Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[carpe noctem]

He shriveled up and died out. That is what happens when you poison a weed at the root.

It just chokes out and keels over!

[texasmom]

Longtom for president 

 

[texasmom]

I don't know who longtom is but this was posted Feb 13th:



-longtorn...why did the partnership dissolve, or was terminate


Posted by: hubbahuba | Friday, February 12, 2010 at 11:54 PM



all i hear is rumor, it boiled down to "who wants to hire the sire of the liar?" to be their lawyer.

so, the Sweater could not attract or pull-in enough business or pull his own weight in whatever job arrangement he had.

secondly, the Sweater had some habits that hindered his professional life, (1) he was exceedingly lazy, (2) liked to gamble,

which is a loser's game, and (3) the Sweater and wife became to poster people for the dysfunctional family. Weaker rumors

circulated about his inability to account for some joint funds held for his business.

(As an aside, i see most lawyers as trying to "keep busy" since time and talent is their stock and trade. Aruba, as a corrupt

transit point for drug smugglers and money laundering via cash intensive casino operations can easily swallow-up less

motivated professionals who were unsuccessful back in the Motherland, as well as acid-tongued ex-pats who were

failures in their own countries and blame everyone except themselves as they drift away in Margarita Land)

Posted by: longtom | Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 03:08 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2010/01/157/comments/page/2/#comments

 

Thanks Buckeye!   

[carpe noctem]

[Magnolia]

There sure have been a lot of coinkydinks right in a row. 

I loved in Nut's link that they said that Anita was taking up a collection to fly Pulus
back to Holland.

[Tamikosmom]

Of course -- this pertains to the US, but if Aruba has similar rules (funny -- Aruba and rules in the same sentence) -- this is what Antonio Carlos was able to avoid since the company was dissolve prior to Paulus's untimely passing.


http://www.newyorklife.com/nyl/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=574fdcec569d2210a2b3019d221024301cacRCRD

What If Your Business Partner Died Tonight?

There's nothing quite like the business relationship between partners (or, for that matter, co-owners of a closely-held company). In fact, you probably spend more time with your partner than you do with your spouse. Ideally your business partner is one of your business' greatest assets. But that person is also your greatest potential liability. Ask yourself a few key questions: What if my partner died suddenly — perhaps tonight? What would happen to the business? What would happen to my family and my partner's family? These may not be the most pleasant questions, but they're ones you cannot afford to ignore.

Why? Because the danger is real. The odds that one of you will die prior to retirement are a lot higher than you might think.

Now imagine what can happen to the business when a co-owner dies. The results can be disastrous — and usually are. Conflicting concerns between the surviving owners and the deceased's family are fairly common, as everyone becomes concerned about the future. Depending on the deceased partner's role in the business, ongoing business problems might occur on top of that. As suppliers take a nervous wait-and-see position, creditors become antsy for payment and refuse to extend additional credit. Customers may back away. Valued employees may leave. In short, problems compound, feed on themselves.

Four Choices
What are your options? If your business partner died tonight, you and the other survivors would have four choices:

   1. You could liquidate the business and distribute the remaining assets. Of course, in the process, you would do away with your own source of income, as well as with a business enterprise in which you've invested a great deal of time and money. Plus, the business assets might only sell for a fraction of what they are worth.
   2. You could take in your late partner's heirs as your new associates. However, keep in mind that a successful partnership is a delicately balanced relationship. Except in rare situations, bringing on board a deceased partner's spouse or other heir can be difficult.
   3. You could sell out to the heirs. This also rarely works. Starting with an almost inevitable tug-of-war over the purchase price, the situation usually goes downhill from there.
   4. You (and other partners) could buy out the surviving heirs' share of the business. This, in most cases, is the most practical course of action. Once again, however, there are the problems of establishing price and terms, as well as coming up with the money.

The Buy-Sell Concept is Simple
A properly arranged and funded agreement is a legally binding contract that spells out exactly what is to happen if one of the business's owners dies. The document itself can be as simple or complex as needed and can provide for virtually any contingency. However, it generally calls for the survivors to buy — and their heirs to sell — the deceased owner's share in the business. Just as important, it should spell out the actual purchase price or, more commonly, provides an objective formula for determining the price when needed.

Retirement
You don't have to retire! That's one of the nice perks of being self-employed or a business owner. You're a doer. You like to make decisions and see results. But maybe someday — perhaps when you're 65, 75 or older — you just might want the option to trade the fun and frustration of work for golf, gardening, vacationing with the grandkids or sitting back and relaxing with family and friends. Just as important, you also want to have all your ducks in a row, so to speak, when it comes to making sure your loved ones are well provided for in the future.

Neither of these goals just happens. It is the result of planning, of decisions you make today. Because, as the old saying goes: Those who fail to plan... fail. That means retirement planning and estate planning... mapping out a strategy to create options for you and for your family.

Hi Sharon

 

The coincidental timing of the partnership disolving along with the death of Paulus does raise my hinky meter.  It appears that affairs were in the process of being put in order.

There are so many unanswered questions encompassing the passing of Paulus that this  detective wannabe at times leans towards a possible conspiracy but ... when all is taken into consideration ... I just do not know what to think.

Janet

 

[carpe noctem]

 


Anita should have tried this place first!


Their deals are pretty firm.

http://shipaturd.com/

 

[sharon]

I don't know who longtom is but this was posted Feb 13th:



-longtorn...why did the partnership dissolve, or was terminate


Posted by: hubbahuba | Friday, February 12, 2010 at 11:54 PM



all i hear is rumor, it boiled down to "who wants to hire the sire of the liar?" to be their lawyer.

so, the Sweater could not attract or pull-in enough business or pull his own weight in whatever job arrangement he had.

secondly, the Sweater had some habits that hindered his professional life, (1) he was exceedingly lazy, (2) liked to gamble,

which is a loser's game, and (3) the Sweater and wife became to poster people for the dysfunctional family. Weaker rumors

circulated about his inability to account for some joint funds held for his business.

(As an aside, i see most lawyers as trying to "keep busy" since time and talent is their stock and trade. Aruba, as a corrupt

transit point for drug smugglers and money laundering via cash intensive casino operations can easily swallow-up less

motivated professionals who were unsuccessful back in the Motherland, as well as acid-tongued ex-pats who were

failures in their own countries and blame everyone except themselves as they drift away in Margarita Land)

Posted by: longtom | Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 03:08 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2010/01/157/comments/page/2/#comments

 

Thanks Buckeye!   

 

applause to longtom 


But wasn't he already the sire of the liar when Carlo hired him?

This is a relatively new partnership -- after Natalee disappeared.

After Carlo was hired to be Joran's attorney. And was fired once, iirc, by the court? -- for visiting one of the security guards in jail? But was suddenly allowed back on the case.

It's not like Carlo did not know Paulus VanderSloot when he made him his partner.

And didn't someone recently post that Carlo is now a sports photographer. Every attorneys' career path.

I swear -- you cannot make this stuff up.

 

[texasmom]

Anita should have tried this place first!


Their deals are pretty firm.

http://shipaturd.com/

 

 

[Magnolia]

Anita should have tried this place first!


Their deals are pretty firm.

http://shipaturd.com/

 

 

[sharon]

Hi Sharon

 

The coincidental timing of the partnership disolving along with the death of Paulus does raise my hinky meter.  It appears that affairs were in the process of being put in order.

There are so many unanswered questions encompassing the passing of Paulus that this  detective wannabe at times leans towards a possible conspiracy but ... when all is taken into consideration ... I just do not know what to think.

Janet

 

Hi Janet 

ITA -- I don't know what to think.

But I do remember in the early days of the forum, Frank would remind us 'there are NO coincidences in a murder investigation'.

Yet, Aruba never seems to run out of coincidences and 'convenient' events.

Beginning with "we'll let them go for 10 days so we can watch them"

 

[Tamikosmom]

ANTONIO CARLOS

NANCY GRACE - August 11, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh, absolutely. It is correct, Nancy. And you know, we really weren`t surprised that they awarded Paulus this money. We go back and we remember that Paulus Van Der Sloot and Antonio Carlo have been connected since the very beginning and really just kind of running the show. I mean, the defense attorneys seemed to be running the show in Aruba last summer. So it doesn`t surprise us at all that he would prevail again here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

ANTONIO CARLO
 
Live and Direct - Jane Velez-Mitchell - December 30, 2005

ANTONIO CARLO, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT`S ATTORNEY: OK, the information that I can provide at this time is that my client, under the Aruban law, cannot be obligated to come before the (INAUDIBLE) prosecutor to answer questions because he has now -- he has been released without any conditions. So under Aruban -- under Aruban law, he cannot be obligated to be brought forth to answer questions.

[Tamikosmom]

 

applause to longtom 


But wasn't he already the sire of the liar when Carlo hired him?

This is a relatively new partnership -- after Natalee disappeared.

After Carlo was hired to be Joran's attorney. And was fired once, iirc, by the court? -- for visiting one of the security guards in jail? But was suddenly allowed back on the case.

It's not like Carlo did not know Paulus VanderSloot when he made him his partner.

And didn't someone recently post that Carlo is now a sports photographer. Every attorneys' career path.

I swear -- you cannot make this stuff up.

 

EXACTLY!!!


ANTONIO CARLO

Holloways sue Dutch teen over disappearance
17 February 2006

Joran is represented by lawyer Antonio Carlo, who is also Paulus van der Sloot's boss on Aruba.

Carlo indicated he was not happy about Joran's trip to America for the ABC interview. "I'm on Aruba, you can draw your own conclusions," he said.

Paulus van der Sloot joined Carlo's legal firm as a lawyer in January this year.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/holloways-sue-dutch-teen-over-disappearance-27729.html

[Magnolia]

Antoinio Carlo is the man who told Karin Janssen that Joran was guilty but it was up to her to prove it.
That was uncoverd by Peter DeVries in his first broadcast about Natalee's case

That was before Paulus became a partner in the Carlo/Van der Sloot Law Firm.

Usually one has to buy into a firm to be a partner and have their name on the door.

I wonder if Paulus "bought in" and then gambled away the money he used to buy in without
Antoinio Carlo's knowledge?

[Frank]

The reason Antonio Carlo told Janssen that Joran was probably guilty is because it was another distraction. One of many reasons they try to claim this is a mystery is because they have focused on Joran more than Paulus and his house.

Maybe it's me but as time goes by it becomes even more clear and there are no coincidences. Anita out of town, the casino, "your own father, unbelievable", the only one charged with premeditated murder and on and on.

Joran is a product of Paulus but his behavior was not out of the ordinary that night, Paulus on the other hand.

Who had the most to lose? Even a date rape gone bad with an underage perp would not have damaged Aruba permanently. But a Dutch judge doing this, has implications that would warrant what we've seen from Aruba.

[klaasend]

Valid points Frank

[klaasend]

Texasmom - help with this?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2730&offId=0

MUCHA A CAY RIBA STAKA CU A PERFORE NA E PARTI ATRAS DI SU CURPA, CUERPO DI BOMBERO A BAY CORTA E HERO PA ASINA POR A TRANSPORTA E MUCHA CU URGENCIA PA HOSPITAL

MUCHA A CAY RIBA STAKA CU A PERFORE NA E PARTI ATRAS DI SU CURPA, CUERPO DI BOMBERO A BAY CORTA E HERO PA ASINA POR A TRANSPORTA E MUCHA CU URGENCIA PA HOSPITAL
E PAGINA AKI TA CONTENE MATERIAL GRAFICO OF FUERTE ADEMAS E NO TA APTO PA MENOR DI EDAD OF ESNAN SENSIBEL
Dialuna atardi a drenta informe di un caso di unda un mucha a cay riba un staka y esaki a perfore na su parti atras, mesora a dirigi tanto polis como ambulans na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya mesora a bin constata cu e mucha a cay riba un pida hero y cu lo mester di e cuerpo di rescate di bombero pa corta e hero y libera e mucha. Na yegada di bombero mesora a libera e mucha y a transporte cu e pida hero pega na su curpa pa hospital.


Look at the 2nd to the last photo in the frame 

[klaasend]

Looks like re-bar.....ouch 

[texasmom]

I don't know who longtom is but this was posted Feb 13th:



-longtorn...why did the partnership dissolve, or was terminate


Posted by: hubbahuba | Friday, February 12, 2010 at 11:54 PM



all i hear is rumor, it boiled down to "who wants to hire the sire of the liar?" to be their lawyer.

so, the Sweater could not attract or pull-in enough business or pull his own weight in whatever job arrangement he had.

secondly, the Sweater had some habits that hindered his professional life, (1) he was exceedingly lazy, (2) liked to gamble,

which is a loser's game, and (3) the Sweater and wife became to poster people for the dysfunctional family. Weaker rumors

circulated about his inability to account for some joint funds held for his business.

(As an aside, i see most lawyers as trying to "keep busy" since time and talent is their stock and trade. Aruba, as a corrupt

transit point for drug smugglers and money laundering via cash intensive casino operations can easily swallow-up less

motivated professionals who were unsuccessful back in the Motherland, as well as acid-tongued ex-pats who were

failures in their own countries and blame everyone except themselves as they drift away in Margarita Land)

Posted by: longtom | Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 03:08 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2010/01/157/comments/page/2/#comments

 

Thanks Buckeye!   

 

applause to longtom 


But wasn't he already the sire of the liar when Carlo hired him?

This is a relatively new partnership -- after Natalee disappeared.

After Carlo was hired to be Joran's attorney. And was fired once, iirc, by the court? -- for visiting one of the security guards in jail? But was suddenly allowed back on the case.

It's not like Carlo did not know Paulus VanderSloot when he made him his partner.

And didn't someone recently post that Carlo is now a sports photographer. Every attorneys' career path.

I swear -- you cannot make this stuff up.

 

Close · Aruba, February 22nd, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 22 JUNE 1998 under serial number 23397.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
ADVOCATENPRAKTIJK MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
 
Business address   CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   ADVOCATENPRAKTIJK MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   18 JUNE 1998
Last amendment in the articles   4 JUNE 1999
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

CARLO, ANTONIO AMADEO DIOMEDES AMANO;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 26 JULY 1957
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   18 JUNE 1998
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

A. TO EXERCISE THE LAW PRACTICE IN THE WIDEST SENSE OF THE WORD BY THERETO
QUALIFIED PERSONS UNDER THEIR PERSONAL PROFESSIONAL LIABILITY AND
FURTHER IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS APPLICABLE TO LAWYERS, IN
PARTICULAR THE STIPULATIONS REGULATING THE LAW ORDINANCE 1959 OF THAT
LEGAL REGULATION(S) WHICH WILL POSSIBLE REPLACE OR COMPLETE THESE
ORDINANCES LATER.
B. THE FULL OR PARTIAL ACCUMULATION OF PENSION PROVISIONS IN BEHALF OF
SHAREHOLDER-NOTARIES, PAST SHAREHOLDER-NOTARIES AND THEIR SURVIVING
RELATIONS.
C. THE ACQUIRING, POSSESSING, ALIENATING, BUILD AND HAVE BUILD, MANAGE AND
DEVELOP, RENT AND LEASE, SELL, LEASE, REMORTGAGE AND/OR IN GENERAL
ENCUMBER IMMOVABLE GOODS AND OR REGISTERGOODS AND/OR ANY RIGHT OR
INTEREST IN IMMOVABLE GOODS AND/OR REGISTERGOODS.
D. TO GIVE SECURITY ON TO HER AFFILIATED ENTERPRISES , INCLUDING TO ACCEPT BY
DIVISION RESPONSIBILITY FOR ON TO HER AFFILIATED ENTERPRISES.
 

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· Close · Aruba, February 22nd, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 25 NOVEMBER 2004 under serial number 32720.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
 
Business address   CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   24 NOVEMBER 2004
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

CARLO, ANTONIO AMADEO DIOMEDES AMANO;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 26 JULY 1957
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   24 NOVEMBER 2004
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

Google translation:

1. THE EXERCISE OF THE LAW FIRM BY ONE OR MORE PERSONS AUTHORIZED SO IN THEIR PERSONAL AND ROLL CALL professional AND FURTHER IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF LAWYERS IN PARTICULAR THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAWYERS OR DIE Ordinance 1959 LEGISLATION (S) THAT WHICH MAY ordinance LATER WILL (WILL) REPLACE OR SUPPLEMENT;
2. THE WHOLE OR PARTIAL BUILDING PENSIEONVOOORZIENINGEN ADVOCATES FOR SHAREHOLDERS, SHAREHOLDER FORMER LAWYERS, LAWYERS FORMER SHAREHOLDERS AND / OR THEIR SURVIVORS;
3. THE INVESTMENT OF FUNDS IN ITS SECURITIES AS PART OF SHARES AND OTHER SECURITIES entitlement AND BONDS AND OTHER INTEREST-BEARING IN CLAIMS UNDER ANY NAME AND IN ANY FORM WHATSOEVER;
4. THE PROVISION OF SECURITY FOR ITS AFFILIATES, INCLUDING THE CLAIM IS JOINTLY LIABLE FOR ITS AFFILIATES.

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http://bonairereporter.com/news/006PDFs/01-20-06.pdf

Paulus joined Carlo's law firm this week...



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(I'm not sure whose post I took a screen shot of, I'm sorry I can't give credit for it.)



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· Close · Aruba, February 22nd, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JANUARY 2007 under serial number 35741.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
 
Business address   CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form   PARTNERSHIP
Name of the company   CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
Date of commencement   1 JANUARY 2007
    
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 8 JANUARY 2010
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
Position   MANAGING PARTNER
Since      18 JANUARY 2007
Authority   FULL
 
VAN DER SLOOT, PAUL ANTONIUS PETRUS JOHANNA;
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, BOXTEL on 15 FEBRUARY 1952
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING PARTNER
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

Google translation:

THE EXERCISE OF A LAW FIRM.

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Maybe....

Before May 30, 2005
Carlo has a well established law practice before becoming involved in the Natalee Holloway case.

Between May 30, 2005 and January 2006
When it's decided that Paulus won't ever become a judge and goes begging for a job to Rudy Croes (iirc), someone twists Carlo's arm a bit to allow Paulus into the firm.

January 2007
When the Supreme Court states there's enough evidence to indicate that Paulus could have been involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway; Carlo and Vandersloot is formed to protect the original law practice from any ramifications of a future prosecution of Paulus?

JMO


January 8, 2010

Carlo & Vandersloot law firm is cancelled.

February 10, 2010

Paulus Vandersloot dies.

?????????????????????????