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Topic: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/10 - 2/20/11 (Read 296618 times)
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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I know this is something I nor anyone else doesnt like thinking about but what if she knew they were going to search that trash and maybe *gulp* put him somewhere else? Just something that has been in my head for a while.
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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Quote from: Nut44x4 on March 12, 2010, 04:42:24 PM
IMO this child is not alive
Good Evening Monkeys!
Nutt, I am beginning to believe the same thing. He could be anywhere from San Antonio to Fla.
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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Quote from: labubske on March 11, 2010, 04:45:53 PM
http://www.myspace.com/tammifay
http://www.myspace.com/jackiedonsmith
http://www.myspace.com/elizj86
I read somewhere that tammi's myspace page was down...just letting you know that it is up. I put all three of the addresses up. No one responded to my previous post about something odd about Tammi's business...maybe they are really big in this underground adoption and use it as a cover. Gabrielle could be in another country...she has pics up of different places that she went to. Personally, I believe that he is in Mexico.
Well, when I posted this yesterday...Tammi's myspace was public...I went on it and looked through the pics again. Today, I thought of something and went back to it and it is private. Hmmm...
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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IMO Tammi's enema business doesn't pass the "Smell" test.
It really is my opinion that Tammi is involved in the black market baby business. I think she knows where Gabriel is and I think she was involved in placing him wherever he is. I don't think you could build a house like that on money from giving gullible people enemas. Where I live that house would be about two million. There's lots of money there, and it didn't come from flushing people out.
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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Quote from: Babybear on March 12, 2010, 09:11:09 PM
IMO Tammi's enema business doesn't pass the "Smell" test.
It really is my opinion that Tammi is involved in the black market baby business. I think she knows where Gabriel is and I think she was involved in placing him wherever he is. I don't think you could build a house like that on money from giving gullible people enemas. Where I live that house would be about two million. There's lots of money there, and it didn't come from flushing people out.
I totally agree. I have been saying that from the beginning...when seeing her and Jack on the news. I can just feel it. That business is a cover. Just like this one →
For more than fifty years in the twentieth century, health-care professional Ruby Hightower ran her Hightower Health Home in Texarkana Texas through which she sold babies on a cash-only basis.
Found at:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2702249/underground_adoption_baby_brokers_ruthless.html?cat=9
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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No sign of missing Baby Gabriel in San Antonio landfill
SAN ANTONIO (AP) — San Antonio police have called off their search of a landfill after finding no signs of a baby missing since December.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said Friday that after searching through 4,600 tons of debris, police found no evidence related to the disappearance of baby Gabriel Johnson. Johnson's mother is jailed in Arizona after disappearing with the 8-month-old in mid-December.
The baby was last seen shortly after Christmas in San Antonio. Johnson, a 23-year-old from Tempe, Ariz., has refused to disclose the whereabouts of the baby.
Texas authorities spent a month sifting through trash from a hotel where Johnson had stayed.
http://www.woai.com/news/state/story/No-sign-of-missing-Baby-Gabriel-in-San-Antonio/hvRQ31xlPUe5904fUOqaaw.cspx
This is the comment that someone posted after that article;
judley1269 - 9:30 AM
If it turns out that he been adopted, he's probably better off than being with either of those squirrelly parents.
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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Quote from: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 01:17:54 PM
No sign of missing Baby Gabriel in San Antonio landfill
SAN ANTONIO (AP) — San Antonio police have called off their search of a landfill after finding no signs of a baby missing since December.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said Friday that after searching through 4,600 tons of debris, police found no evidence related to the disappearance of baby Gabriel Johnson. Johnson's mother is jailed in Arizona after disappearing with the 8-month-old in mid-December.
The baby was last seen shortly after Christmas in San Antonio. Johnson, a 23-year-old from Tempe, Ariz., has refused to disclose the whereabouts of the baby.
Texas authorities spent a month sifting through trash from a hotel where Johnson had stayed.
http://www.woai.com/news/state/story/No-sign-of-missing-Baby-Gabriel-in-San-Antonio/hvRQ31xlPUe5904fUOqaaw.cspx
This is the comment that someone posted after that article;
judley1269 - 9:30 AM
If it turns out that he been adopted, he's probably better off than being with either of those squirrelly parents.
I think I have to agree with this comment...if he is in a loving environment.
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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How is he better off? He has been a victim of a crime. "Human Trafficking" is a Federal crime. We don't sell humans.
I don't care how rich, sophisticated, religious or sweet these people are or how loving they are to him. It is total arragent to believe the end justifies the means. How can 'judley1269' be so judgemental on the father she has never met.
Gabriel has lost his identity. His real family. And if he has been taken to another country he may have lost his citizenship.
This 'judley1269' does not get it. He was not adopted he was sold! How can you trust a person who felt they had to get a baby through an "underground" source. We need to remember what may have really happened to Gabriel.
Quote from: mymonkey on March 13, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 01:17:54 PM
No sign of missing Baby Gabriel in San Antonio landfill
SAN ANTONIO (AP) San Antonio police have called off their search of a landfill after finding no signs of a baby missing since December.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said Friday that after searching through 4,600 tons of debris, police found no evidence related to the disappearance of baby Gabriel Johnson. Johnson's mother is jailed in Arizona after disappearing with the 8-month-old in mid-December.
The baby was last seen shortly after Christmas in San Antonio. Johnson, a 23-year-old from Tempe, Ariz., has refused to disclose the whereabouts of the baby.
Texas authorities spent a month sifting through trash from a hotel where Johnson had stayed.
http://www.woai.com/news/state/story/No-sign-of-missing-Baby-Gabriel-in-San-Antonio/hvRQ31xlPUe5904fUOqaaw.cspx
This is the comment that someone posted after that article;
judley1269 - 9:30 AM
If it turns out that he been adopted, he's probably better off than being with either of those squirrelly parents.
I think I have to agree with this comment...if he is in a loving environment.
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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March 14, 2010, 01:11:11 PM »
O.T.
Did anyone see "Della's Web" on Dateline, Friday night?
'Della Dante Britteon" reminds me of T.S., married five times, dropped out of high school, many different last names.
http://celebgalz.com/della-dante-sutorius-della-faye-hall-hoeffer-beyer-bassett-britteon-sutorius/
There is also a book titled "Della's Web" written in 1998.
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Baby Gabriel's Dad: I'm Moving To Texas
Logan McQueary To Leave Valley At End Of March
POSTED: 6:49 am MST March 14, 2010
UPDATED: 7:20 am MST March 14, 2010
PHOENIX -- The father of missing Baby Gabriel says he is going to move to Texas right after a custody hearing at the end of March.
Watch: Logan McQueary Is Moving To Texas
Logan McQueary made the announcement Saturday night during a fundraiser in Avondale.
It was the first time McQueary spoke publicly since police in San Antonio called off a landfill search after finding no evidence in the disappearance of the boy.
McQueary said he's already found a job and an apartment in Texas, and is anxious to get back to San Antonio to continue to search for his son.
McQueary has spent the last several months hunting for Gabriel, and throughout his search, he has maintained that his son is still alive.
McQueary said he believes Gabriel might have been the victim of an illicit adoption.
Gabriel was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, in San Antonio on Dec. 26. The Arizona woman is jailed on kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference charges.
McQueary said on Saturday he hasn't given up his attempt to visit Johnson in jail.
"I've tried several times to, they keep shooting it down," he said. "She won't talk to anybody but her brother."
Last week, Johnson refused to go to court Tuesday, delaying the case.
Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Timothy Ryan would have ruled on two motions had Johnson not refused to leave her Maricopa County jail cell.
Ryan rescheduled the hearing for this Wednesday, when he's expected to rule on a couple procedural matters.
http://www.kpho.com/news/22835949/detail.html
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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March 14, 2010, 03:04:39 PM »
Hi ALL! I agree Bellmom. If someone is desperate enough to perform an illegal act they are not the type of people who should be raising a child. Committing a federal crime to get what you want in life is wrong. it does not matter how nice or well off the people are. This is about what is right and wrong. Who knows what else people of this moral aptitude will stoop to? Would you want dishonest people raising your child?
Quote from: Belmom on March 14, 2010, 11:47:30 AM
How is he better off? He has been a victim of a crime. "Human Trafficking" is a Federal crime. We don't sell humans.
I don't care how rich, sophisticated, religious or sweet these people are or how loving they are to him. It is total arragent to believe the end justifies the means. How can 'judley1269' be so judgemental on the father she has never met.
Gabriel has lost his identity. His real family. And if he has been taken to another country he may have lost his citizenship.
This 'judley1269' does not get it. He was not adopted he was sold! How can you trust a person who felt they had to get a baby through an "underground" source. We need to remember what may have really happened to Gabriel.
Quote from: mymonkey on March 13, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 01:17:54 PM
No sign of missing Baby Gabriel in San Antonio landfill
SAN ANTONIO (AP) — San Antonio police have called off their search of a landfill after finding no signs of a baby missing since December.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said Friday that after searching through 4,600 tons of debris, police found no evidence related to the disappearance of baby Gabriel Johnson. Johnson's mother is jailed in Arizona after disappearing with the 8-month-old in mid-December.
The baby was last seen shortly after Christmas in San Antonio. Johnson, a 23-year-old from Tempe, Ariz., has refused to disclose the whereabouts of the baby.
Texas authorities spent a month sifting through trash from a hotel where Johnson had stayed.
http://www.woai.com/news/state/story/No-sign-of-missing-Baby-Gabriel-in-San-Antonio/hvRQ31xlPUe5904fUOqaaw.cspx
This is the comment that someone posted after that article;
judley1269 - 9:30 AM
If it turns out that he been adopted, he's probably better off than being with either of those squirrelly parents.
I think I have to agree with this comment...if he is in a loving environment.
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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March 14, 2010, 10:59:47 PM »
Quote from: newfie on March 14, 2010, 03:04:39 PM
Hi ALL! I agree Bellmom. If someone is desperate enough to perform an illegal act they are not the type of people who should be raising a child. Committing a federal crime to get what you want in life is wrong. it does not matter how nice or well off the people are. This is about what is right and wrong. Who knows what else people of this moral aptitude will stoop to? Would you want dishonest people raising your child?
Quote from: Belmom on March 14, 2010, 11:47:30 AM
How is he better off? He has been a victim of a crime. "Human Trafficking" is a Federal crime. We don't sell humans.
I don't care how rich, sophisticated, religious or sweet these people are or how loving they are to him. It is total arragent to believe the end justifies the means. How can 'judley1269' be so judgemental on the father she has never met.
Gabriel has lost his identity. His real family. And if he has been taken to another country he may have lost his citizenship.
This 'judley1269' does not get it. He was not adopted he was sold! How can you trust a person who felt they had to get a baby through an "underground" source. We need to remember what may have really happened to Gabriel.
Quote from: mymonkey on March 13, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 01:17:54 PM
No sign of missing Baby Gabriel in San Antonio landfill
SAN ANTONIO (AP) — San Antonio police have called off their search of a landfill after finding no signs of a baby missing since December.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said Friday that after searching through 4,600 tons of debris, police found no evidence related to the disappearance of baby Gabriel Johnson. Johnson's mother is jailed in Arizona after disappearing with the 8-month-old in mid-December.
The baby was last seen shortly after Christmas in San Antonio. Johnson, a 23-year-old from Tempe, Ariz., has refused to disclose the whereabouts of the baby.
Texas authorities spent a month sifting through trash from a hotel where Johnson had stayed.
http://www.woai.com/news/state/story/No-sign-of-missing-Baby-Gabriel-in-San-Antonio/hvRQ31xlPUe5904fUOqaaw.cspx
This is the comment that someone posted after that article;
judley1269 - 9:30 AM
If it turns out that he been adopted, he's probably better off than being with either of those squirrelly parents.
I think I have to agree with this comment...if he is in a loving environment.
I guess my hope is he is alive and is with someone that is caring for him..I stand corrected he should be with his family..frustration of these cases have got the best of me this week.I do continue praying that he is safe.
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Re: Gabriel Johnson #4 2/16/19 -
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sorry if I sounded harsh my monkey. This is frustrating to say the least. A big hug for you for caring.
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Quote from: newfie on March 14, 2010, 11:25:58 PM
sorry if I sounded harsh my monkey. This is frustrating to say the least. A big hug for you for caring.
No you were not harsh, what you said was the truth after reading your post and bellmons I felt ashamed ...I don't mind admitting to being wrong..and thank you for taking the time to post what you did.
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March 15, 2010, 12:32:05 PM »
Does anyone know a way to get the visitor log for Elizabeth? If she says the only visitor she will see is her twin brother, then how often has she met with him while locked up?
I have not heard of anyone visiting her, including her attorney.
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Quote from: Nut44x4 on March 14, 2010, 02:18:17 PM
Baby Gabriel's Dad: I'm Moving To Texas
Logan McQueary To Leave Valley At End Of March
POSTED: 6:49 am MST March 14, 2010
UPDATED: 7:20 am MST March 14, 2010
PHOENIX -- The father of missing Baby Gabriel says he is going to move to Texas right after a custody hearing at the end of March.
Watch: Logan McQueary Is Moving To Texas
Logan McQueary made the announcement Saturday night during a fundraiser in Avondale.
It was the first time McQueary spoke publicly since police in San Antonio called off a landfill search after finding no evidence in the disappearance of the boy.
McQueary said he's already found a job and an apartment in Texas, and is anxious to get back to San Antonio to continue to search for his son.
McQueary has spent the last several months hunting for Gabriel, and throughout his search, he has maintained that his son is still alive.
McQueary said he believes Gabriel might have been the victim of an illicit adoption.
Gabriel was last seen with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, in San Antonio on Dec. 26. The Arizona woman is jailed on kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference charges.
McQueary said on Saturday he hasn't given up his attempt to visit Johnson in jail.
"I've tried several times to, they keep shooting it down," he said. "She won't talk to anybody but her brother."
Last week, Johnson refused to go to court Tuesday, delaying the case.
Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Timothy Ryan would have ruled on two motions had Johnson not refused to leave her Maricopa County jail cell.
Ryan rescheduled the hearing for this Wednesday, when he's expected to rule on a couple procedural matters.
http://www.kpho.com/news/22835949/detail.html
I sure would like to know in what capacity he will be looking for Gabriel if he is going back to work and JJ Armes is out of the picture? This is not making me feel very confident that anyone is actively searching for Gabriel - I wish we knew more.
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Quote from: Monkey with Class on March 15, 2010, 12:32:05 PM
Does anyone know a way to get the visitor log for Elizabeth? If she says the only visitor she will see is her twin brother, then how often has she met with him while locked up?
I have not heard of anyone visiting her, including her attorney.
I am not sure how we would get our hands on that log but you ask a good question. I have never heard of him going to visit after him and his grandfather were turned away at the jail because they weren't allowing visits that day and that was in the beginning of this case.
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Mother of missing Arizona baby expected in court
The Associated Press
PHOENIX -- The mother of an Arizona baby who's been missing for nearly three months is expected to be in court Wednesday.
Elizabeth Johnson had refused to leave her cell for a court hearing last week, but Judge Timothy Ryan ordered deputies to "use any means necessary" to get her to Wednesday's hearing.
The 23-year-old Johnson is being held in Maricopa County jail in connection with her son Gabriel's disappearance.
Gabriel was 8 months old when he was last seen in late December in San Antonio, and police don't know whether he's alive.
Police say Johnson drove the boy to San Antonio from Tempe, stayed about a week, then took a bus to Florida without him. She was arrested Dec. 30 in Florida and is charged in Arizona with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/17/1533283/mother-of-missing-arizona-baby.html
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Mother of missing Arizona baby expected in court (video)
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Mother-of-missing-Arizona-baby-expected-in-court-88166277.html
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Thanks Northern
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
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===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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