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« Reply #1100 on: February 21, 2010, 01:49:35 PM »

Anita out of town
Paulus sitting next to Natalee in the Casino
"You're own father, unbelievable"
"This wouldn't have happened if you were home" (sic) referring to Anita
Premeditated Murder

Paulus is the murderer.

His behavior was the strangest that evening, not Joran or the kalpoes.


Hi Blonde.  It's always nice to see you here.

That pic. still give me the creeps and if I pause to think what might have been going on inside his head...it makes my flesh crawl!


Great posts everyone!  It's been a pleasure getting caught up.

What makes my flesh crawl as well is the knowledge that while they were all sitting at that poker table together, Joran was pretending to be a tourist staying at the hotel also.

What / who was Paulus pretending to be?  Its obvious he didn't blow Joran's story, so he must've known about and gone along with it.  Sick.  Sick, sick, sick.



Sick games between father and son. 
Wonder what/who PVDS was pretending to be?  Boy I'd love to know that. Wonder what he said to Natalee...it's too bad, as far as we know, that Natalee's friends didn't hear.

Praise to all Monkey Dad's who are good role models to their sons! 
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« Reply #1101 on: February 21, 2010, 01:50:44 PM »

Anita out of town
Paulus sitting next to Natalee in the Casino
"You're own father, unbelievable"
"This wouldn't have happened if you were home" (sic) referring to Anita
Premeditated Murder

Paulus is the murderer.

His behavior was the strangest that evening, not Joran or the kalpoes.


Hi Blonde.  It's always nice to see you here.

That pic. still give me the creeps and if I pause to think what might have been going on inside his head...it makes my flesh crawl!


Great posts everyone!  It's been a pleasure getting caught up.

What makes my flesh crawl as well is the knowledge that while they were all sitting at that poker table together, Joran was pretending to be a tourist staying at the hotel also.

What / who was Paulus pretending to be?  Its obvious he didn't blow Joran's story, so he must've known about and gone along with it.  Sick.  Sick, sick, sick.



Sick games between father and son. 
Wonder what/who PVDS was pretending to be?  Boy I'd love to know that. Wonder what he said to Natalee...it's too bad, as far as we know, that Natalee's friends didn't hear.

Praise to all Monkey Dad's who are good role models to their sons! 


self edit to add ...and to their daughters!
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« Reply #1102 on: February 21, 2010, 02:26:26 PM »



Great posts everyone!  It's been a pleasure getting caught up.

What makes my flesh crawl as well is the knowledge that while they were all sitting at that poker table together, Joran was pretending to be a tourist staying at the hotel also.

What / who was Paulus pretending to be?  Its obvious he didn't blow Joran's story, so he must've known about and gone along with it.  Sick.  Sick, sick, sick.



Lifesong

There was a time prior to the exposure of the casino recording that my mind would not comprehend Paulus' involvement other than a participant to the coverup.

Congratulations to all Americans in regard to the great showing at the Vancouver Winter (?) Olympics.  (While hubby drove ... I walked home from church on this beautiful Sunday morning carrying my jacket.)

Anyways ... there are evenings while watching the various awards ceremonies on our recently acquired large screen television ... I forget that I am not American when the Nation Anthem is being played when your athetes are accepting their Gold medal.

Have a good day all!

Janet




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« Reply #1103 on: February 21, 2010, 02:40:34 PM »

IF you are not caught up on what everyone believe they know.
To go back to the beginning there are various ways this could have gone down.

Only MB can say if that IS Paulus at the table or NOT. We all would like to think it is.

When Arubagirl posted early.. Her words indicated a drug dealer involved.

Paulus is NOT a drug dealer.. Luis M. is/was on the date in question and his partner was Colombian.

The boys could have brought Natalee to the party.

Joran was KNOWN by the MB kiddies..There is no way in hell that he planned a rape and murder of Natalee Ann Holloway.

What ever happened to her was unplanned by Joran

Paulus moved quick to cover for the boys..

There are various reasons WHY he would have done that.
1. Paulus was involved.
2. Bad guys who could kill all family members were involved and Joran was stupid enough to be involved with them. This put Both the Sloot families and Kalpoe familes and all members at risk of great body harm.


By the way Luis M ... IS he out of jail yet ?? That tells the story of rich and powerful on the rock called Aruba. 

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« Reply #1104 on: February 21, 2010, 02:44:44 PM »




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Thank you Blonde.

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THE CASINO RECORDING

Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - September 19, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement - July 12, 2005


After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


The Lineup - June 9, 2006  

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE: It has been one year since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Unfortunately we are left now with more questions than answers. What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html


Rita Cosby Live & Direct - April 4, 2006

RITA COSBY, HOST:  John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process. ....

COSBY:  And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before? 

KELLY:  No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her.  And it certainly appears to be to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

 
ABC7CHICAGO - February 23, 2006

(Michael) Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.
 
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339&ft=print


Dana Pretzer Show - December 14, 2006

DANA PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/


Paulus Van der Sloot and the Man at the Excelsior Casino … You Make the call
Posted May 9, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/paulus-van-der-sloot-and-the-man-at-the-excelsior-casino-you-make-the-call/

 
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« Reply #1105 on: February 21, 2010, 02:47:22 PM »

When the casino recording that captures Paulus and Natalee conversing is considered ... father and son lied in their respective statements.  Why was it important that a Paulus - Natalee connection was not revealed?

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Witness Statement - Paulus van der Sloot - June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=237.0


Suspect Statement - Joran van der Sloot - June 9, 2005

 On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father. It is a poker game in which you get 7 cards and you have to make a card combination with your best (5) cards. You get 500 U.S. $ of fake money and with this money you play. I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours.

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« Reply #1106 on: February 21, 2010, 02:52:12 PM »

IF you are not caught up on what everyone believe they know.
To go back to the beginning there are various ways this could have gone down.

Only MB can say if that IS Paulus at the table or NOT. We all would like to think it is.

When Arubagirl posted early.. Her words indicated a drug dealer involved.

Paulus is NOT a drug dealer.. Luis M. is/was on the date in question and his partner was Colombian.

The boys could have brought Natalee to the party.

Joran was KNOWN by the MB kiddies..There is no way in hell that he planned a rape and murder of Natalee Ann Holloway.

What ever happened to her was unplanned by Joran

Paulus moved quick to cover for the boys..

There are various reasons WHY he would have done that.
1. Paulus was involved.
2. Bad guys who could kill all family members were involved and Joran was stupid enough to be involved with them. This put Both the Sloot families and Kalpoe familes and all members at risk of great body harm.


By the way Luis M ... IS he out of jail yet ?? That tells the story of rich and powerful on the rock called Aruba. 



Edward ... the following words of Beth convinces me that she knows that Paulus' was at the Black Jack table conversing with Natalee.  I tend to believe that this truth was revealed by the MB students when Paulus' image began appearing in the media.

Janet

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Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - September 19, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement - July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


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« Reply #1107 on: February 21, 2010, 03:04:16 PM »

Billybob = Medleyrelay = Jan Brennan



Get real Billybob/Medley, you really think he was referring to his time in jail?  Like what, the time he dropped the soap?  Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #1108 on: February 21, 2010, 03:04:33 PM »

Thank you Tamikosmom for all the wonderful highlights on peoples quotes. You always do great work.

We will not know for sure until somebody has the guts to show that various video footage taken in and around that poker table.
If anybody thinks that is the ONLY view then that person has no idea how a casino is monitored against theft and trickery.
There is footage that clearly shows that person at the table.
Casino=mob.. especially on the rock called Aruba in my humble opinion.

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« Reply #1109 on: February 21, 2010, 03:08:36 PM »

Billybob = Medleyrelay = Jan Brennan



Get real Billybob/Medley, you really think he was referring to his time in jail?  Like what, the time he dropped the soap?  Monkey Devil!

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« Reply #1110 on: February 21, 2010, 03:14:25 PM »

Thank you Tamikosmom for all the wonderful highlights on peoples quotes. You always do great work.

We will not know for sure until somebody has the guts to show that various video footage taken in and around that poker table.
If anybody thinks that is the ONLY view then that person has no idea how a casino is monitored against theft and trickery.
There is footage that clearly shows that person at the table.
Casino=mob.. especially on the rock called Aruba in my humble opinion.



Yep.  Remember how the times weren't correct too?  I'll have to go back and look but the times were off.  Were were told it was a problem with the casino cameras.  I call BS on that.  Properly working casino cameras and LOT'S OF THEM, have to be on top of the must have list for amy casino owner.
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« Reply #1111 on: February 21, 2010, 03:27:15 PM »

I agee.

It is Paulus !  Always has been.

I'm thinking so too ...  and at the house, IMO.
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« Reply #1112 on: February 21, 2010, 03:31:56 PM »

Was Paulus on the list of people to be questioned in the Kalpoe case ?

It is Paulus and his associates we are dealing with. Anything is possible.

A live Paulus hidden like a nazi war criminal.
Or a dead Paulus deleted in the name of Lawsuit Money.



Good questions.  It would be interesting to know if Paulus was to be deposed.  How do we find out?
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« Reply #1113 on: February 21, 2010, 03:32:48 PM »

Billybob = Medleyrelay = Jan Brennan



Get real Billybob/Medley, you really think he was referring to his time in jail?  Like what, the time he dropped the soap?  Monkey Devil!

Billybob/Medley has no sense of the truth.  Joran said in that Inside Edition interview that there was more
to be told, but it would hurt too many people.  Paulus said basically the same in that interview he did in
Holland when he talked about being friends with Van der Straaten.
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« Reply #1114 on: February 21, 2010, 03:37:17 PM »


 
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« Reply #1115 on: February 21, 2010, 03:45:16 PM »

Was Paulus on the list of people to be questioned in the Kalpoe case ?

It is Paulus and his associates we are dealing with. Anything is possible.

A live Paulus hidden like a nazi war criminal.
Or a dead Paulus deleted in the name of Lawsuit Money.



Good questions.  It would be interesting to know if Paulus was to be deposed.  How do we find out?


Ask the lawyers that represent Dr.Phil if Paulus was on the list.
IF he was, then that could be reason to disappear Paulus.
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« Reply #1116 on: February 21, 2010, 04:22:10 PM »

Excelsior Casino Video Control Room



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« Reply #1118 on: February 21, 2010, 04:47:33 PM »



Great posts everyone!  It's been a pleasure getting caught up.

What makes my flesh crawl as well is the knowledge that while they were all sitting at that poker table together, Joran was pretending to be a tourist staying at the hotel also.

What / who was Paulus pretending to be?  Its obvious he didn't blow Joran's story, so he must've known about and gone along with it.  Sick.  Sick, sick, sick.



Lifesong

There was a time prior to the exposure of the casino recording that my mind would not comprehend Paulus' involvement other than a participant to the coverup.

Congratulations to all Americans in regard to the great showing at the Vancouver Winter (?) Olympics.  (While hubby drove ... I walked home from church on this beautiful Sunday morning carrying my jacket.)

Anyways ... there are evenings while watching the various awards ceremonies on our recently acquired large screen television ... I forget that I am not American when the Nation Anthem is being played when your athetes are accepting their Gold medal.

Have a good day all!

Janet

Janet your Canada is beautiful. I love the way they had the campaign to get Canadian athletes on the podium. It worked. Whoever came up with that campaign was genius!
Did you watch Ohno! His dad use to drive from Seattle every weekend so that his son could practice in Canada where the Olympics are being held. Last night he passed Bonny Blairs medal standing. And he still has 3 more events I think.

You know that bridge you talked about that you take your visitors to, the one that wobbels and sways with every step, they are showing it on TV right now. It's a death defying drop. Me, I'd be able to hop it. heh heh

It's a good Sunday Janet, peace be still.



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« Reply #1119 on: February 21, 2010, 04:53:49 PM »

Thanks Rob on the control room video stills.
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