Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[jen3560]

Good Morning, Monkeys,

I guess on Nancy Grace, the new OM Blanken couldn't hear Dave Holloway's offer to provide a search team to search this area?  Surely now, however, Dave will be in touch with him and let him know that searching this is not a problem. 

Why do I have the distinct feeling that this will be rejected on the basis of preserving the sanctuary so as not to disturb the birds?  Sort of makes for a perfect hiding place, doesn't it?  They can always say they can't disrupt the nesting, etc.

Why yes, Anna!  I remember the fuss and accusations made about the turtle eggs so I am pretty sure you are right and that they will not allow a search team in the bird sancturay without making yet another one.

LOL Anna!  The accusations slung at Tim/TES about those turtle eggs was the first thing I thought of when I read your post.

[Ono]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.

But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.

[jen3560]

Hi all!

I'm still trying to get caught up on everything I missed and I have a question....

It seems that toward the end of July someone from CnG and GM was outed as being in/from Aruba and I'm in the thread (#821) trying to figure out what was going on.  I'm terrible with IP's, etc. and that's where the clues/hints from Jen & Kermit came from.

Was it Bastibro?  SS?  I'm really quite confused and trying to read my way through it...  Thanks in advance for any help!

Mmmmm.  At least I think that's the discussion you're talking about.  Let me find that thread and make sure, LOL.  Do you have a page number for where in that thread it starts?

I think thats it, Jen.  It starts around page 64-65.  I'm just not getting what I think I should be getting, if that makes sense!

Jenny Geerman?!  Holy batsh*t!  If the witness was posting under a psuedoname at CnG and GM then thats really crazy. 

Well, I'll keep reading and see if it gets any clearer.

Yes, that is the discussion I was thinking of.

Klaas - is there any w ay you could post your map from your post # 1334 in thread #821 side by side with the map you got of that address listed in Jenny Geerman's poly?

I would like to compare the two locations, to see if they are close to each other.

[jen3560]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.

But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.

Maybe it's for the exact reason Anna posted?  Try to steer this location as being the sanctuary, so no official search can be conducted there?

[Ono]

Good Morning, Monkeys,

I guess on Nancy Grace, the new OM Blanken couldn't hear Dave Holloway's offer to provide a search team to search this area?  Surely now, however, Dave will be in touch with him and let him know that searching this is not a problem. 

Why do I have the distinct feeling that this will be rejected on the basis of preserving the sanctuary so as not to disturb the birds?  Sort of makes for a perfect hiding place, doesn't it?  They can always say they can't disrupt the nesting, etc.

I am getting this odd feeling of deja vu ... deja vu ...deja vu ...

[Lifesong]

Jen,

I finally found the post Magnolia was referencing yesterday about Golba's search.

Muisje posted it here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4717.msg729635#msg729635

Source: Natalee Holloway's Body Found in Aruba
By Thomas Francis in Breaking News, CrimeFriday, Mar. 20 2009 @ 10:56AM
Natalee Holloway
Details remain vague, but The Juice has just learned that authorities believe they have found the body of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old from Clinton, Miss., who vanished in the Caribbean island in May 2005.

A Miami-based flight attendant for American Airlines tells The Juice that a cadaver dog was aboard a Miami-to-Aruba  flight. The officer with the dog told the flight attendant that the dog was going to search for the remains of Holloway.

"They think they've found where Natalee Holloway's remains are, and they're taking the dog down to confirm that," said the flight attendant, who lives in Fort Lauderdale. "They're not telling anybody because Aruba is trying to keep this quiet."


A tabloid media sensation, Holloway's case had lately gone cold. Aruba investigators have been criticized for failing to find a body or a suspect in the teenager's disappearance.

More details to come as they become available.

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2009/03/natalee_holloway_body_found_aruba.php

[Blonde]

A Salia behind the Marriott hotel

pond

bird sancutury

[Ono]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.

But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.

Maybe it's for the exact reason Anna posted?  Try to steer this location as being the sanctuary, so no official search can be conducted there?

But why would she care after all this time is what I'm wondering.   Was she somehow directly involved in the crime before, during, or after?  Her interest after five years is unusual, IMO.   

[AZSunny]

This may have already been posted, but in case you missed this with John Q Kelly...who by the way, doesn't look very well to me.  I hope he is OK.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4050002/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-again

[jen3560]

Thank you!  Thank you!  Thank you!

Jen,

I finally found the post Magnolia was referencing yesterday about Golba's search.

Muisje posted it here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4717.msg729635#msg729635

Source: Natalee Holloway's Body Found in Aruba
By Thomas Francis in Breaking News, CrimeFriday, Mar. 20 2009 @ 10:56AM
Natalee Holloway
Details remain vague, but The Juice has just learned that authorities believe they have found the body of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old from Clinton, Miss., who vanished in the Caribbean island in May 2005.

A Miami-based flight attendant for American Airlines tells The Juice that a cadaver dog was aboard a Miami-to-Aruba  flight. The officer with the dog told the flight attendant that the dog was going to search for the remains of Holloway.

"They think they've found where Natalee Holloway's remains are, and they're taking the dog down to confirm that," said the flight attendant, who lives in Fort Lauderdale. "They're not telling anybody because Aruba is trying to keep this quiet."


A tabloid media sensation, Holloway's case had lately gone cold. Aruba investigators have been criticized for failing to find a body or a suspect in the teenager's disappearance.

More details to come as they become available.

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2009/03/natalee_holloway_body_found_aruba.php

[klaasend]

Hi all!

I'm still trying to get caught up on everything I missed and I have a question....

It seems that toward the end of July someone from CnG and GM was outed as being in/from Aruba and I'm in the thread (#821) trying to figure out what was going on.  I'm terrible with IP's, etc. and that's where the clues/hints from Jen & Kermit came from.

Was it Bastibro?  SS?  I'm really quite confused and trying to read my way through it...  Thanks in advance for any help!

Mmmmm.  At least I think that's the discussion you're talking about.  Let me find that thread and make sure, LOL.  Do you have a page number for where in that thread it starts?

I think thats it, Jen.  It starts around page 64-65.  I'm just not getting what I think I should be getting, if that makes sense!

Jenny Geerman?!  Holy batsh*t!  If the witness was posting under a psuedoname at CnG and GM then thats really crazy. 

Well, I'll keep reading and see if it gets any clearer.

Yes, that is the discussion I was thinking of.

Klaas - is there any w ay you could post your map from your post # 1334 in thread #821 side by side with the map you got of that address listed in Jenny Geerman's poly?

I would like to compare the two locations, to see if they are close to each other.

I'm not sure what you mean by the Jenny Geerman's poly?

SOMEONE has been pulling the strings to do the following:

1 - Take focus of cage find (starting clear back when it was found)
2 - Insert Caps/pond witness/hoax
3 - Creation of CNG
4 - Aruban posting at private site CNG July 2009 - who is NOT Caps

Here is that person:


Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
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ISP Sprint
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Proof that person came from CNG site. Note the dates/times of KNOWN CNG members:

Domain Name rr.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address xxxxxxxxx(Road Runner)
ISP Road Runner
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IP Address xxxxxxxxx(BellSouth.net)
ISP BellSouth.net
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Country : United States (Facts)
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Referring URL http://www.google.co...Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
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Out Click
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Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address xxxxxxxxxxxxx(Comcast Cable)
ISP Comcast Cable
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New Jersey
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Referring URL http://s13.zetaboard...le/topic/6620012/90/
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Out Click
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Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 10:05:39 pm
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Note the unique computer settings for this Aruban visitor. Since the Freebird blog began, there are only 4 visitors from across the world using this 2003 Microsoft Server who have visited our blog, and NONE from Aruba in the past year at SM:

Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
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This server is meant for business/organizational use. More specifically, it is capable of/supports Governmental use:

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ISP Department of Veterans Affairs
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Now take a look at what other things this person from Aruba previously looked for:

Domain Name
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ISPSprint
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Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 199.2.119.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
ISP Sprint
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Oranjestad
Lat/Long : 12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
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BOTTOM LINE

It has been proven the pond search was nothing but a hoax to remove focus and attention away from the ocen search being done by the Persistence.

That was further evidenced by the slip-shod way that pond was "searched" with fire hoses.

That hoax was upheld and supported to the detriment and partial destruction of:

Natalee's Freebirds
Scared Monkeys
Individual People

And most importantly - Natalee Holloway and her family.

That hoax was upheld and supported by:

CNG
GM
Persistence (John Silvetti)

This is now proof positive that an Aruban person working for either their Law Enforcement, or a Ministry of its government is currently posting at CNG, which has become completely private for members only.

Combine that with the actions John Silvetti took regarding that cage and its contents, his absorption of Capslockwizard and his "witness", the pond search, his meeting with AHATA for "donated search funds", and the lies to Natalee's family and the public at large.

Those are dots that everyone should be able to connect.

[Anna]

Well, should it turn out to be the bird sanctuary, I fully expect the rare and elusive purple-crested scarlet throated horned sand warbler found only in this location on earth to be in perpetual nesting season there.

I have come to expect a certain behavior from the officials in Aruba.

[Ono]

Good Morning, Monkeys,

I guess on Nancy Grace, the new OM Blanken couldn't hear Dave Holloway's offer to provide a search team to search this area?  Surely now, however, Dave will be in touch with him and let him know that searching this is not a problem. 

Why do I have the distinct feeling that this will be rejected on the basis of preserving the sanctuary so as not to disturb the birds?  Sort of makes for a perfect hiding place, doesn't it?  They can always say they can't disrupt the nesting, etc.

Why yes, Anna!  I remember the fuss and accusations made about the turtle eggs so I am pretty sure you are right and that they will not allow a search team in the bird sancturay without making yet another one.

 

[jen3560]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.

But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.

Maybe it's for the exact reason Anna posted?  Try to steer this location as being the sanctuary, so no official search can be conducted there?

But why would she care after all this time is what I'm wondering.   Was she somehow directly involved in the crime before, during, or after?  Her interest after five years is unusual, IMO.   

I really can only guess.  Perhaps the better question is - why was a Swiss Bank looking for her when the IRS announced their deal w/Swiss Banks to turn over names of account holders?

How could an editor of a rag in Aruba possibly make enough money to:

a - stash in a Swiss bank account
b - have so much there that she was one who was turned over to the IRS?

Did she come into another source of income sometime over the past 4.5 years?

[Anna]

I have always thought that part of the ATA and AHATA multi-milllion dollar budgets have gone to pay disinformation agents.  It's just the kind of thing they would do.

[jen3560]

Thanks Klaas.

In the poly you posted a copy of, it listed this witness (Jenny Geerman) address.  Then you posted a map of sorts pinpointing that address.

This would really all fit.

Jenny Geerman - pond hoaxter
Jenny Geerman - works for Aruban government

Jenny Geerman - possibly at/near location pinpointed via long/lat as being the Aruban poster at CNG

Aruban poster at CNG using server developed for governmental entities.

[jen3560]

Well, should it turn out to be the bird sanctuary, I fully expect the rare and elusive purple-crested scarlet throated horned sand warbler found only in this location on earth to be in perpetual nesting season there.

I have come to expect a certain behavior from the officials in Aruba.

    But of  course!!

[Ono]

This may have already been posted, but in case you missed this with John Q Kelly...who by the way, doesn't look very well to me.  I hope he is OK.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4050002/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-again

Thanks for the link.    I see what you mean ... I hope he's alright too-he's such a sweet man;  He's holding out hope she may be alive.      Wouldn't that be something ...

[klaasend]

Thanks Klaas.

In the poly you posted a copy of, it listed this witness (Jenny Geerman) address.  Then you posted a map of sorts pinpointing that address.

This would really all fit.

Jenny Geerman - pond hoaxter
Jenny Geerman - works for Aruban government

Jenny Geerman - possibly at/near location pinpointed via long/lat as being the Aruban poster at CNG

Aruban poster at CNG using server developed for governmental entities.

I did?  I don't remember doing that but I'll check.

[Anna]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.

But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.

She did make one totally creepy post at RU once upon a time that said something about how traumatized those boys would have been from having to handle cold, death flesh.


 


I didn't save it or anything like that but others saw it at the time as well.  Totally creepy.

Also she used to publish that free advertiser type rag of a news supplement that was full of ads for massage parlors and escorts, including male ones and you may recall Patrick van der Eem saying Dolphi Richardson said Joran was a male prostiture at times.  I have thought maybe all the pimps were given their propensity for "modeling" positions and such when they are obviously not model material.  Perhaps she has some interest in that aspect?  Dunno. . . .