to tell the truth and bring Gabriel back to the arms of his family an d Tammi needs to be charged with a whole lot of somethings..I firmly believe she is DEEP into Gabriel's disappearance.

I think she should be locked up now just for the false information on the court documents and then they can charge her as they go, like if she bonds out, charge her with the next thing and so on, keep her sorry butt in jail. 

[darla]

When you Wish Upon a Star:  an Adoption Story at http://www.adoptionagencychecklist.com/page673.html

Holy Cow!  This is a lengthy but interesting article about a man who was a victim of International Adoption Fraud.  It describes and names the criminals and how they operated. 

(Edit:  Fix Quote.  MB)


Thank You AZLady...very interesting read. I knew this went on, but didn't know it was so prevalent here in the US. Very eye-opening.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thank-you for all the links to adoption and illegal brokering of babies, I had no idea all this. 

[bananas]

There is a Sunrise Junior High in Phoenix, AZ but I don't think that helps at all since you say she lived in Fletcher.  Coming up with blanks on this.

[darla]

Thanks Muffybee for fixing my mistake. Didn't mean to get in AzLady's  box.

[MuffyBee]

Thanks Muffybee for fixing my mistake. Didn't mean to get in AzLady's  box.

No worries.  I manage to get into other's quotes from time to time myself...  

[Tracygirl]

Tracygirl, indeed you're right. The thing that makes me wonder is, if the baby is still alive but underground, after seeing all this media attention, would they keep him undergroundnow that they know he wasn't truly in danger of being harmed? --

OR  wouldn't LE offer EJ a deal (less prison time maybe) to just tell the truth and find out that is what she did (put him in an underground rather than kill him). The fact that shthe child is dead and she knows it, or surely there would be a deal on the table? Maybe I'm wrong. Just thinking here.

Tammi has a link to a DV site on her website, I posted it yesterday. Did anyone check it out? There are fanatics in all walks of life and you never know.

When I was in college I worked at a child abuse center for a few years. I can tell you there is help for woman who want to leave. I never asked because I didn't want to know but there are "underground" connections with some centers that do get used.

I will share something with you. I was married when I was very young and the man abused me very badly, very badly.... Thank god I didn't have children with him as I am sure he would have abused them as well. I called a DV line to ask for help one night when he went crazy on me. I was told to get to a place, call on a pay phone and I was picked up in a car, from there I was taken to a safe house, To be honest with you, I have no idea where this safe house was, just in the middle of the city somewhere.  I was told if I didn't have a safe place they could help me find me one. Thank God they were there, I needed them that night. DV centers and safe houses do save peoples lives but as with everything else, sometimes dishonest people can ruin it.   
Gabriel could very well be in a safe house somewhere, that is why I cannot say just because someone hasn't come forward it means he was not put into an underground.

I truly think they would always side with who they perceive to be the victim. They would see this as her attempt to protect the baby from harm. There hasn't really been anything to discount he didn't abuse her, nothing other then his word which obviously means a bit more then hers. Look at the people defending Tammi on her facebook, the comments about she was doing only what was best, then some of the comments regarding Logan. I bet most of the posters have been victims of abuse and can only see the world from those eyes. They see Elizabeth as an abuse victim and they believe her because I bet they were not always believed. What they are not seeing is this time the man was abused, tormented and victimized and what they are doing is siding with the abuser. So that is my take on this, sorry I don't always mean to analyze everything. In real life I do not practice psychology but I did study it for a number of years. It is just a bad habit at this point I can't break, hopefully it has not caused you all to roll your eyes when you see a posting from me.

Thank you norose for your comment to me. What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.

[Tracygirl]

Going on the dressed for a date theory at 11:30 int he morning and needs a sitter...I have found that San Antonio Casual encounters section of Craigslist. 

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cas/index5200.html

Link provided starts on Dec 26 and at the bottom if you hit "next 100 postings" it goes backward in time posted.  I will warn anyone who wants to go through these , I have already seen close ups of male appendages and they had no fingers or toes in some of the pictures included in the ads.

Hells Bells...who knew.. I thought craigslist was for selling furniture and appliances and farm equipment...no babies and sex........hell is this really legal???  I knew I was old...but damn!!!

OMG... what have you people been doing while I was out walking in the park today?  LOL.  I never knew they had this kind of stuff on Craig's List.  Remind me not to go back to this again! 

Craigslist is horrible, honestly but Arizona is pretty calm. I have checked for missing persons on the San Fransisco craigslist, not a pretty site at all! Oh an Rio, not a good one. I have honestly seen more male and female parts then I care to even think of, lol.

[SunnyinTX]

Anyway, all these adoption and baby broker links support the belief that Elizabeth really did give the child to someone.  I hope she did.  The alternative is chilling.

Hi AZ!!  thanks for all the research and links.....I would prefer she did too ......except damn it his father has a right to have his child.

PS: gonna be out  your way in June...Sedona

[Tracygirl]

You know unfortunately it doesn't have to be one or the other. She could have had plans to do this and was waiting for them to say it was time, and while doing so, lost control with Gabriel.

[SunnyinTX]

Going on the dressed for a date theory at 11:30 int he morning and needs a sitter...I have found that San Antonio Casual encounters section of Craigslist. 

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cas/index5200.html

Link provided starts on Dec 26 and at the bottom if you hit "next 100 postings" it goes backward in time posted.  I will warn anyone who wants to go through these , I have already seen close ups of male appendages and they had no fingers or toes in some of the pictures included in the ads.

Hells Bells...who knew.. I thought craigslist was for selling furniture and appliances and farm equipment...no babies and sex........hell is this really legal???  I knew I was old...but damn!!!

OMG... what have you people been doing while I was out walking in the park today?  LOL.  I never knew they had this kind of stuff on Craig's List.  Remind me not to go back to this again! 

Craigslist is horrible, honestly but Arizona is pretty calm. I have checked for missing persons on the San Fransisco craigslist, not a pretty site at all! Oh an Rio, not a good one. I have honestly seen more male and female parts then I care to even think of, lol.

Tracy....I am so sorry you went through what you did....and so glad there was help for you.

What is really scary about this on craigslist is it's out there for children to see so easily!!  What parent would think their child was looking at pornographic pictures on craigalist???...I honestly had no idea  pornographic pictures allow there.  The thought never crossed my mind. I knew there were meet up ads (the craigslist killer) but I had no idea what was really on there....

[Northern Rose]

NG covering Gabriel

Investigators using photos to develop a timeline

LE is starting to check the dump

No other pictures on her camera other than the 6 images that were relelased

Trying to recover any other images that were deleted off her camera

[Tracygirl]

Craigslist is filled with prostitution and quite frankly a bunch of sick people. It is an awful, awful place. I think LE tried to shut down the adult side, not sure what happened. It jsut sickens me you cannot post a free dog but you can show any body part you wish under the warning it is only intended for adult use.