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« Reply #1760 on: February 24, 2010, 12:33:09 PM »


Jen,

I finally found the post Magnolia was referencing yesterday about Golba's search.

Muisje posted it here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4717.msg729635#msg729635

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Source: Natalee Holloway's Body Found in Aruba
By Thomas Francis in Breaking News, CrimeFriday, Mar. 20 2009 @ 10:56AM
Natalee Holloway
Details remain vague, but The Juice has just learned that authorities believe they have found the body of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old from Clinton, Miss., who vanished in the Caribbean island in May 2005.

A Miami-based flight attendant for American Airlines tells The Juice that a cadaver dog was aboard a Miami-to-Aruba  flight. The officer with the dog told the flight attendant that the dog was going to search for the remains of Holloway.

"They think they've found where Natalee Holloway's remains are, and they're taking the dog down to confirm that," said the flight attendant, who lives in Fort Lauderdale. "They're not telling anybody because Aruba is trying to keep this quiet."


A tabloid media sensation, Holloway's case had lately gone cold. Aruba investigators have been criticized for failing to find a body or a suspect in the teenager's disappearance.

More details to come as they become available.

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2009/03/natalee_holloway_body_found_aruba.php


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Golba does have a history....


He apparently can not keep a secret..........he told a flight attendant????  (I am assumng it was a supposed to be on the down low).
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« Reply #1761 on: February 24, 2010, 12:33:21 PM »

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.


But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.

Maybe it's for the exact reason Anna posted?  Try to steer this location as being the sanctuary, so no official search can be conducted there?

But why would she care after all this time is what I'm wondering.   Was she somehow directly involved in the crime before, during, or after?  Her interest after five years is unusual, IMO.   

I really can only guess.  Perhaps the better question is - why was a Swiss Bank looking for her when the IRS announced their deal w/Swiss Banks to turn over names of account holders?

How could an editor of a rag in Aruba possibly make enough money to:

a - stash in a Swiss bank account
b - have so much there that she was one who was turned over to the IRS?

Did she come into another source of income sometime over the past 4.5 years?

   I didn't know all that.  I haven't read Natalee's thread for several years ... Thanks.
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« Reply #1762 on: February 24, 2010, 12:35:14 PM »

Good Morning, Monkeys,

I guess on Nancy Grace, the new OM Blanken couldn't hear Dave Holloway's offer to provide a search team to search this area?  Surely now, however, Dave will be in touch with him and let him know that searching this is not a problem. 

Why do I have the distinct feeling that this will be rejected on the basis of preserving the sanctuary so as not to disturb the birds?  Sort of makes for a perfect hiding place, doesn't it?  They can always say they can't disrupt the nesting, etc.




Why yes, Anna!  I remember the fuss and accusations made about the turtle eggs so I am pretty sure you are right and that they will not allow a search team in the bird sancturay without making yet another one.

LOL Anna!  The accusations slung at Tim/TES about those turtle eggs was the first thing I thought of when I read your post.

   Me, too.  I read it and then have been off doing other things...sadly, I must return to them and get them done. 
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« Reply #1763 on: February 24, 2010, 12:35:23 PM »

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« Reply #1764 on: February 24, 2010, 12:35:37 PM »

This may have already been posted, but in case you missed this with John Q Kelly...who by the way, doesn't look very well to me.  I hope he is OK.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4050002/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-again

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« Reply #1765 on: February 24, 2010, 12:36:56 PM »

Thanks Klaas - yes, that's the one.  Can I be a really big pain in the arse Monkey and ask for them to be posted together?  I'm image challenged.  Still. 
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« Reply #1766 on: February 24, 2010, 12:39:34 PM »

Jenny Geerman address is up in Noord on the northern part of the island.  The IP in question is south of Orangestad and CnC

This isn't the exact address on Palm Beach but iti shows the road.  You would drive inland toward Noord:



The IP is down south of the cruise line terminals and CnC




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« Reply #1767 on: February 24, 2010, 12:42:20 PM »

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.


But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.



She did make one totally creepy post at RU once upon a time that said something about how traumatized those boys would have been from having to handle cold, death flesh.


 


I didn't save it or anything like that but others saw it at the time as well.  Totally creepy.

Also she used to publish that free advertiser type rag of a news supplement that was full of ads for massage parlors and escorts, including male ones and you may recall Patrick van der Eem saying Dolphi Richardson said Joran was a male prostiture at times.  I have thought maybe all the pimps were given their propensity for "modeling" positions and such when they are obviously not model material.  Perhaps she has some interest in that aspect?  Dunno. . . .

Oh I remember that well.  Yes that was creepy alright.  She just has always struck me as having an unusal personal interest surpassing tourist issues, IMO.       And wasn't there supposed to have been a strange call to Natalee's room about a spa/massage appointment that the girls didn't know anything about?
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« Reply #1768 on: February 24, 2010, 12:49:41 PM »

Thanks Klaas.  That little street up and to the right of the Geerman address just looked SO much like the size and shape of Beatrixstraat - where the CNG Aruban poster's IP traced to.
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« Reply #1769 on: February 24, 2010, 12:50:25 PM »

This may have already been posted, but in case you missed this with John Q Kelly...who by the way, doesn't look very well to me.  I hope he is OK.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4050002/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-again

Thank you Sunny.  No, he didn't look or sound well. 

He's never sounded good to me but I guess that's just his voice.  He didn't look that bad to me just maybe he has a face not meant for HD 
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« Reply #1770 on: February 24, 2010, 12:50:30 PM »

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.


But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.



She did make one totally creepy post at RU once upon a time that said something about how traumatized those boys would have been from having to handle cold, death flesh.


 


I didn't save it or anything like that but others saw it at the time as well.  Totally creepy.

Also she used to publish that free advertiser type rag of a news supplement that was full of ads for massage parlors and escorts, including male ones and you may recall Patrick van der Eem saying Dolphi Richardson said Joran was a male prostiture at times.  I have thought maybe all the pimps were given their propensity for "modeling" positions and such when they are obviously not model material.  Perhaps she has some interest in that aspect?  Dunno. . . .

Oh I remember that well.  Yes that was creepy alright.  She just has always struck me as having an unusal personal interest surpassing tourist issues, IMO.       And wasn't there supposed to have been a strange call to Natalee's room about a spa/massage appointment that the girls didn't know anything about?

Yes, someone had called their room and said it was time for Rosemary's massge or spa appointment, can't remember which now.  There was no one with that name starying in the room where Natalee was assigned.

More strangeness.
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« Reply #1771 on: February 24, 2010, 12:54:44 PM »

This may have already been posted, but in case you missed this with John Q Kelly...who by the way, doesn't look very well to me.  I hope he is OK.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4050002/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-again

Thank you Sunny.  No, he didn't look or sound well. 

He's never sounded good to me but I guess that's just his voice.  He didn't look that bad to me just maybe he has a face not meant for HD 


I thought his hair was not very well combed and he sounded hoarse or as though he had a cold.

But what got me was at the end of the video when she read a statement from Joe Tacopina that said Joran was not stable and had suffered psychological damage as a result of this.  Yeah, sure, he was just dandy before, right?

Anyway, he said Joran was unstable and not credible, etc. so why is Joran not locked up getting treatment for this psychological damage even his own attorney says he has, for whatever reasons???

Shouldn't he be in Den Derben or whatever it is called with Johann?

And I never did get my bracelet from that Bastibro, either!!!


 
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« Reply #1772 on: February 24, 2010, 12:56:21 PM »

This may have already been posted, but in case you missed this with John Q Kelly...who by the way, doesn't look very well to me.  I hope he is OK.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4050002/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-again

He looks okay to me. It's the hair. It's too long and sort of combed over. Also, it's dyed sort of a strawberry color but the gray roots are showing. Maybe he didn't plan to be on tv.
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« Reply #1773 on: February 24, 2010, 12:57:00 PM »

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #821 7/13/09 -
« Reply #1288 on: July 27, 2009, 03:46:31 PM »
SOMEONE has been pulling the strings to do the following:

1 - Take focus of cage find (starting clear back when it was found)
2 - Insert Caps/pond witness/hoax
3 - Creation of CNG
4 - Aruban posting at private site CNG July 2009 - who is NOT Caps

Here is that person:


Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 199.0.83.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
ISP Sprint
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Oranjestad
Lat/Long : 12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 16 bits

Time of Visit Jul 24 2009 2:30:36 pm
Last Page View Jul 24 2009 2:31:33 pm
Visit Length 57 seconds
Page Views 1
Referring URL http://www.google.co...t seen&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Search Engine google.com
Search Words deepak car last seen
Visit Entry Page http://nataleesfreeb...8_07_01_archive.html
Visit Exit Page http://nataleesfreeb...8_07_01_archive.html
Out Click 4 pic
http://s656.photobuc...nt=Deepakcar-not.png
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 4:30:36 pm
Visit Number 16,682
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Proof that person came from CNG site. Note the dates/times of KNOWN CNG members:

Domain Name rr.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address xxxxxxxxx(Road Runner)
ISP Road Runner
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New York
City : Buffalo

Referring URL http://s13.zetaboard...le/topic/6620012/90/
Visit Entry Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Visit Exit Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 6:27:42 pm
Visit Number 16,684
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Domain Name bellsouth.net ? (Network)
IP Address xxxxxxxxx(BellSouth.net)
ISP BellSouth.net
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Georgia
City : Norcross

Referring URL http://www.google.co...Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Search Engine google.com
Search Words kalpoe stopped around the corner after carlos charlies
Visit Entry Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Visit Exit Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 5:54:58 pm
Visit Number 16,683
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Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address xxxxxxxxxxxxx(Comcast Cable)
ISP Comcast Cable
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New Jersey
City : Willingboro

Referring URL http://s13.zetaboard...le/topic/6620012/90/
Visit Entry Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Visit Exit Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Time Zone UTC-4:00
Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 10:05:39 pm
Visit Number 16,688
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Note the unique computer settings for this Aruban visitor. Since the Freebird blog began, there are only 4 visitors from across the world using this 2003 Microsoft Server who have visited our blog, and NONE from Aruba in the past year at SM:

Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)
Javascript version 1.3

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/default.mspx
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This server is meant for business/organizational use. More specifically, it is capable of/supports Governmental use:

Domain Name xxxxxxx (U.S. Government)
IP Address xxxxxxxxxxx(Department of Veterans Affairs)
ISP Department of Veterans Affairs
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Massachusetts
City : Milford
Lat/Long : 42.1544, -71.521 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
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Color Depth : 24 bits

Time of Visit Mar 26 2008 4:25:59 pm
Last Page View Mar 26 2008 4:35:30 pm
Visit Length 9 minutes 31 seconds
Page Views 1
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Search Words natalie holloway criminal case
Visit Entry Page http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
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http://www.blogger.c...07470829574593701513 ime Zone UTC-4:00
Visitor's Time Mar 26 2008 7:25:59 pm
Visit Number 9,913


Now take a look at what other things this person from Aruba previously looked for:

Domain Name
setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 204.212.121.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
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Location
Continent:South America
Country:Aruba (Facts)
City:Oranjestad
Lat/Long:12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)
LanguageEnglish (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System
Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor Resolution:1024 x 768
Color Depth:16 bits
Time of VisitMay 18 2009 11:14:23 am
Last Page ViewMay 18 2009 11:14:23 am
Visit Length0 seconds
Page Views 1
Referring URLhttp://www.google.co...&tbo=1&start=20&sa=N
Search Engine google.com
Search Words clyde burke aruba
Visit Entry Page http://bustarubamisi...r-to-this-place.html
Visit Exit Page http://bustarubamisi...r-to-this-place.html
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time May 18 2009 12:14:23 pm
Visit Number 237
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Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 199.2.119.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
ISP Sprint
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Oranjestad
Lat/Long : 12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 16 bits
Time of Visit Nov 19 2008 8:10:28 am
Last Page View Nov 19 2008 8:57:09 am
Visit Length 46 minutes 41 seconds
Page Views 6
Referring URL http://www.google.co...jacobs&start=20&sa=N
Search Engine google.com
Search Words dennis jacobs
Visit Entry Page http://nataleesfreeb...1/dennis-jacobs.html
Visit Exit Page http://nataleesfreeb...anslation-means.html
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-4:00
Visitor's Time Nov 19 2008 11:10:28 am
Visit Number 12,965



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BOTTOM LINE

It has been proven the pond search was nothing but a hoax to remove focus and attention away from the ocen search being done by the Persistence.

That was further evidenced by the slip-shod way that pond was "searched" with fire hoses.

That hoax was upheld and supported to the detriment and partial destruction of:

Natalee's Freebirds
Scared Monkeys
Individual People

And most importantly - Natalee Holloway and her family.

That hoax was upheld and supported by:

CNG
GM
Persistence (John Silvetti)

This is now proof positive that an Aruban person working for either their Law Enforcement, or a Ministry of its government is currently posting at CNG, which has become completely private for members only.

Combine that with the actions John Silvetti took regarding that cage and its contents, his absorption of Capslockwizard and his "witness", the pond search, his meeting with AHATA for "donated search funds", and the lies to Natalee's family and the public at large.

Those are dots that everyone should be able to connect.


The new york IP is Star___ K. aka mrs kub
The Willingboro, NJ IP  is SusanESmithphotobucket.com aka SS aka SES
Norcross Georgia is IP Br___ T_____ aka Destiny
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« Reply #1774 on: February 24, 2010, 01:03:08 PM »

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.


But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.



She did make one totally creepy post at RU once upon a time that said something about how traumatized those boys would have been from having to handle cold, death flesh.


 


I didn't save it or anything like that but others saw it at the time as well.  Totally creepy.

Also she used to publish that free advertiser type rag of a news supplement that was full of ads for massage parlors and escorts, including male ones and you may recall Patrick van der Eem saying Dolphi Richardson said Joran was a male prostiture at times.  I have thought maybe all the pimps were given their propensity for "modeling" positions and such when they are obviously not model material.  Perhaps she has some interest in that aspect?  Dunno. . . .

Oh I remember that well.  Yes that was creepy alright.  She just has always struck me as having an unusal personal interest surpassing tourist issues, IMO.       And wasn't there supposed to have been a strange call to Natalee's room about a spa/massage appointment that the girls didn't know anything about?

Yes, someone had called their room and said it was time for Rosemary's massge or spa appointment, can't remember which now.  There was no one with that name starying in the room where Natalee was assigned.

More strangeness.

THURSDAY- MONDAY

Lee and Natalee's daily routine is to get a drink and go to the ocean at 10:00 am, return to their room for naps at 5:00 pm, get ready for dinner at 6:00 pm, and then after dinner go out to bars together (Broughton 302).

Croupier Micheal Cornes observes that Natalee comes to the HI casino every day, where she drinks rum the entire evening. She always recieves a full cup of rum with only a bit of cola (DZNH).

Natalee shares a bed with Ruth. Every morning when Ruth wakes up she sees Natalee beside her, except for Monday (NY Post 7/17/05)


A male classmate, Hunter Williams, takes naps in Natalee's hotel room, and Lee later tells the FBI that he might have stayed in the room with them one night, but doesn't think he would have used Natalee's toothbrush (DZNH, p. 333).

Madison and other girls tease Natalee about wearing a short skirt, which is unlike her. Madison believes Natalee to be a virgin, who would not let boys touch her or kiss with boys (DZNH).

Days before Natalee's disappearance, a cab driver takes an intoxicated girl, whom the driver later identifies as Natalee, back to her hotel. During the ride the driver hears the girl telling her friends she is "in love" with a Dutch boy (ABC 4/24/06).

While Natalee is drunk, she tells a classmate she wants to see sharks, and asks a cab driver if you could see sharks near the lighthouse (DZNH, p. 223).
Natalee tells a classmate that her mother is "Hitler's sister" (DZNH, PTL).

A weird message is left on the phone in Natalee's hotel room, by a woman saying that 'Rosemary' is scheduled for a massage off the hotel property (Whatley 302)
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« Reply #1775 on: February 24, 2010, 01:03:22 PM »

I believe it was Clyde Burke posting at CnG, I can't prove it, it's just my belief based on what I have read and discerned from all the info ...
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Thank you, Lifesong!!
I had begun to think I had gone goofy.

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He apparently can not keep a secret..........he told a flight attendant????  (I am assumng it was a supposed to be on the down low).

 

Mags, I knew yesterday when you posted that you'd remembered it correctly - which was completely impressive, I would've never gotten that right without prompting!  But then it just took me 2 days to find it! 
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I believe it was Clyde Burke posting at CnG, I can't prove it, it's just my belief based on what I have read and discerned from all the info ...

Rob!  I'm glad your back...I had a question for you, but now I have two!   

Do you think he was posting at CnG as Bastibro?

Also - back to the detective  and his "brother" with the latitude - I'd thought that Kyle said that he was brown-skinned but not black and I thought Clyde Burke was black?

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« Reply #1778 on: February 24, 2010, 01:09:58 PM »

PICTURE OF WYNDHAM AND THE BIRD SANCTUARY





SEE THE WYNDHAM AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE BIRD SANCTUARY


posted by Klassend


I believe I posted before about why we believe that Joran was in this area. If you go through the statements and the timelines you'll see that Joran gets a phone call from Deepak and he tells Deepak he is near the Wyndham, when he was suppose to have been at the Racquet Club according to his other statement. The ONLY reason he would tell Deepak on the phone that he was near the Wyndham is because if someone spotted him he could use Deepak as his alibi.  You'll have to find where I posted all of this information and go through it step by step and see if it makes sense to yawl.

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« Reply #1779 on: February 24, 2010, 01:10:23 PM »


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