Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[Keepthefaith]

Hey Janet....Can ya hear the chants from south of the border????


USA,USA,USA,USA

[Tamikosmom]

Hey Janet....Can ya hear the chants from south of the border????


USA,USA,USA,USA

WHAT IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING?  I CAN'T HEAR YA.


O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.


Hey Keepthefaith ... it ain't over until its over!

Good Night Neighbour.

Janet
10:45 PM

[Keepthefaith]

Hey Janet....Can ya hear the chants from south of the border????


USA,USA,USA,USA

WHAT IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING?  I CAN'T HEAR YA.


O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.


Hey Keepthefaith ... it ain't over until its over!

Good Night Neighbour.

Janet
10:45 PM

[Keepthefaith]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

 

[Bearlyhere]

Dana is very easy to talk to and very kind to callers.  He will even help you if you forget your question or whatever.  I sort of feel mean continuing to question him about his having respect for the dead.  I can't really think of anybody I have felt this way about before other than serial killers and such.

You did good, Anna.
To me the point where Dana crossed the line was calling those who talked ill of Paulus "low class"

I think what Dana was saying is it is okay to feel the way you do about Paulus and call him pond scum or whatever,  It is not okay, to make fun of the actual event--like making fun of the heart attack.  I think he was upset about people making fun of the idea of someone having a heart attack no matter who it is.

 

[Bearlyhere]

 
Personally, if I were her, I'd be scared that "the powers that be" know I know.

Didn't Shango (oh, no, Shango) say a family would return to Holland, broke???

She certainly will be broke if Joran gets his mitts on any insurance money or access to her checking account.  I hope she remembers she has children other than her beloved sporter.

So the grieving widow is on Facebook being disrespectful of the girl her son made disappear already.  Guess it is safe to assume she is not too broken up over these developments.  Also appears we should not expect much from her in this regard as well.

There is no excuse for her comments.  This tells me, however, her loose lips are gonna sink perps.  I think with enough rope, she will hang herself and lots of others.  Paulus was the hand across her mouth and now it is completely open.  Watch her tell secrets one at a time.

 

[Bearlyhere]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

Please light a candle for Natalee and reflect on her life.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

[Frank]

Okay, let's pray. It's not as much making fun of Premeditated Paulus as it is a celebration of Lent. "Remember you are dust" and we've sacrificed enough. Let's burn away the pretense that this is a mystery, it's not and it's over. Even the anger has been diluted by the obvious. You can tell, there used to be excitement hearing Dana's show. But now and tonight was very uninspired. Jossy seemed like a bad tribute Jossy Mansur band. I celebrate that the murderer Paulus has no more life, not one second. Now take the ashes of van der straaten. Rape is the only way these cowards will spawn. The sons of van der sloot. Please take them soon God.

[carpe noctem]

The Van der sloots and Kalpoes dying out one by one should be a joyous occasion to anyone who cares about life and their own family.



Whenever the truly evil die in clouds of napalm of their own making… it has been a great day!

I hope they keep droppin’ in 2010. It’s like community service patrol coming behind and
taking out the trash.

[Sharon/Tx]

Good morning Monkeys and guests.  Thanks for the updates and the podcast on Dana's show.  5 years.  How many tears have to be shed before this case is solved?  If Aruba reads here.........

 

"If you have any information regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, please contact the FBI Tip Line at 1-877-628-2533"

Someone, somewhere can solve this.  Stop the madness, pain and sorrow for the Holloways and Aruba. 
 

[sharon]

That pond has been bone dry and cracked open and searched and then searched with water in it and nothing.  I don't get it.

And does Tim really think there was nothing in the trap found?  Could he just be getting them back down there to see if anything left or something?  I don't know about any of this but everything seems sort of off the tracks as far as looking for Natalee now.  Maybe just my impression and totally wrong.

I don't believe Natalee was ever in the pond.  If there was anything there that could be considered evidence in this case; it was collected long before any American searched there.

If anything is found there now, it was planted.

And quite frankly, if anything related to this case is found in any of the 140 remaining targets in the ocean; I'll think it was planted too!

They can't undo what we know was done.  Period.

JMO

I totally agree with you both.

And it begs the question -- I wonder when Jossy last spoke with Dave Holloway that he KNOWS this is what Dave wants???

I'm with Frank -- Jossy needs to explain "Karin Jannsen, woman of the year" and "Jan VDS -- a real nice guy" before I'm willing to put any credence in his words. If Words = 0 and Actions = 100, Jossy is 0  (jmo).

Apparently Anita is not a believer in 'karma' -- too bad for her that karma doesn't care whether Anita is a believer or not. And Anita -- karma is a bigger b$tch than you and the skank ho and the skank ho's mother combined.


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway.
Peace for her family and loved ones.

[sharon]

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/12/1124/

CNN sprak gisteren met Anita van der Sloot, de moeder van Joran. Zij
vertelde ervan overtuigd te zijn dat haar zoon de autoriteiten alles heeft

verteld en onschuldig is. “Hij was bereid om met alles te helpen en zei
tegen me ‘Mam, maak je geen zorgen, alles zal goedkomen. Ik weet dat ik
onschuldig ben. Ik heb niets gedaan’. Hij was erg open tegenover ons en
vertelde alles wat er is gebeurd.” Joran heeft volgens haar ook aangeboden
om met de familie van Natalee Holloway te praten.

CNN talked yesterday with Anita van der Sloot, the mother of Joran. She says that she is convinced that her son has told the authorities everything and that he is innocnet. “He was willing to help with everything and told me ‘Mom, don’t worry, everything will be allright. I didn’t do anything’. He was very open with us and told everything that happened.” Joran also offered to speak to the family of Natalee Holloway, according to her.



AND HER NOSE BEGAN TO GROW AND GROW AND GROW  (jmo)

[Rob]

A few pages back, Anna said a few things made her wonder - or some such thing. One was the comment made by Paulus - Joran was the last to be seen with Natalee - to Anita.

This has always held my attention and made me wonder why someone would really open up like that on an open line especially since it seems that Paulus may have already known he was being wiretapped. Remember, Paulus told the three idiots to watch what they say and their electronic transmissions. To me, this was always some sort of cover for Paulus himself. After-all, Anita was coming home and he was gonna have to explain his role to HER. This is called a pre-emptive strike. This is what my little brother did before my mother came home from work. He would call her up and say Rob did such and such, all the while neglecting his role in whatever it was we were into as kids.

Now, on to the wiretaps. You see, a charge of pre-mediated murder RISES above and beyond some sort of nominal accident. This can not be associated with a hit and run, nor a accidental drowning in your pool as you were making hamburgers and were paying no attention to what was taking place on your property.

Something allows this particular charge. Karin Jansen claimed that Paulus gave CONFLICTING statements. He gave the prosecutor's office one set of declarations and said something entirely different in the media. And please remember, Paulus said very little in the media. The Sloots claimed that this alone was the reason for the arrest. However, had this been all there was, there would have been the equivalent of a 2nd or 3rd degree charge at the maximum, if there would have been any charge at all.

In order to get to "pre-mediated" there needs to be an accompaniment of extraordinary malice. Pre-mediated take the case to a whole new and completely different level. There needs to be some evidence that explains that charge. It can't just come out of thin air and hope it sticks somewhere down the road.

Paulus' whereabouts after the casino video have never been confirmed nor has there been any great desire in the media to pin down where he was. More fingers keep pointing at Paulus - and the lack of desire to clarify any role he had in this case remains one of the larger mysteries. Sometimes when trying to clarify the finer points, you open up the proverbial can of you know what.

If there were wiretaps - and only wiretaps - confirming a conversation between van der Straaten and Paulus (which we know took place as confirmed by Rudy Croes) this alone would be subjective and could not alone rise to the level evidence needed to place a charge of "pre-mediated". There is something more here. And I want to know what it is.

***

The pond search - part III or otherwise known as the Aruban Groundhog day.

I was highly disappointed in the interview with Tim last night. No matter how many times we ask - and thanks to Lifesong for the recommended line of questioning - nothing ever materializes here. No blame toward Dana, but Tim steered directly away from the question and started in on the 140 remaining targets and the pond. I literally wanted to scream! How frustrating. If the pond is searched again, and I have no reason to doubt it won't be, it will be a colossal waste of time and money. This is what I have come to expect in this case. One step forward - six back.

Also nice to know that searchers gave one point seven million, but no mention of the 200+ million stolen in the IPO scam. And not to forget, they left before anyone could even put a stamp on an envelope after begging for money. Ethics and morality hard co-exist with this group.

And to top it all off, they found the trap, and continued jacking around for another 6-8 weeks never bothering to look at any of the other 140 targets. The time to look at the other targets was then - while they were there mapping for gas and oil, not now two and a half years later. They had the time, resources, and of-course expertise.

***

I'm not hopeful that anything new will happen, but I hope I am wrong and someone does speak. In a place like Aruba there is always someone to take Paulus' spot in the hierarchy of their thugdom.

[Buckeye]

I agree with Anna.  Anita has known from day one and is part of the cover up.

From Libelle interview, June 2007:

“Twee jaar geleden, in mei, werd mijn oma negentig jaar. Ik was in Nederland om haar verjaardag te vieren. Kort voor ik weer terug zou keren naar Aruba, belde mijn man Paul me op en vertelde dat op Aruba een meisje werd vermist. En hij zei erbij: ‘Schijnbaar is Joran de laatste geweest die met haar samen was.’ Er ging onmiddellijk van alles door mijn hoofd, allerlei gedachten streden om voorrang. Heel verwarrend vond ik het dat er ook dingen in me opkwamen als: Potverdorie, zondagavond is hij dus blijkbaar uit geweest. Wij wisten van niets, hij moest het huis uit zijn geslopen.”

translated:

"Two years ago, in May, my grandmother was ninety years. I was in the Netherlands to celebrate her birthday. Shortly before I would return to Aruba, my husband called me and told Paul that a girl was missing in Aruba. And he said there: "Apparently Joran was the last who was with her." We immediately went through my head of everything, all thoughts were fighting for position. I found it very confusing that things came to mind as: golly, Sunday night he apparently been out. We knew nothing, he had crept out of the house. "


She repeated the same thing on P& W (before the wine incident).

Now I ask you, would she use those words if they believed that that Joran and his two friends dropped an American tourist off at her hotel?  Supposedly, they had no idea Joran's first story (the HI) was a lie. pffft..   Joran, Paulus and Anita planned the cover up before she ever left the Netherlands.

[Tamikosmom]

 
                             

                             

Joining you in your dance!

Bearlyhere

The image of me dancing to my own drummer was captured by you way back.

Thanks again.

Janet

[Rob]

One other point.

The very fact that the Sloots had to run in the dead of night with Paulus' body... and no obit in the local papers spoke volumes. Even they know he was a pile of garbage. Too afraid that a mob would assemble and deny Paulus his moment of peace in death - something he denied Natalee. One set of standards for the Sloots and another for everyone else. A service for that coward in secret said all we needed to know.

[can]

 
Personally, if I were her, I'd be scared that "the powers that be" know I know.

Didn't Shango (oh, no, Shango) say a family would return to Holland, broke???

She certainly will be broke if Joran gets his mitts on any insurance money or access to her checking account.  I hope she remembers she has children other than her beloved sporter.

So the grieving widow is on Facebook being disrespectful of the girl her son made disappear already.  Guess it is safe to assume she is not too broken up over these developments.  Also appears we should not expect much from her in this regard as well.

There is no excuse for her comments.  This tells me, however, her loose lips are gonna sink perps.  I think with enough rope, she will hang herself and lots of others.  Paulus was the hand across her mouth and now it is completely open.  Watch her tell secrets one at a time.

 

Anita's comments were beyond disgusting!  How could she?!   
I totally agree with all your points. 
Loose lips combined with stupidity can be dangerous.  Watch out perps...was it Robots that said "You're going down"!!!!!!!

[can]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

Please light a candle for Natalee and reflect on her life.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thanks Bearly!   

[klaasend]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16482/8/

Candela na Agencia Funeraria Zepp Wever
Sunday, 21 February 2010 - 06:11

Diadomingo marduga personal di seguridad di Cayena Mall a bin ripara cu huma lo ta saliendo for di agencia funeraria Zepp Wever. Mesora no a pensa dos biaha y a bati alarma na central. Almenos dos unidad bomberil a presenta n'e sitio unda a bin descubri cu patras di e agencia funeraria lo tin un apartament cu lo ta  na candela. Click lesa mas pa mas info...

Personal di brandweer a drenta e apartament y a combati e candela den un tempo record, mientrastanto e donjonan di agencia funeraria Zepp Wever a yega n'e sitio pa kita corriente y habri portanan pa huma bandona e edificio. No tabata tin ningun victima registra, pero si un cliente cu lo mester a wordo transporta pa un otro funeraria debi cu e freezer no  ta traha sin corriente. Departamento technico di brandweer lo investiga con e candela aki a origina. 

Through translator:

wever fire at funeral zepp Fire at Zepp Wever Funeral Home

Sunday, 21 February 2010 - 06:11
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[can]

A few pages back, Anna said a few things made her wonder - or some such thing. One was the comment made by Paulus - Joran was the last to be seen with Natalee - to Anita.

This has always held my attention and made me wonder why someone would really open up like that on an open line especially since it seems that Paulus may have already known he was being wiretapped. Remember, Paulus told the three idiots to watch what they say and their electronic transmissions. To me, this was always some sort of cover for Paulus himself. After-all, Anita was coming home and he was gonna have to explain his role to HER. This is called a pre-emptive strike. This is what my little brother did before my mother came home from work. He would call her up and say Rob did such and such, all the while neglecting his role in whatever it was we were into as kids.

Now, on to the wiretaps. You see, a charge of pre-mediated murder RISES above and beyond some sort of nominal accident. This can not be associated with a hit and run, nor a accidental drowning in your pool as you were making hamburgers and were paying no attention to what was taking place on your property.

Something allows this particular charge. Karin Jansen claimed that Paulus gave CONFLICTING statements. He gave the prosecutor's office one set of declarations and said something entirely different in the media. And please remember, Paulus said very little in the media. The Sloots claimed that this alone was the reason for the arrest. However, had this been all there was, there would have been the equivalent of a 2nd or 3rd degree charge at the maximum, if there would have been any charge at all.

In order to get to "pre-mediated" there needs to be an accompaniment of extraordinary malice. Pre-mediated take the case to a whole new and completely different level. There needs to be some evidence that explains that charge. It can't just come out of thin air and hope it sticks somewhere down the road.

Paulus' whereabouts after the casino video have never been confirmed nor has there been any great desire in the media to pin down where he was. More fingers keep pointing at Paulus - and the lack of desire to clarify any role he had in this case remains one of the larger mysteries. Sometimes when trying to clarify the finer points, you open up the proverbial can of you know what.

If there were wiretaps - and only wiretaps - confirming a conversation between van der Straaten and Paulus (which we know took place as confirmed by Rudy Croes) this alone would be subjective and could not alone rise to the level evidence needed to place a charge of "pre-mediated". There is something more here. And I want to know what it is.

***

The pond search - part III or otherwise known as the Aruban Groundhog day.

I was highly disappointed in the interview with Tim last night. No matter how many times we ask - and thanks to Lifesong for the recommended line of questioning - nothing ever materializes here. No blame toward Dana, but Tim steered directly away from the question and started in on the 140 remaining targets and the pond. I literally wanted to scream! How frustrating. If the pond is searched again, and I have no reason to doubt it won't be, it will be a colossal waste of time and money. This is what I have come to expect in this case. One step forward - six back.

Also nice to know that searchers gave one point seven million, but no mention of the 200+ million stolen in the IPO scam. And not to forget, they left before anyone could even put a stamp on an envelope after begging for money. Ethics and morality hard co-exist with this group.

And to top it all off, they found the trap, and continued jacking around for another 6-8 weeks never bothering to look at any of the other 140 targets. The time to look at the other targets was then - while they were there mapping for gas and oil, not now two and a half years later. They had the time, resources, and of-course expertise.

***

I'm not hopeful that anything new will happen, but I hope I am wrong and someone does speak. In a place like Aruba there is always someone to take Paulus' spot in the hierarchy of their thugdom.

Great post Rob.
 
"There is something more here and I want to know what it is"   

Me too Rob, and I agree PVDS was covering his azz to his wife and sacrificing his son in so doing.
Lifesongs questions were excellent and I regret they were not answered.
Sometimes a non answer is an answer and I doubt we will ever have clarification from Tim.