Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[SuzieQ]

Arubagirl said on her twitter account that she heard Joran was coming back to Aruba.

[Magnolia]

It's a myth to think Paulus was somehow connected to powerful people or had secrets. He wouldn't have the courage to blackmail anyone.

That's the problem. Someone of no stature, so puny, became a potential huge embarrassment for a bigger picture. A Dutch loser would define an island, and for me, a whole culture of Dutch scum.

A small man was a big problem, so they blamed Joran and tried to paint a moral equivalence with every other "boy."

I concur. It was always about the judge who raped and killed a little girl that was bad for tourism, not a kid that picked her up in a bar. Minnesota Dad, Carpe, You, myself and many others have said this forever.

and people wonder why Anita doesn't miss him... 

Have you all ever considered the "other 20 times"...

how did the girls get home? ask yourself that and go from there.

Surely no man would let his own son take the fall for his actions while he is clearing himself of all charges.

I can't believe that even Anita could live with him under those circumstance.

I could Mags, and in the secret polis van recordings Joran says - you declared against my father. Why would he say that and why would Deepak declare against Paulus?? This is after Paulus warned all three not to talk and to watch their words as they would all be recorded and they still had this exchange - it was that important to air those grievances. Emotions over-rode any desire to remain quiet. Blood must have been boiling. And they Joran said - I should have killed you when I had the chance...He protected PAULUS.

As for Anita - she's a deviant. Plain and simple She thinks she's something she is clearly not.

Deepak said that he did not declare against Paulus.  My feeling has always been that the polis told Joran
that Deepak had declared against Paulus to get Joran to talk.

I do not think Paulus is innocent by any means.  I believe that he was involved in the assault at the
VDS home where Natalee died, but I think it was Joran that killed her.

[Rob]

I'll leave you with this - and then it's good nitey nite.

There have been many father  / son crime teams throughout history.

In many of the cases we have followed here on the monkey board - a family member has been the main associate in the aftermath and disposal of the body. When you need someone to remove a body and not talk - well, that's a family member in many cases.

What's different in this case is that a father / son team tracked and targeted tourists in tandem and almost got away with it. This is off the charts and you normally do not associate a judge with this type of behavior.

However, pedophiles and monsters wear many robs and cloaks - and use whomever they can to hide their crimes.

Goodnite all.

[Magnolia]

As for Anita...I don't think that many mothers would stand up for a man that let their first born child

hang for a crime that he had committed.  It is just not natural.  But of course we are talking about the

Sloots and the island of Aruba.  That changes all of the dynamics.

[texasmom]

Good night Rob!   

[Magnolia]

Good night, Rob.

I always enjoy your input.  Makes me think.

[Tamikosmom]

For the longest time ... my position was that Paulus entered the scenario after the demise of Natalee Holloway and ... the cover up began.  As far as I was concerned ... I could not comprehend that a father would  involved his own son in something so unspeakable.  Then the casino recording was revealed.

The Natalee Holloway case has introduced me to a new level of depravity.

Janet

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Friday, August 7, 2009
Charges filed against alleged father-son rape team

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/409097_rape07.html

[Anna]

Good Evening, Monkeys,

I always try to read all the way back to where I left off before I post, so I have missed Rob by doing this.

However, one piece of the Paulus puzzle is still missing.  If we had that piece, maybe some of the others would fall into place.

Remember Paulus already knew he would not become a judge when Natalee arrived in Aruba.  Somewhere in the archives I believe you will find that he was informed of this fact earlier in the year, maybe mid-Frbruary.

He had devoted 2-3 years more training to qualify for this and even spent a year or so in the Netherlands for additional training is my understanding.

After all that, what in the world disqualified him?  It has been blamed on Natalee's disappearance by Sloot supporters but that was not the case.

If we knew what it was that disqualified Paulus from being a judge, would we know more about things he was involved in?  I have always just thought it would help to have that bit of information.

[texasmom]

Good Evening, Monkeys,

I always try to read all the way back to where I left off before I post, so I have missed Rob by doing this.

However, one piece of the Paulus puzzle is still missing.  If we had that piece, maybe some of the others would fall into place.

Remember Paulus already knew he would not become a judge when Natalee arrived in Aruba.  Somewhere in the archives I believe you will find that he was informed of this fact earlier in the year, maybe mid-Frbruary.

He had devoted 2-3 years more training to qualify for this and even spent a year or so in the Netherlands for additional training is my understanding.

After all that, what in the world disqualified him?  It has been blamed on Natalee's disappearance by Sloot supporters but that was not the case.

If we knew what it was that disqualified Paulus from being a judge, would we know more about things he was involved in?  I have always just thought it would help to have that bit of information.

Anna, I don't know if I could find it now or not but I recall reading that Paulus did not receive the required recommendations of his peers (other judges) for him to become a judge. 

I don't know if that was considered the "test"; his proving himself fit for the final appointment of a judge and therefore earning the recommendations, while under their supervision as a judge in training.  But it was also stated many times that he didn't pass the test.

JMO but I've always thought that perhaps those judges didn't recommend him because they knew of deviant behaviors he was involved in that went over and above what they considered acceptable.

[texasmom]

iirc at one point while he was on the run Leuteria was believed to be hiding in Aruba.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69042.php

CURAÇAO

Fugitive, serious criminals arrested

February 22, 2010, 13:15 (GMT -04:00)



Jair Leuteria knew almost one years from the hands of the police to continue.

PHILIPSBURG - Nearly one years after his escape from the Bon Futuro prison yesterday the 25-year-old Jair Jehogenny Leuteria reserved. The first time he escaped from prison five months he was a fugitive.

It was the fugitive for years Chavel 'Diablo' Water Fort (34) arrested in the same car as Leuteria Sat. The two were spotted in a white Kia Rio that rode on January Noorduynweg / Juan Hatoweg. Fort water is suspected of committing two murders. On October 5, 2002 at the then seventeen Edson Sambo in Souax and October 7 at Leander de Jongh, whose body on the plain of San Pedro was found. He would then smuggle drugs he would have concealed.

Leuteria is suspected during the period he was a fugitive, guilty to have committed several armed robberies. During his arrest he had a gun in his possession. Fort addition of water is also suspected of double murder threats, armed robbery, vandalism, kidnapping and illegal weapons possession. In the car were Leuteria and Water Fort, included the 27-year-old MSR He is suspected of threats, armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and deliberately hiding a fugitive prisoner.

After the arrest of the trio did the two police raids in Souax. Among these, two gold bracelets and a watch seized, black nylon stockings with two holes in it, which were probably used as a mask, and a pigtail. In one of the cars at the house were found three bullets and a black Kia Spectra with damaged right seized. In connection with the discovery of the bullets was the sister of MR, the 28-year NRR, arrested.

The investigation and arrests were made by members of the Atrako Team, the Investigation and Arrest Team. Leuteria knew with three others on March 17 last year to escape from prison. The other three were in the course of the next month again arrested.

[robots]

at the poker game which paulus was sitting at the table, would not surprise me that paulus and joran pretended to not even know each other.. ( hard to believe because they are both ugly and probably stink like pigs  no offense to pigs because i happen to like the four legged ones..especially when they are little pink buggers. )  but before i go off on a tangent about pigs.. instantly ANITA pops into my head           grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  im skerrrrrring myself   


paulus  killed himself    moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[billb's daughter]

at the poker game which paulus was sitting at the table, would not surprise me that paulus and joran pretended to not even know each other.. ( hard to believe because they are both ugly and probably stink like pigs  no offense to pigs because i happen to like the four legged ones..especially when they are little pink buggers. )  but before i go off on a tangent about pigs.. instantly ANITA pops into my head           grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  im skerrrrrring myself   


paulus  killed himself    moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Robots....sounds like you have a real problem.....please reach out to the hotline recently set up for "people with issues concerning pigs.....
Anita is snorting by for your call....1-900-pigs4anita.....

[robots]

hehehehe,,, thanks bill   that was a good one

i love pigs. my grandmother told me stories of when she was a little girl she had a pig and she used to give him a bath frequently because he liked being clean....   



if you look up SLOOT in the urban dictionary it says  "EVIL and ROTTEN TO THE CORE"  and if you look up joran it says   "see SLOOT"


yep, i think paulus offed himself...  moooooooooooo

at the poker game which paulus was sitting at the table, would not surprise me that paulus and joran pretended to not even know each other.. ( hard to believe because they are both ugly and probably stink like pigs  no offense to pigs because i happen to like the four legged ones..especially when they are little pink buggers. )  but before i go off on a tangent about pigs.. instantly ANITA pops into my head           grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  im skerrrrrring myself   


paulus  killed himself    moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Robots....sounds like you have a real problem.....please reach out to the hotline recently set up for "people with issues concerning pigs.....
Anita is snorting by for your call....1-900-pigs4anita.....

[Magnolia]

at the poker game which paulus was sitting at the table, would not surprise me that paulus and joran pretended to not even know each other.. ( hard to believe because they are both ugly and probably stink like pigs  no offense to pigs because i happen to like the four legged ones..especially when they are little pink buggers. )  but before i go off on a tangent about pigs.. instantly ANITA pops into my head           grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  im skerrrrrring myself   


paulus  killed himself    moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I have dreamed, on two different occasions, that Paulus committed suicide.

[klaasend]

 

[robots]

when i was first informed of his death, I immediately thought that is what happened, booze and drugs
taken together ...... on purpose

at the poker game which paulus was sitting at the table, would not surprise me that paulus and joran pretended to not even know each other.. ( hard to believe because they are both ugly and probably stink like pigs  no offense to pigs because i happen to like the four legged ones..especially when they are little pink buggers. )  but before i go off on a tangent about pigs.. instantly ANITA pops into my head           grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  im skerrrrrring myself   


paulus  killed himself    moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I have dreamed, on two different occasions, that Paulus committed suicide.

[billb's daughter]

hehehehe,,, thanks bill   that was a good one

i love pigs. my grandmother told me stories of when she was a little girl she had a pig and she used to give him a bath frequently because he liked being clean....   



if you look up SLOOT in the urban dictionary it says  "EVIL and ROTTEN TO THE CORE"  and if you look up joran it says   "see SLOOT"


yep, i think paulus offed himself...  moooooooooooo

at the poker game which paulus was sitting at the table, would not surprise me that paulus and joran pretended to not even know each other.. ( hard to believe because they are both ugly and probably stink like pigs  no offense to pigs because i happen to like the four legged ones..especially when they are little pink buggers. )  but before i go off on a tangent about pigs.. instantly ANITA pops into my head           grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  im skerrrrrring myself   


paulus  killed himself    moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Robots....sounds like you have a real problem.....please reach out to the hotline recently set up for "people with issues concerning pigs.....
Anita is snorting by for your call....1-900-pigs4anita.....

No doubt...sweaty man was a coward......
But I submit cowards don't have the courage to kill themselves.....
So.....
Who killed paulass?
1. paulass
2. mob
3. anita
4. urine
5. k2
6. rudy
7. tacopenis (uncollected fees)
8. jossy
9. dompig
10. jan vd staaten (mercy killing)
11. tito
12. cj
13. mos......
14. Carlos....
fill in or add as you see fit..... 

[Anna]

Hi, Robots!

Well, that's a different slant on things.  I had never considered this aspect but it would fit as well as anything else.

[robots]

well, it could be.. let suppose that something was about to come out in the open..something that truly incrinates vanderSLOG, i agree he is gutless but maybe in a weak moment he decided it wasnt worth it
and decided enough was enough

Hi, Robots!

Well, that's a different slant on things.  I had never considered this aspect but it would fit as well as anything else.

[robots]

Hi, Robots!

Well, that's a different slant on things.  I had never considered this aspect but it would fit as well as anything else.

hi Anna  banana