Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[klaasend]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

Van der Straaten and Voc King are friends....no need to pay them.
Pay off Eric Soemers and Dompig to make all the evidence disappear.

Agree with all of that.  I'm surprised that Jacobs wasn't one of the names, I would've thought he was bought off.

I was wondering that myself and then thought Paulus had him by the short hairs... he's someone that didn't need paid-off as he was threatened with exposure... and Jacobs was dripping with corruption and everyone knew it.

That's two other men in Aruba that are heart attacks waiting to happen.  Jacobs and van der Straten.

[Port Valerie]

The name of the head master was known - that's Werner if I recall correctly. He shipped off to Brazil.

So I wonder who this Steven guy is. Possibly and American in Thailand teaching?

The lower portion is very interesting and these must be the names redacted by Greta.

Paulus is obvious.

Then Dompig ( this must be a bribee )

Then Soemers ( again Eric Soemers, and a possible bribee )

Teacher - could be Werner and paid not to repeat the hit with a baseball bat statement again. Or the drowning story.

Confront lawyer - this has to be Carlo - he told Jansen that she was going to have to get Joran on her own, but Joran was guilty. Carlo later denied that statement, but it was true.

The last part has something to do with a felony charge and researching how it was possibly mishandled.

Not "mishandled." Possibly misprision -- a crime involving negligence or contempt.

[Lifesong]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

Van der Straaten and Voc King are friends....no need to pay them.
Pay off Eric Soemers and Dompig to make all the evidence disappear.

Agree with all of that.  I'm surprised that Jacobs wasn't one of the names, I would've thought he was bought off.

I was wondering that myself and then thought Paulus had him by the short hairs... he's someone that didn't need paid-off as he was threatened with exposure... and Jacobs was dripping with corruption and everyone knew it.

I'm ready to know the name of the detective whose brother had the latitude (or longitude, whatever) of the crab trap in the water and met with the Persistence team.  Was it Clyde Burke?  Who?

[Blue Moon]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

Van der Straaten and Voc King are friends....no need to pay them.
Pay off Eric Soemers and Dompig to make all the evidence disappear.

Agree with all of that.  I'm surprised that Jacobs wasn't one of the names, I would've thought he was bought off.

Jocobs probably was paid.  Joran just forgot to mention him.

OR...... the "big boys" were paid off and the underlings such as Jacobs were paid "down the line".

Thus they all hit the BIG payoff when Deepak and Satish get their money from Dr. Phil. 

[Rob]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

Van der Straaten and Voc King are friends....no need to pay them.
Pay off Eric Soemers and Dompig to make all the evidence disappear.

Agree with all of that.  I'm surprised that Jacobs wasn't one of the names, I would've thought he was bought off.

I was wondering that myself and then thought Paulus had him by the short hairs... he's someone that didn't need paid-off as he was threatened with exposure... and Jacobs was dripping with corruption and everyone knew it.

That's two other men in Aruba that are heart attacks waiting to happen.  Jacobs and van der Straten.

maybe we should check today's Excelsior dead pool odds...

they didn't look too good yesterday.. lol 

[Magnolia]

Joran told Greta and Steph Watts that Paulus paid them $50,000 each.

I don't think Paulus had $100,000 just laying around for bribes.

Who fronted paulus the money?

[texasmom]

REMINDER:

Click on the picture below to hear TIM MILLER talk about the trap they found and the MALE DNA:

TRUTH and  for Natalee!

From Klaas' clip of Steph Watts interview with Tim Miller:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

Steph Watts:  Is there any immediate plans to search the ocean, isn’t that sort of like looking for a needle in a haystack at this point in the case.

Tim Miller:  No not really, not with the equipment that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti have, absolutely not. 

In fact two years ago on December 30th we found a fish trap and we was almost positive it was Natalee’s body in that fish trap. 

We dove on it along with the Aruba authorities and then they said they’ve got to contact the Netherlands to see how to preserve it what to do with it and we was all going to dive on it together. 

Aruba authorities dove on it and then six weeks later they said the DNA came back as a male. 

So, did we find Natalee?  I don’t know.  It certainly looked like her clothes in that fish trap and again we know the night that Natalee disappeared the fisherman’s huts was broken into the knife was stolen; the big fish trap was stolen. 

It’s ironic we found one and I’ve actually got the pictures of that... you know what certainly appears to be a body in that fish trap.

[wreck]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

Van der Straaten and Voc King are friends....no need to pay them.
Pay off Eric Soemers and Dompig to make all the evidence disappear.

Agree with all of that.  I'm surprised that Jacobs wasn't one of the names, I would've thought he was bought off.

I was wondering that myself and then thought Paulus had him by the short hairs... he's someone that didn't need paid-off as he was threatened with exposure... and Jacobs was dripping with corruption and everyone knew it.

That's two other men in Aruba that are heart attacks waiting to happen.  Jacobs and van der Straten.

maybe we should check today's Excelsior dead pool odds...

they didn't look too good yesterday.. lol 

[Lifesong]

Joran told Greta and Steph Watts that Paulus paid them $50,000 each.

I don't think Paulus had $100,000 just laying around for bribes.

Who fronted paulus the money?

Could he have taken advance draw on his LOC from Posner's casino?  Or would Gottenbos have/loan him the money?

[Rob]

I'm ready to know the name of the detective whose brother had the latitude (or longitude, whatever) of the crab trap in the water and met with the Persistence team.  Was it Clyde Burke?  Who?

now this is kinda interesting huh Lifesong...and remember Kyle met with both of them and he later posted the lats and longs that I captured... it was Clyde Burke and someone who he claimed was his brother - who said he was a psychic.

Psychic normally equals = psycho... however in this case - it can't be ignored cause of who Clyde Burke is.

[Magnolia]

Joran told Greta and Steph Watts that Paulus paid them $50,000 each.

I don't think Paulus had $100,000 just laying around for bribes.

Who fronted paulus the money?

Could he have taken advance draw on his LOC from Posner's casino?  Or would Gottenbos have/loan him the money?

I think Posner provided the money for the bribes and Gottenbos provided the boat for disposal of the body. JMO

[nimrod]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

That is what I have believed as well.

Maybe so, but, they still need to look under the concrete slab at the Sloots.

[Tamikosmom]

It appears that Dennis Jacob was in control from the getgo.  According to Dave Holloway ... when he arrived on the Island ... only ONE police station had knowledge of the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen and ... Dennis Jacobs ... a narcotics detective ... was in charge.
_______


Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

Page 173:  It apears that many of the people involved with the investigation into Natalee's disappearance are either corrupt, incompetent, or are pursuing an agenda different from finding Natalee.  I am putting the picture together, and the picture never come out right.  For example, Dennis Jacobs, the lead investigator in the case, is also a narcotics detective.  I am wondering why a narcotics cop is investigating a missing persons case.  Also, going back to my first day that I arrived in Aruba after Natalee's disapprearance, when I found my way to the only police station that had any knowledge that she was missing, the first question that Dennis Jacobs ....

[texasmom]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

Van der Straaten and Voc King are friends....no need to pay them.
Pay off Eric Soemers and Dompig to make all the evidence disappear.

Agree with all of that.  I'm surprised that Jacobs wasn't one of the names, I would've thought he was bought off.

I was wondering that myself and then thought Paulus had him by the short hairs... he's someone that didn't need paid-off as he was threatened with exposure... and Jacobs was dripping with corruption and everyone knew it.

That's two other men in Aruba that are heart attacks waiting to happen.  Jacobs and van der Straten.

maybe we should check today's Excelsior dead pool odds...

they didn't look too good yesterday.. lol 

My bet is Jacobs dies with his mouth full.   

And maybe one night when Van der Straten's had a few those eyeballs will come off that painting and attack his sorry azz!

http://www.bonaireinsider.com/



Wishful thinking...but Van der Straten's "big one" will more than likely come when Anita shows up with her drawrrrrlings and wants him to sell them for her in the Westin art gallery!

 

[Tamikosmom]

The detective and his brother are the reason I am sooo convinced that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap/cage.  These two led the Persistence right to the location.

Janet

+++++

THE SOURCE

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case

Kyle Kingman:  Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

THE SONAR DISCOVERY - THE FIRST ROV DIVE - THE ROV ANALYST

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment.

[NCMike]

The name of the head master was known - that's Werner if I recall correctly. He shipped off to Brazil.

So I wonder who this Steven guy is. Possibly and American in Thailand teaching?

The lower portion is very interesting and these must be the names redacted by Greta.

Paulus is obvious.

Then Dompig ( this must be a bribee )

Then Soemers ( again Eric Soemers, and a possible bribee )

Teacher - could be Werner and paid not to repeat the hit with a baseball bat statement again. Or the drowning story.

Confront lawyer - this has to be Carlo - he told Jansen that she was going to have to get Joran on her own, but Joran was guilty. Carlo later denied that statement, but it was true.

The last part has something to do with a felony charge and researching how it was possibly mishandled.

Not "mishandled." Possibly misprision -- a crime involving negligence or contempt.

Misprision of felony was an offence under the common law of England and was classified as a misdemeanour.[1] It consisted of failing to report knowledge of a felony to the appropriate authorities.

Exceptions were made for close family members of the felon.

A person was not obliged to disclose his knowledge of a felony where the disclosure would tend to incriminate him of that offence or another.[2]

With the development of the modern law, this crime has been discarded in most jurisdictions, and is generally only applied against persons placed in a special position of authority or responsibility. For example, corrections officers who stand idly by while drug trafficking occurs within the prison may be prosecuted for this crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misprision_of_felony

[Rob]

The name of the head master was known - that's Werner if I recall correctly. He shipped off to Brazil.

So I wonder who this Steven guy is. Possibly and American in Thailand teaching?

The lower portion is very interesting and these must be the names redacted by Greta.

Paulus is obvious.

Then Dompig ( this must be a bribee )

Then Soemers ( again Eric Soemers, and a possible bribee )

Teacher - could be Werner and paid not to repeat the hit with a baseball bat statement again. Or the drowning story.

Confront lawyer - this has to be Carlo - he told Jansen that she was going to have to get Joran on her own, but Joran was guilty. Carlo later denied that statement, but it was true.

The last part has something to do with a felony charge and researching how it was possibly mishandled.

Not "mishandled." Possibly misprision -- a crime involving negligence or contempt.

sweet -

mis·pri·sion
1   /mɪsˈprɪʒən/ Show Spelled[mis-prizh-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a neglect or violation of official duty by one in office.
2.
failure by one not an accessory to prevent or notify the authorities of treason or felony.
3.
a contempt against the government, monarch, or courts, as sedition, lese majesty, or a contempt of court.
4.
a mistake; misunderstanding.

   1.

      Maladministration of public office.
   2.

      Neglect in preventing or reporting a felony or treason by one not an accessory.
   3.

      An act of sedition against a government or the courts.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misprision

[Rob]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

Van der Straaten and Voc King are friends....no need to pay them.
Pay off Eric Soemers and Dompig to make all the evidence disappear.

Agree with all of that.  I'm surprised that Jacobs wasn't one of the names, I would've thought he was bought off.

I was wondering that myself and then thought Paulus had him by the short hairs... he's someone that didn't need paid-off as he was threatened with exposure... and Jacobs was dripping with corruption and everyone knew it.

That's two other men in Aruba that are heart attacks waiting to happen.  Jacobs and van der Straten.

maybe we should check today's Excelsior dead pool odds...

they didn't look too good yesterday.. lol 

My bet is Jacobs dies with his mouth full.   

And maybe one night when Van der Straten's had a few those eyeballs will come off that painting and attack his sorry azz!

http://www.bonaireinsider.com/



Wishful thinking...but Van der Straten's "big one" will more than likely come when Anita shows up with her drawrrrrlings and wants him to sell them for her in the Westin art gallery!

 

  canya imagine how that's gonna play out... 

[texasmom]

Interesting comment to the 24ora article I posted earlier...

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16553/5/#comments

Original text:

Scirbi pa ayudo un pobre, February 23, 2010   
esey ta semper di ministerio publico: NUNCA NAN NO SA DI NADA,NOOIT WEET OPENBARE MINISTERIE VAN IETS,mi ta kere nan mester EDIT e nomber y yame MISTERIO PUBLICO,publico so sa y nan NO

Papiamentu translation:

scirbi for aid one pobre, february 23, 2010

esey is always of ministerio publico: never they not know of nothing,  nooit weet openbare ministerie van iets,mi is believe they have to edit the name y yame enigma publico,publico only know y they not

 

[Blue Moon]

Interesting comment to the 24ora article I posted earlier...

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16553/5/#comments

Original text:

Scirbi pa ayudo un pobre, February 23, 2010   
esey ta semper di ministerio publico: NUNCA NAN NO SA DI NADA,NOOIT WEET OPENBARE MINISTERIE VAN IETS,mi ta kere nan mester EDIT e nomber y yame MISTERIO PUBLICO,publico so sa y nan NO

Papiamentu translation:

scirbi for aid one pobre, february 23, 2010

esey is always of ministerio publico: never they not know of nothing,  nooit weet openbare ministerie van iets,mi is believe they have to edit the name y yame enigma publico,publico only know y they not

 

Say What?   Can you translate the translation for me?  Are they saying the minister? knows?