Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[jen3560]

Thank you Lifesong, and Blonde!

I guess we would have to know what threads those were to either confirm or disprove they are a member there.  If either of those threads are in their hidey hole, that means they are a member there.

This is for Jen in the morning when she gets back:

Remember Beatrix street?  I just came across it in that old thread, thanks to Blonde.

Here's the link:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg892670#msg892670

Blonde found that someone who was a SM left and went directly to the goldmonkey site.  She mapped their Lat/Long coordinates and it came out to Beatrix street.

Well who ever  this is they  went to GoldenMonkey after they were here

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[klaasend]

When I go to GM, because I'm NOT a member the url always stays the same http://goldmonkey.org/ , go to any thread and it remains the same.

[jen3560]

According to Amigoe, the area Joran is claiming now to have put Natalee's body was in the pond/salina near the Marriot:

Joran's 6/14/2005 statement:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=184.0

(snipped)
At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to
(snipped)

Because his cell phone pings never went farther down than between the Mariott and Holiday Inn.  So that is precisely what makes Bubali an impossible story - IF he's claiming the next night disposal, like this statement above is referring to.

Klaas - I know you've got an image of those cell tower logs (because Freebirds used it in our Faces of Evil series ), and that confirms he never went beyond that boat dock until later that night in the casinos.  Certainly he never made it as far as the Wyndham or Mill Resort.

[jen3560]

I don't know whether to be shocked, or to laugh!  Perhaps Anita really did know what a piece of garbage her husband really was?

From Renfro's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=julia+renfro&init=quick#!/profile.php?v=wall&ref=search&id=1588057630

[klaasend]

Here is Part 2 from Natalee's Freebirds:

In The Face of Evil ~ May 30, 2005
 
Crimes Committed Against Natalee Holloway ~ Part 2
 
With a plan firmly in the minds of Joran and Paulus van der Sloot, they then made preparations to put that plan into action.

Were Paulus and Joran finalizing the details with Koen Gottenbos to take Miss Holloway's remains out to sea?
 

 



NO BODY, NO CASE ~ Paulus Van Der Sloot


TWITTY: Yes, there was a boat that Joran mentioned in one of his statements on June 9. It's actually a friend of his. It's Coon's (ph) father has a boat. And from what I'd understood, that there was some activity with that boat during the early morning hours of May 30, when these boys took Natalee. To what extent, we don't know. Whether forensics were done, whether the boat was searched, there's been a lot of speculation, but I really don't have any concrete follow-up information of what they actually did to the Coon's father's boat.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


What was the true purpose Joran was dropped off by Paulus at the Racquet Club?

We believe there were two reasons for these actions:

1. To bring all other evidence to an area near the boat launch in his gym bag - Miss Holloway's clothing and personal effects she had on her person the previous night, and any/all soiled clothing of Joran's.

2. To coordinate with Koen Gottenbos the timing of his boat being at the boat launch for Joran and Paulus' use.
 

 

 



 
JORAN SAID AT APPROXIMATELY 5:00 HE IS DROPPED OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB


 
At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club. Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I had done my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted to Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that
JVDS 6-14

Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was cowardly/weak and that no one was there.
JVDS 6-14

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED JORAN OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB AT 5:00 OR LATER. DOESN'T REMEMBER FOR SURE IF HE WENT INSIDE

To your question what I did after 16.15 hours, I can state the following. I think I dropped Joran off at the “Raquet Club” at approximately 17.00 hours. I could have been later though. I cannot exactly remember anymore.
To your question whether I saw Joran enter the “Raquet Club”, I can state the following. If I drop off Joran he normally walks inside. As far as I can remember he did do that at this occasion too but I do not know for sure
PVDS - 6/23

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED JORAN OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB BETWEEN 5:00 AND 6:30. SEES HIM GO INSIDE

Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Racquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym. He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building.
PVDS 6-18

6:00 JORAN SAYS HIS TENNIS LESSON STARTED

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself
JVDS 6-14

6:00 DEEPAK SAYS HE CALLS JORAN - JORAN SAYS HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM WITH GUIDO

I had called Joran at approximately 18.00 hours. I just asked him how he was. Joran was at that moment in time together with a friend of us named Guido in the casino at “Wyndham”
DEEPAK 6-11

At about 18.00 hours, I called Joran on his mobile phone. I had called him with the telephone from where I work. The phone number there is 588xxxx. I asked Joran, how he was doing and if he had gone to school. )
I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now. Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham and that he was there together with our friend Guido
DEEPAK 6-13

To your question as to when I called Joran on that Monday and asked him where he was and with whom Joran said that he was with in the casino, I can say the following. Joran told me that he and Guido were together at the "Wyndham" casino. That was about 18.00 hours
DEEPAK 6-16


7:00 JORAN SAYS HIS TENNIS LESSON ENDED

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers
JVDS 6-14

ART WOOD IS QUOTED AS SAYING WHEN HE INVESTIGATED, HE DISCOVERED JORAN NEVER PLAYED TENNIS THAT NIGHT

Former U.S. Secret Service agent Art Wood, who spent months on the island investigating the case, told The National Enquirer: "Joran told police that he played tennis with a friend during the evening hours. And the pal backed up his alibi.”
"But when I investigated the Racquet Club I found that Joran had never played tennis there that night."
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63342


JORAN ADIMTS HE DID NOT PLAY TENNIS AFTER ALL THAT DAY

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - PAGE 98

JORAN DELIBERATELY LEAVES HIS GYM BAG AT THE RACQUET CLUB

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I wa s alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those
JVDS 6-14


7:02 PM = Sunset (the 48% illuminated moon has not risen, yet)

AOL Timeline

Was this phone call from Joran to Deepak made from the water?
 


 
VAN DER STRAATEN DOES A REPORT ON A 19:25 PHONE CALL (7:25 PM)
 



From available information it has become clear that on May 30th 2005 around 19:25 from number 588-xxxx (Deepak Kalpoe’s work location) received a call to number 562-xxxx which is the cell phone number of Joran van der Sloot.

According to cell-id in the records this information was transmitted on mast 9181 (Casa del Mar/Eagle and after 2.28 minutes on the mast 9123 (Hadishibana – Lighthouse).

 
The Racquet Club is directly East of the Marriott, and the fisherman's huts. Fisherman's Huts are 300 yards NORTH of the boat launch, which is right by the Holiday Inn.

The Wyndham is at the South end of the high-rise hotels on Palm Beach - with only Divi Phoenix and the Mill Resort being further South of them..............all of which is still to the North of the Bird Sanctuary.

Now if we look at the map van der Straten drew, and a map of where the hotels sit, we have this:

Casa Del Mar mast id # 9181 is South of Hadishibana/Lighthouse mast id # 9123. That tells us that Joran's phone was traveling NORTH from the Holiday Inn/boat launch area - in the direction of the Lighthouse (or Mariott).

There are several more cell tower (masts) further South than the 9181 Casa Del Mar tower that covers the Holiday Inn.

Also - that cell tower (mast) covers ONLY the area around the HOLIDAY INN, doesn't even serve the area of the Marriott..............the Hadishibana/Lighthouse mast serves that area.

In fact - the ONLY hotels that mast (9181) serves are (starting with the Holiday Inn, and heading SOUTH):


Holiday Inn
*Playa Linda
*Hyatt Regency
*Brickell Bay Beach Club
*Allegro

* Denotes these hotels are served by additional cell towers (masts) in addition to 9181

We believe from this point forward, after the disposal of Miss Holloway's remains, Joran was attempting to create a very public alibi for his whereabouts that evening, via the casino surveillance cameras.
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[jen3560]

Do we know if Joran is in Aruba?

If so, I don't see why Blanken can't bring him in for questioning.

No, he's not in Aruba.  PVDS body was flown very quickly after his death to the Netherlands.  There was a video of Joran and Val arriving at the airport in the NL.  Joran was in the NL for the funeral which I believe was held on the 18th or 19th.  Hard to say if he's still in the NL or if he now back in Thailand.

That said last time he was in Aruba we were told that they couldn't force him to come in and talk without arresting him.

Yes..it's way too early for me to be up.  The dogs are being bad!

Actually, he is in Aruba.  On his social page a few days ago he posted something about Home Sweet Home.

Responses were congrats on being back in Aruba.

[jen3560]

Thank you Klaas!  That would be the one! 

[jen3560]

Joran Van Der Sloot
Home Sweet Home
Mon at 4:59pm


Jan Brennan
Sorry sweetie I should have explained that message was from Renee. I am glad you are home! Aruba is a good place to be. Sending love!
Mon at 6:43pm

Guided Light
I hope your time spent at home is peaceful.. I am so glad you are there with your mom! You are all in our thoughts and prayers daily.. Much love.
Mon at 7:57pm

Cathy Mennitt-Cadmus
Bet it feels good to be home! Give everyone our love and maybe we will see you the end of march, not sure how long you will be staying. We are all flying down the 28-4.
Tue at 6:37am

Jan Brennan
Hope you are having a good first day home! I know I cannot wait to come back to Aruba and always love visiting with your family.
Tue at 12:26pm


Joran Van Der Sloot --- This shit was all I knew you and me only, I did it all for you still you were loney. We coulda have worked things out, but I guess things change its funny how someone elses success brings pain, Im the topic of conversation while I sit and drink wine and watch californication.
Tue at 1:34pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
We coulda split this whole thing up 50/50, but now im at the 40/40 getting tipsy
Tue at 7:31pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
Poppin a bottle of Nemiroff.. I hope this shit is good.
Yesterday at 4:00pm

Anita Hugen
Watch your language................
Yesterday at 6:43pm

Jan Brennan
lol
Yesterday at 7:02pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
I let the beat bang I dont play in colors
Yesterday at 4:32pm

[Lifesong]

CnG site meter

My Great Uncle started the first school in Rison, Arkansas.  I wonder who that is?

Casa

Of course!!

And SS is sometimes Colonia, NJ?

Signed in as Capslockwizard, however THIS IS THE GUY THAT EMAILED CAPS TO COME TO OUR BLOG

IP Address         66.247.201.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
66.247.207.#
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I'm racking my brain...wasn't it Kawish that emailed Caps to go to Freebirds' blog - or was it Purcell?

[klaasend]

Joran Van Der Sloot
Home Sweet Home
Mon at 4:59pm


Jan Brennan
Sorry sweetie I should have explained that message was from Renee. I am glad you are home! Aruba is a good place to be. Sending love!
Mon at 6:43pm

Guided Light
I hope your time spent at home is peaceful.. I am so glad you are there with your mom! You are all in our thoughts and prayers daily.. Much love.
Mon at 7:57pm

Cathy Mennitt-Cadmus
Bet it feels good to be home! Give everyone our love and maybe we will see you the end of march, not sure how long you will be staying. We are all flying down the 28-4.
Tue at 6:37am

Jan Brennan
Hope you are having a good first day home! I know I cannot wait to come back to Aruba and always love visiting with your family.
Tue at 12:26pm


Joran Van Der Sloot --- This shit was all I knew you and me only, I did it all for you still you were loney. We coulda have worked things out, but I guess things change its funny how someone elses success brings pain, Im the topic of conversation while I sit and drink wine and watch californication.
Tue at 1:34pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
We coulda split this whole thing up 50/50, but now im at the 40/40 getting tipsy
Tue at 7:31pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
Poppin a bottle of Nemiroff.. I hope this shit is good.
Yesterday at 4:00pm

Anita Hugen
Watch your language................
Yesterday at 6:43pm

Jan Brennan
lol
Yesterday at 7:02pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
I let the beat bang I dont play in colors
Yesterday at 4:32pm

So Monday the 22nd he's back in Aruba? 

[klaasend]

I wish I had known sooner and I would have been snooping in the Aruba area rather than the NL area.

[jen3560]

Lifesong - yes, Kawish. 

Klaas - yes, the 22nd Sporter was back on hell hole island.

Sounds like he and mom are having a grand ole time.

[jen3560]

I wish I had known sooner and I would have been snooping in the Aruba area rather than the NL area.

I'm sorry.  I did post it here on Monday.    Promise. 

[Nut44x4]

from above....

Joran Van Der Sloot --- This shit was all I knew you and me only, I did it all for you still you were loney. We coulda have worked things out, but I guess things change its funny how someone elses success brings pain, Im the topic of conversation while I sit and drink wine and watch californication.
Tue at 1:34pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
We coulda split this whole thing up 50/50, but now im at the 40/40 getting tipsy
Tue at 7:31pm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

wtf is he talking about and who is he directing it to?

[klaasend]

I wish I had known sooner and I would have been snooping in the Aruba area rather than the NL area.

I'm sorry.  I did post it here on Monday.    Promise. 

Hard for me to read everything with the entire forum and front page to monitor.  I didn't see your post but I wish I had.

[jen3560]

from above....

Joran Van Der Sloot --- This shit was all I knew you and me only, I did it all for you still you were loney. We coulda have worked things out, but I guess things change its funny how someone elses success brings pain, Im the topic of conversation while I sit and drink wine and watch californication.
Tue at 1:34pm

Joran Van Der Sloot
We coulda split this whole thing up 50/50, but now im at the 40/40 getting tipsy
Tue at 7:31pm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

wtf is he talking about and who is he directing it to?

I kinda thought the first one might have been a message to Papa. In fact, the more I read it - the more I think so.  What it says to me is - Joran thinks this is "success", and he might be realizing that the stress from  his "success" is what killed his dad.  And of course the rest is that he did this all for his dad.........

*But that is just guesswork on my part*

The second one...........the only thing to "split" that I can think of is the K's lawsuit?

He's not directing those to anyone - posted them unsolicited, far as I can tell.  At least, publicly unsolicited.  No telling about PM's and the like.........

[jen3560]

I wish I had known sooner and I would have been snooping in the Aruba area rather than the NL area.

I'm sorry.  I did post it here on Monday.    Promise. 

Hard for me to read everything with the entire forum and front page to monitor.  I didn't see your post but I wish I had.

Understandable.  I promise I'll email you in addition to posting in future. 

I can tell you that Beth knows he's back there.....

[Nut44x4]

thanks jen 

[klaasend]

Thanks Jen

[jen3560]

YW!