Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[texasmom]

http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/uploads/images/nXyIwfyZCXXtdMpu8FGccA/WEEKLY_News.pdf

Aruba – Government To Address Criticism at FATF Meeting

The Aruba government will attend the FATF Plenary meeting in Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), next week. Aruba will present a detailed and prioritized action plan to the FATF in an attempt to demonstrate substantial progress while addressing shortcomings and avoid possible placement on the FATF list of high -risk jurisdictions. Aruba was referred to the International Co‐operation Review Group, the so‐called ICRG, of the FATF for a prima facie review. The G-20 has requested the FATF to issue and publish a high risk jurisdictions list by February 2010.
The 2008 evaluation of Aruba’s compliance with the 49‐FATF recommendations was subpar. Aruba has been found to be non‐compliant or partially compliant with 13 of the 16 key and core recommendations. Some of the key criticism is listed below:

- Aruba’s system of AML/CFT preventive measures is incomplete, lacks coherence and
is ineffective
- There is no separate and independent offense for terrorist financing in the Penal Code
of Aruba
- Aruba has not implemented UN-resolutions 1267 and 1373
- The supervisory laws and regulations should be strengthened
- Supervision should be extended to other not-regulated sectors (e.g. investment
business and insurance brokers)
- The not-regulated electronic stock exchange market forms a huge risk for ML/TF
- The AML/CFT Directives issued are incomplete
- The AML/CFT oversight should be strengthened, especially with regard to the offshore
banks and insurance companies
- The staffing of the Reporting Center Unusual Financial Transactions (MOT), Central
Bank of Aruba, Public Prosecutor’s Office and Police is inadequate
- The training in the area of AML/CFT, also to increase level of awareness, should be
enhanced.

[texasmom]

http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/uploads/images/nXyIwfyZCXXtdMpu8FGccA/WEEKLY_News.pdf

Aruba – USFOL Screen Allegedly Monitors Military Bases in Western Venezuela

In his Sunday talk show, former Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel stated that the U.S. government is spying on Venezuela from neighboring Aruba.

This time Rangel reportedly provided evidence from a report received from an unknown Venezuelan, who supposedly managed to enter the Forward Operating Location (FOL) premises on Aruba. Rangel said that a security lapse allowed the "visitor" to stay and look around. He observed four giant screens, one showing the western part of Venezuela, the area nearest to Aruba and Venezuela's military, service and industrial installations.

Rangel showed viewers the monitored areas Tachira and Zulia that border Colombia on a screen. The Aruba USFOL operates radar equipment which monitors plane movements in the Caribbean and the Venezuelan mainland, according to Rangel.

“The USFOLs were set up as counter-narcotics centers but have since expanded into spying centers, especially against increasingly "unfriendly" Venezuela. Also, the USFOL in Curacao is larger and less controversial, since Arubans have voiced their criticism concerning the USFOL presence,” Rangel stated. (Various media)

[Rob]

[texasmom]

http://www.condoleance.nl/registers/register_12086.html

Paul van der Sloot

January 1, 1952    February 11, 2010

Van der Sloot (57), from Boxtel, was one of known as the father of Joran van der Sloot, who was discredited by the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway.

The death of Van der Sloot was confirmed Thursday by family in Boxtel. The cardiac arrest Paul van der Sloot found Wednesday during a game of tennis at Villa Park \ \ Tierra del Sol `\ \`. Resuscitation attempts were not late. Van der Sloot lived for over twenty years in Aruba in Oranjestad, where he ran a law practice.

It is not known when and where the funeral will take place.
(publication date 11-2-2010)

Register is created by: Rianne

This register will remain visible until April 11, 2010. You can extend this period.

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On February 14, 2010 signed by: Shaila

Whether or not something I've made in my life that adds nothing to this event.
Decency, I have enough decency to see that this family has absolutely no decency, they think they are above everyone, wherever you are away, and you're talking about decency.
Or find their antisocial behavior learned in the media shows have the decency??
I do not fact, and I am not talking about the Holloway case.
Purely and simply about their behavior.

snip

[Rob]

ok - just one more after this one... I've been disruptive enough

[texasmom]

Rob!   


 

[Rob]

Natalee - you are always in my heart 

[Buckeye]

Found this a bit interesting.  Posted 2/12/2010 on an Aruban BB:

FROM CHARLES CROES

The truth is so often either close to the heart or residing in it.
Imagine to be given the simplest of all choices

Admit your child has sold his soul to the devil or that he is unfairly seen as that demon himself
Know that you will be your sons noose or that you will snug his tie on his wedding night
Admit that your first born lies to you or that his truths are lies he believes
What would your choice be?
And isn’t it strange that :
A kitten is stuck in a sewer and the world praises the fireman that saves him
A father saves his son and he walks in the sewer from which the kitten was saved.
The truth lies in our hearts and our hearts – so often – do not belong to us
Our hearts belong to those we love the most

And so when a father dies, so often does the truth of his son. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-croes-creations-commentaries-42596/


Well...if that kitten was sick with parvo or rabies...not only wouldn't the fireman have entered the sewer, it would have been blocked so the kitten couldn't harm any other animals or people.

At what expense was the son "saved"?  More were involved than he and his son. He was also saving himself, his wife and his middle son.  He was not naive.

[texasmom]

Article from March 2009

http://www.casinocity.nl/interview_joran_van_der_sloot_spreekt_over_poker-025300284710035.aspx

Interview: Joran van der Sloot speaks ... poker!


   

Date: (04-Mar-2009) - Casino City Editor
That Famous Dutch poker, we are now a little used to it. And we are happy: although their play often necessary to be desired, the personalities generate positive attention to our hobby ... and more attention, more players.

But a Dutch Infamous is known to stand as a poker player, that's less fun. If someone gives to the poker again into the seedy atmosphere of illegality, where our favorite hobby anyway so difficult to come from the mainstream media.

This person is Joran van der Sloot, known and notorious of the Holloway case and the associated transmissions extremely good views of Peter R. De Vries. Pokerde he was already known, but recently he dived back almost daily on the tournament tables of Party Poker. He scored early in February called "losing player" even an interesting result: in Party's $ 300K Guaranteed Sunday was fifth, accounted for $ 13,800. Poker City and then wrote about that result, we attracted the attention of an IP address from Bangkok, reportedly the current whereabouts of the 21-year-old delinquent.

It seemed time to the most famous poker player from the Netherlands once paces. Ascertaining the contact details of this figure had quite some doing earth - we now know how Peter R. De Vries feels! - But then you have some: Yesterday we got him at last on the line. This yielded the following conversation.



Joran?

That's me. Faka?

Um, yes. We wanted to you about your poker hobby.

Yes, I have seen yes. Piece on your site, found it all very negatively worded.

That surprises you?

No, no. Look, all I ask is that people keep an open mind a little, you know. Self-reflection and not everything that the media pour over them uncritically believe.

And the media do you mean mostly Peter R. de Vries?

So here we have not. Only poker please.

Forward: how long you play the game already?

Just thinking ... I think three years? I came to the casino, had of course heard. Ever done with my Mattie, but it was not Texas Hold'em. So I sat down there and was instantly hooked. That first night I won something from € 300. That was dirty, I really did not know what I did.

You know by now?

One of my Mattie played much online, since he also won quite a lot. They have some things explained to me then. That you must have such patience, and you really should think about what your opponent does. When I have occasionally read some forums and so on, especially about tournaments and how to deal with a small stack. Did my game really much better.

And then you play online?

That I was actually doing all right. The day after I had been in the casino, I told my size: I've played poker, online same version that you always do, and it is cool. Then we immediately created some accounts. On Party Poker, later on Full Tilt and Poker Stars.

According to the online tracking sites that did not immediately vigorously ...

No man! Look, that's an example of what not to believe everything you read. Sure I do not always win, but I have sometimes caught good prizes: visit every one thousand U.S. dollars here, five hundred over there. Went fine.

But lately, it really good?

Yeah look, I was busy with some other smoothing things, but this year I started again more active. More seriously too, not loesoe sit behind that thing, or do you know skaffa. That just does not work. So I was heavily focused. I grabbed one back late in January or something, and then there was the fifth course where you wrote about.

Well there you had a deal, and thus won more?

No, we do not deal were agreed. A guest wanted to play, I think he eventually won so he was right! But just so the thirteen grub, hard course.

And then some small fees here and there around $ 1000, it seems.

Exactly. But I do plan to each Sunday at least $ 215 that thing at Party Poker to play. Is a fun tournament last Sunday again thirtieth or so.

According to one of our readers can not log on from Bangkok Party.

Probably not. I have no problems with it. But I do not always play from Bangkok. I think I'll just Gassies not tell how and what, you know. f*** them, who were again heavy negative comments.

Was you wearing one who actually responded there?

No, but I think it was someone who knew me. Perhaps one of mattie here. He was right with his 'no award'. Really, that's it.

Do you play tournaments or even just cash?

Very little cash. Especially many major tournaments and sit & goes.



Find online better than live?

Well, in Netherlands at one point I could not really live longer play that I do not have to explain it? And I get too much shit online, since those pieces of paper which she had put my account name (pokerpro68of, AANOTILTKK, angryshark68 and Joran9. Red.). Gassies who ridicule me in the chat when I have a bad beat and so .

Live you have not proved as good poker faces to read?

Why do you say that? You're right though. Sometimes I think I know exactly what you have man. But then I'll often do next, haha.

I mean, Patrick van der Eem met you at the table and that you did not really through, so it proved.

Boy, just go t ... you expect just that. Such conjo, I will tell you one thing, you know, he can call things about me, anyone can call me on things, but how conjo dealing with women, well, I am in holy. Really bad conjo how women deal with.

UTG limp? Flatcallen from the big blind after an early position raise with three callers? If you go to actually not QQ. Pure abuse.

Ha, I guest you know but hear jokes. But I have said enough nou again. See you again. Latz.


And they hung on the Notorious Dutchman, before we could ask him what he would do with his profits, whether he now sees as a pro, how his own "negative" impact on the reputation of the poker world was (and to which he or why would please stop with maps). And: Joran was just 21, so he may WSOP play ... this year that he would dare, or he is afraid there really gelynched to be?

Well, almost daily AANOTILTKK is available at Party Poker. Are you happen to him at table? Ask him yourself and notify us!

snip (several comments follow the article)

[texasmom]

Found this a bit interesting.  Posted 2/12/2010 on an Aruban BB:

FROM CHARLES CROES

The truth is so often either close to the heart or residing in it.
Imagine to be given the simplest of all choices

Admit your child has sold his soul to the devil or that he is unfairly seen as that demon himself
Know that you will be your sons noose or that you will snug his tie on his wedding night
Admit that your first born lies to you or that his truths are lies he believes
What would your choice be?
And isn’t it strange that :
A kitten is stuck in a sewer and the world praises the fireman that saves him
A father saves his son and he walks in the sewer from which the kitten was saved.
The truth lies in our hearts and our hearts – so often – do not belong to us
Our hearts belong to those we love the most

And so when a father dies, so often does the truth of his son. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-croes-creations-commentaries-42596/


Well...if that kitten was sick with parvo or rabies...not only wouldn't the fireman have entered the sewer, it would have been blocked so the kitten couldn't harm any other animals or people.

At what expense was the son "saved"?  More were involved than he and his son. He was also saving himself, his wife and his middle son.  He was not naive.

Thanks Buckeye, I agree.

[sharon]

Found this a bit interesting.  Posted 2/12/2010 on an Aruban BB:

FROM CHARLES CROES

The truth is so often either close to the heart or residing in it.
Imagine to be given the simplest of all choices

Admit your child has sold his soul to the devil or that he is unfairly seen as that demon himself
Know that you will be your sons noose or that you will snug his tie on his wedding night
Admit that your first born lies to you or that his truths are lies he believes
What would your choice be?
And isn’t it strange that :
A kitten is stuck in a sewer and the world praises the fireman that saves him
A father saves his son and he walks in the sewer from which the kitten was saved.
The truth lies in our hearts and our hearts – so often – do not belong to us
Our hearts belong to those we love the most

And so when a father dies, so often does the truth of his son. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-croes-creations-commentaries-42596/


Well...if that kitten was sick with parvo or rabies...not only wouldn't the fireman have entered the sewer, it would have been blocked so the kitten couldn't harm any other animals or people.

At what expense was the son "saved"?  More were involved than he and his son. He was also saving himself, his wife and his middle son.  He was not naive.

Thanks for that Buckeye.

It appears that Charles Croes knows a lot about life in the sewer. NOT that I ever had a doubt that he did. 



AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones

[Rob]

Found this a bit interesting.  Posted 2/12/2010 on an Aruban BB:

FROM CHARLES CROES

The truth is so often either close to the heart or residing in it.
Imagine to be given the simplest of all choices

Admit your child has sold his soul to the devil or that he is unfairly seen as that demon himself
Know that you will be your sons noose or that you will snug his tie on his wedding night
Admit that your first born lies to you or that his truths are lies he believes
What would your choice be?
And isn’t it strange that :
A kitten is stuck in a sewer and the world praises the fireman that saves him
A father saves his son and he walks in the sewer from which the kitten was saved.
The truth lies in our hearts and our hearts – so often – do not belong to us
Our hearts belong to those we love the most

And so when a father dies, so often does the truth of his son. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-croes-creations-commentaries-42596/


Well...if that kitten was sick with parvo or rabies...not only wouldn't the fireman have entered the sewer, it would have been blocked so the kitten couldn't harm any other animals or people.

At what expense was the son "saved"?  More were involved than he and his son. He was also saving himself, his wife and his middle son.  He was not naive.

they have a very very strange way of relating to reality on that island - it's like another dimension or something - and there are some nuts like Drenga that seem to fit right in.

[San]

Found this a bit interesting.  Posted 2/12/2010 on an Aruban BB:

FROM CHARLES CROES

The truth is so often either close to the heart or residing in it.
Imagine to be given the simplest of all choices

Admit your child has sold his soul to the devil or that he is unfairly seen as that demon himself
Know that you will be your sons noose or that you will snug his tie on his wedding night
Admit that your first born lies to you or that his truths are lies he believes
What would your choice be?
And isn’t it strange that :
A kitten is stuck in a sewer and the world praises the fireman that saves him
A father saves his son and he walks in the sewer from which the kitten was saved.
The truth lies in our hearts and our hearts – so often – do not belong to us
Our hearts belong to those we love the most

And so when a father dies, so often does the truth of his son. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-croes-creations-commentaries-42596/


Well...if that kitten was sick with parvo or rabies...not only wouldn't the fireman have entered the sewer, it would have been blocked so the kitten couldn't harm any other animals or people.

At what expense was the son "saved"?  More were involved than he and his son. He was also saving himself, his wife and his middle son.  He was not naive.

So true Buckeye.

[Magnolia]

Found this a bit interesting.  Posted 2/12/2010 on an Aruban BB:

FROM CHARLES CROES

The truth is so often either close to the heart or residing in it.
Imagine to be given the simplest of all choices

Admit your child has sold his soul to the devil or that he is unfairly seen as that demon himself
Know that you will be your sons noose or that you will snug his tie on his wedding night
Admit that your first born lies to you or that his truths are lies he believes
What would your choice be?
And isn’t it strange that :
A kitten is stuck in a sewer and the world praises the fireman that saves him
A father saves his son and he walks in the sewer from which the kitten was saved.
The truth lies in our hearts and our hearts – so often – do not belong to us
Our hearts belong to those we love the most

And so when a father dies, so often does the truth of his son. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-croes-creations-commentaries-42596/


Well...if that kitten was sick with parvo or rabies...not only wouldn't the fireman have entered the sewer, it would have been blocked so the kitten couldn't harm any other animals or people.

At what expense was the son "saved"?  More were involved than he and his son. He was also saving himself, his wife and his middle son.  He was not naive.

they have a very very strange way of relating to reality on that island - it's like another dimension or something - and there are some nuts like Drenga that seem to fit right in.

It's the booze and drugs....makes reality take a back seat.

[klaasend]

A recording between Joran and his father:

[Rob]

A recording between Joran and his father:

just shakes my head 

thanks for that Klaas

[Rob]

Paulus was pure evil. How anyone can say he was a good person and will be sadly missed completely beyond me.

And how desperate was Anita - good God in the goose grease. 

[Ono]

I don't know if I like "sweatyrunning man" or the "Boxtelse Bastard" better 

From the article Texasmom posted:

   I choose the latter ... lol

[Ono]

ok - just one more after this one... I've been disruptive enough

 

[Ono]

It's hard to believe that in three months it will be five years since this nightmare began.