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« Reply #1180 on: February 22, 2010, 10:30:08 AM »

Thank you Klaas.  I'm sure this has been addressed, I'm just catching up.  But just in case it hasn't been........

I've read a fair amount at RU over the years, and here is some background on the "freckle" these people are talking about.

In the descriptions of Natalee when she first disappeared, Beth made mention of a "freckle" or "mole" on........I think Natalee's right shoulder.

Well, the folks at RU took all of the pictures of Natalee, decided that was not an "identifiable mark" as you couldn't see it from a distance.

So that MUST mean that Beth really didn't want Natalee found.    I know, ridiculous logic.

So anyway, that's what "freckle" they are referring to.

This post on FB by Anita not only shows her complete lack of a sense of loss at her husband's VERY recent demise, it also says some things about her character, and her knowledge of what happened to Natalee.

I mean, what does the word "reincarnated" mean?  Something has come back to life, right?  So this tells me that not only does she STILL have no remorse for what her family did to Natalee, or any respect for what that did to Natalee's family - but that she also knows Natalee is dead.


Guess Anita isn't horribly upset.  Posted 12 hours ago on Julia Renfro's facebook wall 

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=julia+renfro&init=quick#!/profile.php?v=wall&ref=search&id=1588057630





You nailed it Jen!  How could she even engage in any conversation of this nature!?  It's obscene and very telling!
Keep talking Anita.









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« Reply #1181 on: February 22, 2010, 10:32:21 AM »

Of course -- this pertains to the US, but if Aruba has similar rules (funny -- Aruba and rules in the same sentence) -- this is what Antonio Carlos was able to avoid since the company was dissolve prior to Paulus's untimely passing.


http://www.newyorklife.com/nyl/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=574fdcec569d2210a2b3019d221024301cacRCRD

What If Your Business Partner Died Tonight?

There's nothing quite like the business relationship between partners (or, for that matter, co-owners of a closely-held company). In fact, you probably spend more time with your partner than you do with your spouse. Ideally your business partner is one of your business' greatest assets. But that person is also your greatest potential liability. Ask yourself a few key questions: What if my partner died suddenly — perhaps tonight? What would happen to the business? What would happen to my family and my partner's family? These may not be the most pleasant questions, but they're ones you cannot afford to ignore.

Why? Because the danger is real. The odds that one of you will die prior to retirement are a lot higher than you might think.

Now imagine what can happen to the business when a co-owner dies. The results can be disastrous — and usually are. Conflicting concerns between the surviving owners and the deceased's family are fairly common, as everyone becomes concerned about the future. Depending on the deceased partner's role in the business, ongoing business problems might occur on top of that. As suppliers take a nervous wait-and-see position, creditors become antsy for payment and refuse to extend additional credit. Customers may back away. Valued employees may leave. In short, problems compound, feed on themselves.

Four Choices
What are your options? If your business partner died tonight, you and the other survivors would have four choices:

   1. You could liquidate the business and distribute the remaining assets. Of course, in the process, you would do away with your own source of income, as well as with a business enterprise in which you've invested a great deal of time and money. Plus, the business assets might only sell for a fraction of what they are worth.
   2. You could take in your late partner's heirs as your new associates. However, keep in mind that a successful partnership is a delicately balanced relationship. Except in rare situations, bringing on board a deceased partner's spouse or other heir can be difficult.
   3. You could sell out to the heirs. This also rarely works. Starting with an almost inevitable tug-of-war over the purchase price, the situation usually goes downhill from there.
   4. You (and other partners) could buy out the surviving heirs' share of the business. This, in most cases, is the most practical course of action. Once again, however, there are the problems of establishing price and terms, as well as coming up with the money.

The Buy-Sell Concept is Simple
A properly arranged and funded agreement is a legally binding contract that spells out exactly what is to happen if one of the business's owners dies. The document itself can be as simple or complex as needed and can provide for virtually any contingency. However, it generally calls for the survivors to buy — and their heirs to sell — the deceased owner's share in the business. Just as important, it should spell out the actual purchase price or, more commonly, provides an objective formula for determining the price when needed.

Retirement
You don't have to retire! That's one of the nice perks of being self-employed or a business owner. You're a doer. You like to make decisions and see results. But maybe someday — perhaps when you're 65, 75 or older — you just might want the option to trade the fun and frustration of work for golf, gardening, vacationing with the grandkids or sitting back and relaxing with family and friends. Just as important, you also want to have all your ducks in a row, so to speak, when it comes to making sure your loved ones are well provided for in the future.

Neither of these goals just happens. It is the result of planning, of decisions you make today. Because, as the old saying goes: Those who fail to plan... fail. That means retirement planning and estate planning... mapping out a strategy to create options for you and for your family.
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« Reply #1182 on: February 22, 2010, 10:35:02 AM »

Ohhhh the IRONY - it's delicious.

What comes full circle.

I am often amazed at God's timing and grace. I try to remember to allow God to work in His time and not mine. It's often difficult because I am a mere mortal. I, like many of you, often question my own existence and God's plan for me. I am left scratching my head more often than not and wonder why it all shakes out as it does.

This morning I thought of the horrible set of circumstances that Aruba intentionally placed itself in. And then the giggle of IRONY quickly arose. I really started laughing as I haven't in quite some time. It has to be the work of a higher power that ripped the rug out from under Aruba. And it's all about choices. It's like when you make a poor decision and then it all comes crashing down and you close your eyes and and place you hands over you head. You just don't want to look. Sure, you can put on a brave face, but you know you did something that hurts. LOL

Paulus is dead and gone - he's escaped earthly justice but not justice in the after-life. I bet he's got his eyes closed and his hands over his head right about now too. And I love that aspect. I wonder if Paulus would have done things differently had he known he had only five years left if he could have been given a long life even if that would have meant some jail time. It's really neither here nor there, but it's interesting to consider. And in a way, Paulus DID live in his own self-exile inside his own being, and that's a punishment in it's own right. Karma really does exist. No question about it.

Joran is dead inside and gone from Aruba. He, too, will face the ultimate justice someday - and I don't think that day is too far off. He tries to cheat the cards he's dealt, but like everyone who rolls with this strategy, it all catches up at some point. At some point it all comes up snake eyes.

Now the best part - Aruba has NO tourism, and they STILL have the Kalpoes, who have a collapsing lawsuit.  Monkey Devil! This is like having a clogged sewage system and your kid just keeps flushing it up stairs, and now he's tossing in legos, small toys, newspaper, a hairbrush, and any darn thing he can to just gunk up the works. Liquid plumber is not going to fix this mess - you need a specialist with specialized tools. 

Ohhh the irony is delicious to o b s e r v e and sometimes you just sit back and watch it all implode and have a good laugh.
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« Reply #1183 on: February 22, 2010, 11:20:26 AM »

Is Paulus is dead and gone, I'm not seeing any real proof of this besides what were intended to see.
They announced the death as a heart attack within hours of it occurring..
Hmmm is he really dead or just hiding out. Anita is acting like nothing happened.
Anita was in the Netherlands (with the body) on Friday.Hmm is their any proof of this.
Why didn't Anita have a autopsy done?
She sure isn't acting like anything is wrong.
Why call a Ambulance for Palus but dump Natalee in the Ocean....
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« Reply #1184 on: February 22, 2010, 11:26:16 AM »

I'm just catching up................ I REALLY don't get the whole "Tim Miller, Jossy Mansur" scenario. We are NOT being told the truth. We here at SM know better. We are NOT stupid, we are NOT forgetting what we KNOW. We are NOT going away. We will NOT re-write history.
I'm really PO'd about this. Tim Miller : I REALLY respect you and your work........................... but, PLEASE think what you are doing here. Don't let Natalee down.

 
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« Reply #1185 on: February 22, 2010, 11:35:24 AM »

Ohhhh the IRONY - it's delicious.

What comes full circle.

I am often amazed at God's timing and grace. I try to remember to allow God to work in His time and not mine. It's often difficult because I am a mere mortal. I, like many of you, often question my own existence and God's plan for me. I am left scratching my head more often than not and wonder why it all shakes out as it does.

This morning I thought of the horrible set of circumstances that Aruba intentionally placed itself in. And then the giggle of IRONY quickly arose. I really started laughing as I haven't in quite some time. It has to be the work of a higher power that ripped the rug out from under Aruba. And it's all about choices. It's like when you make a poor decision and then it all comes crashing down and you close your eyes and and place you hands over you head. You just don't want to look. Sure, you can put on a brave face, but you know you did something that hurts. LOL

Paulus is dead and gone - he's escaped earthly justice but not justice in the after-life. I bet he's got his eyes closed and his hands over his head right about now too. And I love that aspect. I wonder if Paulus would have done things differently had he known he had only five years left if he could have been given a long life even if that would have meant some jail time. It's really neither here nor there, but it's interesting to consider. And in a way, Paulus DID live in his own self-exile inside his own being, and that's a punishment in it's own right. Karma really does exist. No question about it.

Joran is dead inside and gone from Aruba. He, too, will face the ultimate justice someday - and I don't think that day is too far off. He tries to cheat the cards he's dealt, but like everyone who rolls with this strategy, it all catches up at some point. At some point it all comes up snake eyes.

Now the best part - Aruba has NO tourism, and they STILL have the Kalpoes, who have a collapsing lawsuit.  Monkey Devil! This is like having a clogged sewage system and your kid just keeps flushing it up stairs, and now he's tossing in legos, small toys, newspaper, a hairbrush, and any darn thing he can to just gunk up the works. Liquid plumber is not going to fix this mess - you need a specialist with specialized tools. 

Ohhh the irony is delicious to o b s e r v e and sometimes you just sit back and watch it all implode and have a good laugh.


I love it when that happens. I love to see bullies like Paulus and Joran get stuffed and mounted on a wall.

Looks a lot like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQJFv9SMSMQ



Aruba will keep eating dirt and worms for breakfast.... until they do the right thing.

It really is so simple. Doing the right thing costs virtually nothing. One lying 17 year

old can bring an entire nation into bankruptcy. I thought for sure by 5 years deep...

we would read headlines about the Van der sloot's home being burnt to the ground.


I guess people haven't become hungry enough yet. Give it time!

I concur, THEY ARE FINISHED.
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« Reply #1186 on: February 22, 2010, 11:36:14 AM »

Is Paulus is dead and gone, I'm not seeing any real proof of this besides what were intended to see.
They announced the death as a heart attack within hours of it occurring..
Hmmm is he really dead or just hiding out. Anita is acting like nothing happened.
Anita was in the Netherlands (with the body) on Friday.Hmm is their any proof of this.
Why didn't Anita have a autopsy done?
She sure isn't acting like anything is wrong.
Why call a Ambulance for Palus but dump Natalee in the Ocean....


Massive coronary is often very visible.  Patient holds his/her chest then collapses.  It doesn't surprise me that the diagnosis or suspected diagnosis was so quick.

No proof that the body was in the NL but there was proof that Joran, Val, Sebastian and other family members were at the airport.  Also, I would be shocked if they were able to pull something like this and Peter DeVries not suspect something.  Peter seems to believe PVDS is indeed dead.

I agree she isn't acting upset.  Maybe she's happy he's gone?

An ambulance was called by a normal human being at the tennis club.  If it had been left up to a Sloot it wouldn't have happened.
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« Reply #1187 on: February 22, 2010, 12:18:48 PM »

re:   The closing of Carlo & Van Der Sloot company geing cancelled on 8 January 2010 ...

Did anything significant happen w/Dr. Phil's lawsuit on or around that date?

No nothing specific in or around January 8th.  There were some things file around January 13 but no big decisions.  I don't see a connection.

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« Reply #1188 on: February 22, 2010, 12:20:00 PM »

Is Paulus is dead and gone, I'm not seeing any real proof of this besides what were intended to see.
They announced the death as a heart attack within hours of it occurring..
Hmmm is he really dead or just hiding out. Anita is acting like nothing happened.
Anita was in the Netherlands (with the body) on Friday.Hmm is their any proof of this.
Why didn't Anita have a autopsy done?
She sure isn't acting like anything is wrong.
Why call a Ambulance for Palus but dump Natalee in the Ocean....


Massive coronary is often very visible.  Patient holds his/her chest then collapses.  It doesn't surprise me that the diagnosis or suspected diagnosis was so quick.

No proof that the body was in the NL but there was proof that Joran, Val, Sebastian and other family members were at the airport.  Also, I would be shocked if they were able to pull something like this and Peter DeVries not suspect something.  Peter seems to believe PVDS is indeed dead.

I agree she isn't acting upset.  Maybe she's happy he's gone?


An ambulance was called by a normal human being at the tennis club.  If it had been left up to a Sloot it wouldn't have happened.

This reminded me of the learning experience I had working with a couple of women who were born and raised in India as Hindu's.  Reincarnation was explained in great length during one of our lunch breaks, as well as many other things, such as arranged marriages.  We all were fascinated with these beliefs since they were so different from what we were accustomed to.  Anita's reported leaning towards Buddhism also came to mind. 

Who's next, Karma?

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« Reply #1189 on: February 22, 2010, 01:07:11 PM »

Glad you are back 2NJ.  We missed you. an angelic monkey

I read all of the Buddhist beliefs the other night.  I am not so sure that Anita really believes
all of that.  I think saying she is Buddhist is more of an artsy statement.

I have wondered if Paulus' family would allow a Buddhist service.  I think the Sloots are all
Catholic.  I don't think the boys have been raised in any religion.  JMO
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« Reply #1190 on: February 22, 2010, 02:06:54 PM »

Glad you are back 2NJ.  We missed you. an angelic monkey

I read all of the Buddhist beliefs the other night.  I am not so sure that Anita really believes
all of that.  I think saying she is Buddhist is more of an artsy statement.

I have wondered if Paulus' family would allow a Buddhist service.  I think the Sloots are all
Catholic.  I don't think the boys have been raised in any religion.  JMO

I agree with you, Magnolia....it was a thought that I just wanted to throw out there. 

It was cold in FL.  We had one good beach day but kept ourselves busy and had a great time, despite the cool temps.  We knew the forecast beforehand & packed warmer clothing...thank goodness!  That damned blizzard robbed us of 3 add'l days, too. 

    It's good to be back....thanks.     
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« Reply #1191 on: February 22, 2010, 02:48:12 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69057.php

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February 22, 2010, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Aruban Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) is concerned about the impact of the fall of the Dutch government on the constitutional developments of the Netherlands Antilles. "The fall comes at a particularly difficult and crucial time."

The Prime Minister hopes that the dismantling of the Antilles not halt. "The fall of the Dutch government creates a situation of uncertainty." In an interview with Eman Worldwide states that for a caretaker a caretaker government and parliament is difficult to work on a new form of cooperation of the Kingdom. He hopes that one concludes that the agreements made with the Netherlands Antilles, in an implementation phase. They would belong to the current business of the Cabinet and can proceed, despite the fall of the government. Eman think however that this discussion will occur within the Dutch parliament.

The fall of the Dutch government has little impact on Aruba by Eman. "There are agreements with State Secretary Ank Bijleveld and Prime Minister Jan-Peter Balkenende and are now prepared at official level." It makes the Aruban prime minister not much difference which party can muster in the new Dutch government lands. Of course he has a preference for sympathizers of CDA sister party but he says all "moderate parties" have a good relationship. Eman Is it concerned about the possibility that the Party for Freedom (PVV) Geert Wilders to power. "This party has in the past very oversimplified terms on Aruba and the Antilles." If this attitude in implementing the power should be more reasonable, there is no problem according to Eman.
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« Reply #1192 on: February 22, 2010, 02:52:49 PM »

English version of one of Saturday's articles

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69017.php

Parties divided on collapse of Dutch cabinet

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ORANJESTAD — The parties of government-party AVP and the largest opposition party MEP each respond in their own way on the collapse of the Balkenende-cabinet in the Netherlands. The ministers from the PvdA had stepped out of the coalition with the CDA and the ChristenUnie yesterday. The parties could not agree on the continuation of the mission in Uruzgan.

Rene Herdé, party-leader of government-party AVP regrets the collapse of the Dutch cabinet. “Wherever this occurs within the kingdom, it always creates certain instability. For example, the continuity of pending affairs is mutually obstructed.” For example, the implementation of the final agreement is important for the dismantlement of the Netherlands Antilles, according to Herdé. “Aruba has indirect interest in this and there are also certain matters which we wish to adjust in the Statute.” In any case, the party-leader states he hopes that, besides whichever parties assume power, including the PVV, ‘the cooperation regarding renewal of the kingdom’ can be continued. Just as Premier Eman had stated earlier before this newspaper, he states that AVP has good relations with nearly all political parties in the Netherlands, besides sister party CDA. In yesterday’s published interview, Premier Eman indicated that it would be ‘a disaster’ for Aruba and the Antilles if the PVV from Geert Wilders would assume power.

Destabilization
MEP party-leader Booshi Wever speaks of a fresh wind through the kingdom because of the collapse of the Balkenende-cabinet. According to the States-member, the Dutch government had consistently pursued a destabilization policy towards Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles during the past years. “They had arranged for an increasing extent of social and economical loss on the islands in order to eventually have more grips on them. Fortunately, we had succeeded in putting a stop to this during our term of office.” According to Wever, the CDA has assisted in bringing both the PAR on the Antilles and the AVP on Aruba to power. “We now have proof that this had also occurred with financial means.” Wever states that he wants to visit the Netherlands now and talk with the left-wing parties there. “We want to emphasize that we want to remain part of the kingdom, but on a voluntary basis.” With regard to the possible victory of the PVV during the upcoming elections, he is abrupt and clear: “We will also make it clear to him that we demand respect.”
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1193 on: February 22, 2010, 02:54:50 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_68985.php

AVP and MEP equally defenseless against Ritz-Carlton?’

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ORANJESTAD — According to Rudy Lampe, party-leader of RED, the Aruban government could have offered Ritz-Carlton other alternatives instead of constructing a five-start hotel at Fisherman’s Hut.

“For example, the government could have suggested property exchange”, says Lampe. One could have offered the Bushiri-terrain, as the agreement with project developer Trusam and the Spanish Sol Melia had foundered. “The government could even have let it come to a court case with the argument that the terrain at Fisherman’s Hut is invaluable.”

According to Lampe, the government party AVP had laid down such weak conditions towards Hotelco and Marriott ‘that there is no other possible conclusion than that they themselves support the Ritz-Carlton project’. With this, the government party is, amongst others, letting down the windsurfers and conservationist environmentalists who have protesting against the project since a long time. “AVP appears to be just as defenseless as the MEP against pressure from certain investors” according to Lampe.

However, Premier Mike Eman (AVP) stated this week that one could not wriggle out of the agreement concluded by the former MEP-government for the Ritz-Carlton without considerable financial damage. From his legal advisors, Eman understood that if Aruba had rejected the project, it would have cost the treasury between 100 and 200 million dollars. According to the Premier, the ‘pain’ is slightly eased as it regards a luxurious five-star hotel. Nevertheless, he and his party would have preferred not to use the terrain for hotels. However, the Premier had previously reported to this newspaper he was not entirely unfavorably opposed against the construction of the hotel, as the building activities could provide an economic boost during this time of crisis.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1194 on: February 22, 2010, 02:57:42 PM »

English version of the article Klaas posted on Friday

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_68984.php

Paul van der Sloot cremated

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ORANJESTAD — The morning newspaper Awemainta announced today that the last week deceased lawyer Paul van der Sloot was cremated privately yesterday.

He had become known throughout the world as the father of Joran van der Sloot, main suspect in the disappearing case of the American Natalee Holloway. Details on the funeral ceremony had not been announced in order to keep it out of the national and international news. The mortal remains had already been flown to the Netherlands earlier. Despite the fact that Holloway’s disappearance had taken place nearly five years ago, the case can still count on eager attention from the world press. Especially in the United States, but also in the Netherlands, the death of Van der Sloot senior had attracted the necessary attention and his role in the disappearance case. Moreover, the gossip magazine Privé directed its attention towards Anita, Joran’s mother. The magazine’s headline red: ‘Can Joran’s mother continue to keep silent?’
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1195 on: February 22, 2010, 03:02:02 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69056.php

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ARUBA

Difficult handling federal laws in States

February 22, 2010, 13:38 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Central Committee of the States were in the past week include treatment of four federal laws. One of the police corps, the Public Ministry and the Council for Law Enforcement. These federal laws were drafted with a view to the future dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles.

According to Commissioner Chris Dammers (ASF) is important to the current cooperation mechanism, which disappears after the decommissioning, to begin a new cooperation scheme. "We have seen how some mutual agreements on organized crime and include passage are maintained as partners in the kingdom," says Dammers. According Booshi Weaver, leader of the MEP group, wants the government in the Netherlands collaboration involve regime while not at issue should be. This would be the autonomy of Aruba in question.

The States of Aruba to a report in which all parties and ask their opinion about the federal laws explain. Contrary to the Act on justice, all parties agree that no other Federal laws related to Aruba. Still went for treatment on a debate between State President Andy Lee (AVP) and MEP leader Booshi Wever. The MEP group wanted, after all the standing committee of the groups had received opinions, even additions places in the report regarding the expulsion of the case against ex-minister AVP Tico Croes. These were State President Lee, supported by the AVP group was removed and eventually decided not to send report regarding the federal laws. The fact that the MEP Group products, saying because the Internet connection within the building of the States would be slow, her remarks with regard to federal laws rather late handed irritation caused by the State President. "We all have at least the responsibility to our stuff on time to deliver," he told during this meeting. According AVP-leader René Herde, the commissioners of the federal laws that MEP would not treat present at the meetings where the federal laws were discussed. The MEP Group intends to send a letter to the House in the Netherlands subject to express her displeasure. Booshi Weaver: "Now Aruba is not doing her say regarding these federal laws and that can not be right."
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1196 on: February 22, 2010, 03:10:57 PM »

Of course -- this pertains to the US, but if Aruba has similar rules (funny -- Aruba and rules in the same sentence) -- this is what Antonio Carlos was able to avoid since the company was dissolve prior to Paulus's untimely passing.


http://www.newyorklife.com/nyl/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=574fdcec569d2210a2b3019d221024301cacRCRD

What If Your Business Partner Died Tonight?

There's nothing quite like the business relationship between partners (or, for that matter, co-owners of a closely-held company). In fact, you probably spend more time with your partner than you do with your spouse. Ideally your business partner is one of your business' greatest assets. But that person is also your greatest potential liability. Ask yourself a few key questions: What if my partner died suddenly — perhaps tonight? What would happen to the business? What would happen to my family and my partner's family? These may not be the most pleasant questions, but they're ones you cannot afford to ignore.

Why? Because the danger is real. The odds that one of you will die prior to retirement are a lot higher than you might think.

Now imagine what can happen to the business when a co-owner dies. The results can be disastrous — and usually are. Conflicting concerns between the surviving owners and the deceased's family are fairly common, as everyone becomes concerned about the future. Depending on the deceased partner's role in the business, ongoing business problems might occur on top of that. As suppliers take a nervous wait-and-see position, creditors become antsy for payment and refuse to extend additional credit. Customers may back away. Valued employees may leave. In short, problems compound, feed on themselves.

Four Choices
What are your options? If your business partner died tonight, you and the other survivors would have four choices:

   1. You could liquidate the business and distribute the remaining assets. Of course, in the process, you would do away with your own source of income, as well as with a business enterprise in which you've invested a great deal of time and money. Plus, the business assets might only sell for a fraction of what they are worth.
   2. You could take in your late partner's heirs as your new associates. However, keep in mind that a successful partnership is a delicately balanced relationship. Except in rare situations, bringing on board a deceased partner's spouse or other heir can be difficult.
   3. You could sell out to the heirs. This also rarely works. Starting with an almost inevitable tug-of-war over the purchase price, the situation usually goes downhill from there.
   4. You (and other partners) could buy out the surviving heirs' share of the business. This, in most cases, is the most practical course of action. Once again, however, there are the problems of establishing price and terms, as well as coming up with the money.

The Buy-Sell Concept is Simple
A properly arranged and funded agreement is a legally binding contract that spells out exactly what is to happen if one of the business's owners dies. The document itself can be as simple or complex as needed and can provide for virtually any contingency. However, it generally calls for the survivors to buy — and their heirs to sell — the deceased owner's share in the business. Just as important, it should spell out the actual purchase price or, more commonly, provides an objective formula for determining the price when needed.

Retirement
You don't have to retire! That's one of the nice perks of being self-employed or a business owner. You're a doer. You like to make decisions and see results. But maybe someday — perhaps when you're 65, 75 or older — you just might want the option to trade the fun and frustration of work for golf, gardening, vacationing with the grandkids or sitting back and relaxing with family and friends. Just as important, you also want to have all your ducks in a row, so to speak, when it comes to making sure your loved ones are well provided for in the future.

Neither of these goals just happens. It is the result of planning, of decisions you make today. Because, as the old saying goes: Those who fail to plan... fail. That means retirement planning and estate planning... mapping out a strategy to create options for you and for your family.

Thanks Sharon!  Very interesting! 

The timing of the registry entry regarding the ending of the Carlo Vandersloot partnership, and the death of Paulus Vandersloot do seem very convenient imo.

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1197 on: February 22, 2010, 03:13:55 PM »

Glad you are back 2NJ.  We missed you. an angelic monkey

I read all of the Buddhist beliefs the other night.  I am not so sure that Anita really believes
all of that.  I think saying she is Buddhist is more of an artsy statement.

I have wondered if Paulus' family would allow a Buddhist service.  I think the Sloots are all
Catholic.  I don't think the boys have been raised in any religion.  JMO

I agree with you, Magnolia....it was a thought that I just wanted to throw out there. 

It was cold in FL.  We had one good beach day but kept ourselves busy and had a great time, despite the cool temps.  We knew the forecast beforehand & packed warmer clothing...thank goodness!  That damned blizzard robbed us of 3 add'l days, too. 

    It's good to be back....thanks.     

I'm glad you had a great time, wish the weather had been better for you! 

It's good to have you back!   
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« Reply #1198 on: February 22, 2010, 05:59:03 PM »

I don't know who longtom is but this was posted Feb 13th:



-longtorn...why did the partnership dissolve, or was terminate


Posted by: hubbahuba | Friday, February 12, 2010 at 11:54 PM



all i hear is rumor, it boiled down to "who wants to hire the sire of the liar?" to be their lawyer.

so, the Sweater could not attract or pull-in enough business or pull his own weight in whatever job arrangement he had.

secondly, the Sweater had some habits that hindered his professional life, (1) he was exceedingly lazy, (2) liked to gamble,

which is a loser's game, and (3) the Sweater and wife became to poster people for the dysfunctional family. Weaker rumors

circulated about his inability to account for some joint funds held for his business.

(As an aside, i see most lawyers as trying to "keep busy" since time and talent is their stock and trade. Aruba, as a corrupt


transit point for drug smugglers and money laundering via cash intensive casino operations can easily swallow-up less

motivated professionals who were unsuccessful back in the Motherland, as well as acid-tongued ex-pats who were

failures in their own countries and blame everyone except themselves as they drift away in Margarita Land)


Posted by: longtom | Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 03:08 AM

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