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« Reply #840 on: January 18, 2010, 07:41:25 PM »

hmmmmm..... found this which might be the meaning of TS.

Approximately $25,000 to $40,000 should cover an uncomplicated (no bed rest, minimal lost wages) Traditional Surrogate (TS-surrogate is egg donor and carrier-no IVF) journey, including everything listed above-without agency fees.

Found this here: http://www.allaboutsurrogacy.com/exploring_surrogacy.htm
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« Reply #841 on: January 18, 2010, 07:45:00 PM »

Am I behind on this or has this been posted before?

leading from the surrogate page to this page: http://www.surrogatemother.com/forum/topics/looking-for-a-couple-who-cant

 Reply by Tammi Smith on November 21, 2008 at 1:40am
Are you willing to do a TS? What state do you live in? We have been looking for a while!!! My 3 year old daughter is getting very antsy wondering when her new baby sister or brother will come, lol.....I do missions in Africa but they won't let anyone outside africa to adopt! So we are going the surrogate route since I had an emergancy hysterioectomy about 10 years ago (age 26). Please email or call us at (623) 687-1887 info@healingwatersaz.com
Ok something isnt adding up here - she sent that email that Klaas posted earlier and she was searching out endometriosis - why if she would have had a hysterectomy in 1998 according to this info here.  Something smells bad!!!  Why is she looking for a surrogate?  To sell perhaps? 

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« Reply #842 on: January 18, 2010, 07:45:31 PM »

hmmmmm..... found this which might be the meaning of TS.

Approximately $25,000 to $40,000 should cover an uncomplicated (no bed rest, minimal lost wages) Traditional Surrogate (TS-surrogate is egg donor and carrier-no IVF) journey, including everything listed above-without agency fees.

Found this here: http://www.allaboutsurrogacy.com/exploring_surrogacy.htm

Obviously Tammi was up on the lingo of the surrogacy world.  Interesting.....
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« Reply #843 on: January 18, 2010, 07:47:41 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??
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« Reply #844 on: January 18, 2010, 07:50:48 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??

What is up with all of this?
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« Reply #845 on: January 18, 2010, 07:53:46 PM »

Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives   
1.  COUVILLION, JANIS SUSETTE (Age 60)

Associated names:

 CONVILLION, JANIS
 COUVILLION, JANICE
 Available(5) Available PHOENIX, AZ
SCOTTSDALE, AZ
DALHART, TX
GLENDALE, AZ
PASS CHRISTIAN, MS Possible Relatives:

COUVILLION, ALBERT S (Age 55)
COUVILLION, ALBERT

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SEELMEYER, STEPHEN PAUL (Age 67)
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http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=Janis&mn=&ln=+Couvillion+&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=LA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=58&y=8

I think Janis Couvillion parents live in Texas, I didn't post it earlier because they are 86 years old. Her father is Albert,too, or
who I believe is JC father according to Lost People.

Janis Conuvillion's possible roommate Stephen Paul Seelmeyer, has Texas locations.

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&qf=+STEPHEN+&qmi=p&qn=SEELMEYER&qs=&trackit=74&focusfirst=1


Stephen P Seelmeyer

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El Paso, TX
Dalhart, TX
Phoenix, AZ           

2  Stephen P Seelmeyer 66

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« Reply #846 on: January 18, 2010, 07:53:50 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??

What is up with all of this?
I took screen shots but not sure if I can post them - the person she is communicating with uses her name.  Klaas???
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« Reply #847 on: January 18, 2010, 08:01:18 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??

What is up with all of this?
I took screen shots but not sure if I can post them - the person she is communicating with uses her name.  Klaas???

I am reading her communitcations with possible surrogates.  She is very savvy to what it is all about! 
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« Reply #848 on: January 18, 2010, 08:04:43 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??

What is up with all of this?
I took screen shots but not sure if I can post them - the person she is communicating with uses her name.  Klaas???

I am reading her communitcations with possible surrogates.  She is very savvy to what it is all about! 

In speaking with possible surrogates, she asks them if they have insurance.

Her communications with one possible surrogate mother is:
At 1:31pm on November 23, 2008, Tammi Smith said… $750.00 paid to you on the 1st of every month for 10 months during the entire pregnacy..

At 10:06pm on November 22, 2008, Tammi Smith said… What is your fee for doing a TS? We are offering $750.00 per month for the total of 10 months. Thanks, Tammi
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« Reply #849 on: January 18, 2010, 08:12:04 PM »

Someone better take screenshots of all this at the surrogate site cuz it can be made private.  Some of the people she has talked to have private sites and you can't see any of the communications between them.
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« Reply #850 on: January 18, 2010, 08:14:50 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??

What is up with all of this?
I took screen shots but not sure if I can post them - the person she is communicating with uses her name.  Klaas???

No need to post the info for the person she was responding to.  This is Tammi's post that we are talking about.  So what happened to this insemination?

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« Reply #851 on: January 18, 2010, 08:17:17 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??

What is up with all of this?
I took screen shots but not sure if I can post them - the person she is communicating with uses her name.  Klaas???

No need to post the info for the person she was responding to.  This is Tammi's post that we are talking about.  So what happened to this insemination?



good question.  Maybe it didn't take?  I am not savvy at all with this surrogacy stuff.
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« Reply #852 on: January 18, 2010, 08:20:54 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??

What is up with all of this?
I took screen shots but not sure if I can post them - the person she is communicating with uses her name.  Klaas???

No need to post the info for the person she was responding to.  This is Tammi's post that we are talking about.  So what happened to this insemination?


Thanks Klaas - and yes what happened to this insemination.  She has been obsessed with having or obtaining a baby for a long time.
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« Reply #853 on: January 18, 2010, 08:23:28 PM »

http://www.kpho.com/news/22266828/detail.html

Elizabeth Johnson's Grandfather Visits Her In Jail

CBS 5 Is Only Station There When Bob Johnson Visits Elizabeth Johnson
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POSTED: 2:47 pm MST January 18, 2010
UPDATED: 6:04 pm MST January 18, 2010
PHOENIX -- Elizabeth Johnson hasn't said much since she was booked into a Maricopa County jail. She hasn't seen many people, either, so far just her lawyers and Jack and Tammi Smith, the couple who tried to adopt Gabriel and police named 'persons of interest' in this case. Monday she saw her grandfather for the first time, and CBS 5 was the only station there.

Elizabeth Johnson refuses to say where 8-month-old Gabriel is, even though her friends and family keep asking her to open up. She told her grandfather her lawyers say helping find her baby won't help her.

Bob Johnson hasn't been face to face with his granddaughter since police said she took off with her little boy last month. On Monday, Johnson sat down with Elizabeth Johnson in the Estrella Jail.

The 23-year-old's grandfather had a lot of questions for Elizabeth.

Johnson said, "Most of the things I wanted to ask her, she said she can't talk about."

Johnson said for the most part, Elizabeth is keeping her mouth shut. He said she told him her lawyers told her not to say anything.

Johnson said, "They told me kidnapping is kidnapping and she's gonna get 20 years ."

Bob said Elizabeth doesn't know why she'd help investigators since her lawyers told her she's going to prison for 20 years no matter what she does to help them.

At best, this is a kidnapping case with a child found. At worst, this could turn into a murder investigation. Bob hopes that isn't the case. He said Elizabeth may be the only one who can answer questions about her son's whereabouts.

"That's the message I left today," Johnson said. "Quicker they find that baby, quicker you get out of here; it's that simple.
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« Reply #855 on: January 18, 2010, 08:29:25 PM »

Wow!  You all have been busy lately.  Tammi's criminal charges and four different last names are interesting and not surprising.  Add to these the expulsion of her business from Tennessee.  So, she comes to Arizona to try her cons here.  It certainly didn't last long.  After seeing the websites about the underground, I am wondering more and more if this baby might be in Mexico.  I've read that it is a place to hide.  I might do more research on this angle.  Elizabeth could have turned him over to baby underground to hide him in Mexico for a time before they adopted him out, maybe even to another country other than US.

I agree AZLady.

All this incriminating research pertaining to Tammi Smith's background should be compiled/organized on a separate thread and ... then sent to investigators.  Some of our Monkeys are very computer savy in regards to accessing records.  It is all beyond me.

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IF they have done their homework/job they should already know all this, but I wouldn't count on it.
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« Reply #856 on: January 18, 2010, 08:40:27 PM »

I went to the surrogate mother site. Interesting...... she was asked how her search was going on Dec 15th, 2008 and Tammi replied that they just got done doing insemination a few minutes ago.  HUH??

What is up with all of this?
I took screen shots but not sure if I can post them - the person she is communicating with uses her name.  Klaas???

No need to post the info for the person she was responding to.  This is Tammi's post that we are talking about.  So what happened to this insemination?


Thanks Klaas - and yes what happened to this insemination.  She has been obsessed with having or obtaining a baby for a long time.

wasn't that also around the time they were suppose to be adopting a down baby?
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« Reply #857 on: January 18, 2010, 08:41:58 PM »

http://www.kpho.com/news/22266828/detail.html

Elizabeth Johnson's Grandfather Visits Her In Jail

CBS 5 Is Only Station There When Bob Johnson Visits Elizabeth Johnson
Elizabeth Erwin
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 2:47 pm MST January 18, 2010
UPDATED: 6:04 pm MST January 18, 2010
PHOENIX -- Elizabeth Johnson hasn't said much since she was booked into a Maricopa County jail. She hasn't seen many people, either, so far just her lawyers and Jack and Tammi Smith, the couple who tried to adopt Gabriel and police named 'persons of interest' in this case. Monday she saw her grandfather for the first time, and CBS 5 was the only station there.

Elizabeth Johnson refuses to say where 8-month-old Gabriel is, even though her friends and family keep asking her to open up. She told her grandfather her lawyers say helping find her baby won't help her.

Bob Johnson hasn't been face to face with his granddaughter since police said she took off with her little boy last month. On Monday, Johnson sat down with Elizabeth Johnson in the Estrella Jail.

The 23-year-old's grandfather had a lot of questions for Elizabeth.

Johnson said, "Most of the things I wanted to ask her, she said she can't talk about."

Johnson said for the most part, Elizabeth is keeping her mouth shut. He said she told him her lawyers told her not to say anything.

Johnson said, "They told me kidnapping is kidnapping and she's gonna get 20 years ."

Bob said Elizabeth doesn't know why she'd help investigators since her lawyers told her she's going to prison for 20 years no matter what she does to help them.

At best, this is a kidnapping case with a child found. At worst, this could turn into a murder investigation. Bob hopes that isn't the case. He said Elizabeth may be the only one who can answer questions about her son's whereabouts.

"That's the message I left today," Johnson said. "Quicker they find that baby, quicker you get out of here; it's that simple.

Yes I suppose 20 for kidnapping is better than LWOP or death for murder. 
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« Reply #858 on: January 18, 2010, 08:44:10 PM »

Well I guess that sums that up - EJ is not going to talk - there is no benefit in her mind because she is going away no matter what. Could this be why she isn't spilling about Tammi Smith?   
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« Reply #859 on: January 18, 2010, 08:46:03 PM »

http://www.kpho.com/news/22266828/detail.html

Elizabeth Johnson's Grandfather Visits Her In Jail

CBS 5 Is Only Station There When Bob Johnson Visits Elizabeth Johnson
Elizabeth Erwin
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 2:47 pm MST January 18, 2010
UPDATED: 6:04 pm MST January 18, 2010
PHOENIX -- Elizabeth Johnson hasn't said much since she was booked into a Maricopa County jail. She hasn't seen many people, either, so far just her lawyers and Jack and Tammi Smith, the couple who tried to adopt Gabriel and police named 'persons of interest' in this case. Monday she saw her grandfather for the first time, and CBS 5 was the only station there.

Elizabeth Johnson refuses to say where 8-month-old Gabriel is, even though her friends and family keep asking her to open up. She told her grandfather her lawyers say helping find her baby won't help her.

Bob Johnson hasn't been face to face with his granddaughter since police said she took off with her little boy last month. On Monday, Johnson sat down with Elizabeth Johnson in the Estrella Jail.

The 23-year-old's grandfather had a lot of questions for Elizabeth.

Johnson said, "Most of the things I wanted to ask her, she said she can't talk about."

Johnson said for the most part, Elizabeth is keeping her mouth shut. He said she told him her lawyers told her not to say anything.

Johnson said, "They told me kidnapping is kidnapping and she's gonna get 20 years ."

Bob said Elizabeth doesn't know why she'd help investigators since her lawyers told her she's going to prison for 20 years no matter what she does to help them.

At best, this is a kidnapping case with a child found. At worst, this could turn into a murder investigation. Bob hopes that isn't the case. He said Elizabeth may be the only one who can answer questions about her son's whereabouts.

"That's the message I left today," Johnson said. "Quicker they find that baby, quicker you get out of here; it's that simple.

Yes I suppose 20 for kidnapping is better than LWOP or death for murder. 


That statement in red really worries me. If Gabriel is still alive it would help her tremendously to help find him. I just don't think this is going to turn out the way we have all been praying for.
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