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« Reply #580 on: February 16, 2010, 08:44:49 PM »

Meant to add that I am bumping this forward for any night crew monkeys, the link to witness statement.

But I am watching the new episode of NCIS and forgot to say why.
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« Reply #581 on: February 16, 2010, 08:46:15 PM »










I don't exactly remember the story behind this photo - but I seem to recall the chicken was accepting an award from the government. So I saved it    I love how he stands attention and is ready to get his certificate.
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« Reply #582 on: February 16, 2010, 08:46:31 PM »

My personal opinion is that Natalee was never in in that pond. van der Straaten only released certain cell phone triangulation points and not all of them. He released ones that placed Joran near the Holiday Inn and the other hotels to bolster the claim that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel - and also to take the focus away from the Sloot house. I am certain he excluded the Sloot house because Joran's PV includes the stop there at 1:40 am. One way this works, is Joran is dropped off over in this area to make his way to McDonald's where Paulus is waiting to pick him up and witnessed by the MB kids and others.

I also do not believe the gardener saw them and when his story is removed everything fits like a glove time-line wise. It is most likely - in my opinion - that Natalee died at the Sloot house, was taken from the house directly to the Malmok / Arashi area and disposed of by boat. This makes the most sense based on Deepak's "I got out to take a pee at Arashi" and the fact that the trap was found of the coast of Arashi beach.

I could add other points, but it's redundant.
 

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« Reply #583 on: February 16, 2010, 08:55:11 PM »

I'm not into the political stuff....but would relatives active in the CDA in Holland have been able to help the Van der Sloots?

I've been doing some research, and I'm building a post...and this is where it's brought me.

I just wasn't sure how interested I should be in it.

TIA


 


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #584 on: February 16, 2010, 08:55:29 PM »

I miss The Big Hammer:

Statement Issued On Radio Netherlands Worldwide

Police head hindered Holloway investigation


Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC

The Aruban Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has told the ANP news agency that the investigation into the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway was severely hindered in its initial stages by the island’s Dutch police commissioner. Mr Croes said former commissioner Jan van de Straten did this to help his friend Paul van der Sloot, the father of the chief suspect in the US high school graduate’s disappearance.

Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

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Very clear and unmistakeable accusation here, provided with corroborated attribution and pointing directly to a named individual -- in this case former Aruba polis chief Jan van der Stratten.

This represents REAL movement in this case, and should leave door open for charges which we have talked about here for years:

Obstruction of Justice
Failure to Perform
Police and Judicial Misconduct.

With a statement like this out there now, it appears that an investigation into a coverup MUST be done.

See the link to Greta wire (if this has been posted earlier -- apologies).

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

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« Reply #585 on: February 16, 2010, 08:58:36 PM »

My personal opinion is that Natalee was never in in that pond. van der Straaten only released certain cell phone triangulation points and not all of them. He released ones that placed Joran near the Holiday Inn and the other hotels to bolster the claim that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel - and also to take the focus away from the Sloot house. I am certain he excluded the Sloot house because Joran's PV includes the stop there at 1:40 am. One way this works, is Joran is dropped off over in this area to make his way to McDonald's where Paulus is waiting to pick him up and witnessed by the MB kids and others.

I also do not believe the gardener saw them and when his story is removed everything fits like a glove time-line wise. It is most likely - in my opinion - that Natalee died at the Sloot house, was taken from the house directly to the Malmok / Arashi area and disposed of by boat. This makes the most sense based on Deepak's "I got out to take a pee at Arashi" and the fact that the trap was found of the coast of Arashi beach.

I could add other points, but it's redundant.

 
  Great post, Rob.  I too have always felt that Natalee died at the Sloot's house. 

I have always thought the Sloot house was the place also.
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« Reply #586 on: February 16, 2010, 09:07:29 PM »

I'm not into the political stuff....but would relatives active in the CDA in Holland have been able to help the Van der Sloots?

I've been doing some research, and I'm building a post...and this is where it's brought me.

I just wasn't sure how interested I should be in it.

TIA


 





What is the CDA?   Connections always help. IMO
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« Reply #587 on: February 16, 2010, 09:23:36 PM »

I'm not into the political stuff....but would relatives active in the CDA in Holland have been able to help the Van der Sloots?

I've been doing some research, and I'm building a post...and this is where it's brought me.

I just wasn't sure how interested I should be in it.

TIA


 





What is the CDA?   Connections always help. IMO

If this is the right info, I think it could be important.  jmo   

But I really don't know.   

Where's caesu!   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Appeal

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The Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA) (Dutch: Christen Democratisch Appèl) is a center-right Dutch Christian democratic political party. The party is currently the biggest coalition partner in the fourth Balkenende cabinet.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #588 on: February 16, 2010, 09:31:32 PM »

I'm not into the political stuff....but would relatives active in the CDA in Holland have been able to help the Van der Sloots?

I've been doing some research, and I'm building a post...and this is where it's brought me.

I just wasn't sure how interested I should be in it.

TIA


 





What is the CDA?   Connections always help. IMO

If this is the right info, I think it could be important.  jmo   

But I really don't know.   

Where's caesu!   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Appeal

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The Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA) (Dutch: Christen Democratisch Appèl) is a center-right Dutch Christian democratic political party. The party is currently the biggest coalition partner in the fourth Balkenende cabinet.

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Didn't Paulus have a brother that was an elected official in one of those political groups?
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« Reply #589 on: February 16, 2010, 09:40:58 PM »

I'm not into the political stuff....but would relatives active in the CDA in Holland have been able to help the Van der Sloots?

I've been doing some research, and I'm building a post...and this is where it's brought me.

I just wasn't sure how interested I should be in it.

TIA


 





What is the CDA?   Connections always help. IMO

If this is the right info, I think it could be important.  jmo   

But I really don't know.   

Where's caesu!   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Appeal

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The Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA) (Dutch: Christen Democratisch Appèl) is a center-right Dutch Christian democratic political party. The party is currently the biggest coalition partner in the fourth Balkenende cabinet.

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Didn't Paulus have a brother that was an elected official in one of those political groups?

I remembered some information on a Marco iirc that was in a political party.

But this one's not him, and it's not the same party.



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #590 on: February 16, 2010, 10:16:54 PM »

Here's what I have so far.

How common is the name "Toon Van der Sloot"?

Remember the missionary Van der Sloot that I posted about earlier...

I missed this when I read it the first time but it seems he may be a cousin to Paul Van der Sloot.

http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/oud_archief_2010/nieuws/1003_sloot.htm

Google translation:

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The missionary, who last year spent in Boxtel to a reunion of the family Van der Sloot to attend, is from Port-au-Prince announced that the city is a huge need for medication. ,, That we thus raise funds and ensure that the very poorest inhabitants of the city can be helped, "says Toon van der Sloot. His cousin in Haiti has always fought for the people who have nothing. ,, Besides helping disadvantaged young brothers managed the sister of Theresa in Port-au-Prince a kind of hospice, which also the poorest area was worthy to die. "

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http://katholieknederland.nl/actualiteit/2010/detail_objectID701852_FJaar2010.html

Family Boxtelse missionary starts action for Haiti

Hilversum (AFP) January 26, 2010 - Relatives of a Dutch missionary in Haiti have launched a fundraising benefit for the relief of their religious related.

Earthquake survivors
The 79-year old Kees van der Sloot from Boxtel brother is in the Mission Aires de la Charite, the male branch of the congregation founded by Mother Teresa. Brother Kees is about 12 years among the poorest in the Haitian capital Port-au-Prince. He and his three brothers survived the earthquake of January 12.

Medications
The family Van der Sloot in Brabant, the U.S. and Canada from Brother Kees has been told that in Port-au-Prince an urgent need for medication. "We go there now to collect money," said Toon van der Sloot in Liempde, a cousin of Brother Mike.



Brother Kees and his hospice nurse (photo: Fam. Van der Sloot)

Corruption
"How we can get the drugs to Haiti, is a problem. Meanwhile we have had contact with the Dutch Consul-General Rob Padberg and the order of Mother Teresa in Miami, "said Toon van der Sloot katholieknederland.nl opposite. "Corruption is a major problem in Haiti. By supporting our cousin, we can be sure that the medicines reach the people who need it most. "

Bangladesh
Van der Sloot began his career in Kenya as a missionary brother in the White Fathers. Then he was sent to Bangladesh. After the famine in that country, he became a spiritual crisis. That he came up with the help of the Benedictine Achelse Safe. Then he joined Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity. First he worked in Sicily, then in Mexico and then in Haiti.

Street Youth and dying
The Missionaries of Charity in Haiti working among street kids and managing a hospice, where she poorest a decent chance of dying.

Who the missionary work of Kees van der Sloot to support a monetary amount to account number 13.36.65.941 in the name of A. van der Sloot stating "Brother Kees, Haiti.

A fundraiser: http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/nieuws/1005_angela.htm
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http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/224/BINNENLAND/article/detail/279008/2010/02/11/Vader-Joran-van-der-Sloot-overleden.dhtml

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Paul''has never had heart problems. We still had much contact, so I know he did a lot of sports, many tennis and running, where the warmth of Aruba that could,''said his brother Toon van der Sloot in Boxtel. The tennis court was an integral part of Paul's social life in Aruba.

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Betsie Van der Sloot is married to Toon and they have a daughter Marianne.

http://www.boxtel.nl/bvandersloot.php

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Who Betsie van der Sloot?

Betsie van der Sloot has since 2002 member of the council for the CDA. From 1999 to 2002 she joined the then Public Works and Transportation Committee.

Contact

Address
Old Highway 14
5298 MC Liempde
(0411) 63 15 03
Fax: (0411) 63 31 86

Website
http://boxtel-liempde.cda.nl

E-mail?
toon@vandersloot.demon.nl

My Mission
I like my board membership to make a contribution to a local community in which every citizen, young or old, foreign or native to fully develop.

In politics, I was early familiar. Both my father and my sister were councilor. My husband is 17 years as chairman of CDA was Boxtel. Our daughter Marianne is politically active as member of the CDA Group in the city of Nijmegen. In 2006 I re-elected by preferential voting. I do the board work with pleasure. In the group I am in charge of the Social Affairs portfolio, which education, sports, Social Support Act, disability, inclusion, elderly, youth and youth belong.

Co binding to and touch with the people I represent, I present my next executive board membership as an active volunteer in the health, sustainability, integration and for the district Selissen. I am chairman of the Local Agenda 21, from which projects or activities are designed with sustainability Boxtelse citizens. So go now launched a campaign against litter. In the context of social sustainability is the Taste of Boxtel a very successful project. Previously I was chairman Selissenwal Foundation Community School where we had to ensure the implementation of the Project together parallel. This project has been a drop in the buurtsport including work, social and children's work contact the parents.

My background
I was born in 1950 in Dinther. After my education at the Pedagogical College in Uden 11 years I have enjoyed in the classroom for an elementary school stood. During this period I have been deployed at the administrative level for the community of Forest Bosch. I also when many courses and activities led to the Catholic Women Organization (KVO) both local, regional and provincial. After my marriage to Toon van der Sloot and the birth of our daughter Marianne, I quit my job. My activities for women's organizations I then greatly expanded. From 1992 to 2000, I include national president of the Catholic Rural Netherlands with over 50,000 members.

I live on the border between Boxtel and Liempde. I find relaxation by working in our flower and vegetable garden. I also cook very much. I am also a member of Women's Organizations 2: KVO and KVG.

Member of Committee
Social Affairs
Other Features
President Local Agenda 21
Member of the Client of Jeroen Bosch Ziekenhuis
Member of the Supervisory Board of Vivent (home care) 's-Hertogenbosch and surrounding
Member of the advocacy committee for the national women's organization
Member of the Dutch Organization for Volunteers (NOV)
member of KVO
Member of KVG


http://marianne2703.hyves.nl/

http://s-hertogenbosch.old.cda.nl/marianne+van+der+sloot.aspx?language=en-US



Candidates   
   
01. Jan-Hein van Beers
02. Marianne van der Sloot
03. Ben Wagemakers
04. Ingrid van Asseldonk
05. Olaf Thelissen
06. January Brouwers
07. Jetty Eugster
08. David Duren
09. Paul Procee
10. Freek van Genugten


Marianne van der Sloot   
   
's-Hertogenbosch (Center)
Occupation: Advisor for the public sector
Age: 27

With great pleasure I live in 's-Hertogenbosch Our city is great and wonderful life. But there must also be worked to the city, right now!

That I would like for you to do as a member of the Municipal Bossche. Previously I have 8 years experience as a councilor in Nijmegen.

There are 3 subjects that I am:

Safety: The local bobby back in every neighborhood;
Care and Welfare: No cuts in health and welfare;
Investing: Just invest in the crisis, which also provides internships and jobs.
Together with you I want to provide a strong 's-Hertogenbosch. A city with much history, but particularly future.

Rate: March 3 CDA.
Rate: number 2 on list 3.
Rate: Marianne van der Sloot!

I'm sure!





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http://www.brabantscentrum.info/oud_archief_2009/nieuws/0916_arnoldus.htm

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April 16, 2009

FANFARE celebrates sixtieth anniversary
Saint Arnold: musical heart of Lennisheuvel




ON THE PHOTO: The doyen of the old brass band still blowing into their game: Toon van der Sloot on trombone, Toon van der Linden on bass and Marinus Verhagen on saxophone. Resting member Hilda van Helvoort listen to the trio. (Photo: Albert Stolwijk).

BY HENK VAN WEERT

"In Lennisheuvel no initiative is a long life. That was always told by the people. With our band we've proven guilty ", Toon van der Linden called bassist and trombonist Toon van der Sloot in chorus. The pair was sixty years ago, also at the birth of St. Arnoldus fanfare. Together with saxophonist Marinus Verhagen, who is a member fifty years, they honored next weekend. Truus van Helvoort drummer is retired and celebrates its silver jubilee.

The four anniversaries are Saturday 25 and Sunday, April 26 in the center of attention in the festival weekend when St-Arnold celebrates the sixtieth anniversary. There is a significant anniversary program which made the reunion concert should be the highlight. Eighteen former members of the brass band percussionists and fourteen in recent weeks after years of absence the way back to the community found Orion, Lennisheuvelse where the band rehearses weekly since its creation.

Father Jan van de Ven, also known as Father Pancras, is the founder, recalls Van der Linden (79) itself. The one years younger Van der Sloot nods: "There was then a youth club in Lennisheuvel active, but the enthusiasm had them back. The father, a Assumptionist of Stack, the group tried literally and figuratively new impetus through the purchase of a second musical number. "

The two diamond anniversaries were neither members of the youth club, but let themselves be seen as the father of the instruments, which cost seven hundred guilders, uitstalde on the floor in Orion. ,, Sjef van den Braak from Boxtel, under conductor of Boxtel's Harmony and later conductor with several other bands in the area, was hired by the Father to give music lessons to come. He shared the tools, "says Van der Linden. He continues: "I so hoped that I would get the bass. I've always found a wonderful tool and I was happy actually allocated. "

It was not the instrument that currently plays Van der Linden: "No, a far more modest sample. A small ringbas, the kind once used by the then Corps Cyclists Music of the Dutch army. "" And I got a trombone with valves. The trombone was nothing but the conductor. "Never get consonant", was his opinion, "chuckles Van der Sloot, who like Van der Linden still are playing his game in the wind ensemble. The bass player is temporarily disabled due to surgery: 'Unfortunately I can not therefore participate in the anniversary concert. "

HEARING TEST

Verhagen joined ten years later to St. Arnold. Born in Oirschot he married a Lennisheuvelse. During a visit to the only pub in the village, the current pub The Troll, he was persuaded to come along to play. "It was after a rehearsal. The musicians sat there and drank a beer together. She drew the conductor on the new resident of the village and Van den Braak appealed to me. Spot a hearing test was conducted to find out whether I had musical talent. He filled some glasses with different amounts of water. I had to turn around and call or a tone higher or lower as the conductor tapped out. "Laughing:" I succeeded brilliantly, but knocked it all or do not know. I had everything I cried, when she again had a new member in ... "
The three nestors Lennisheuvelse of the band have an impressive track record built up. Together they sat for decades in the government, which Verhagen long functioned as treasurer. The guidance of new students was in good hands with him. Two years ago he was at the ribbon rain for his merits appointed to the Order of Orange-Nassau. Van der Sloot manages all thirty years of music and ensure that each member gets a lot like a new concert work at the desk is. The intake of sheet music he takes on his behalf. "A lot of meticulous design that takes time."

Van der Linden sat like many other members often in the rehearsal room to the changing demands of the time to modernize. The hydraulic mechanism with a height-adjustable stage he is a gem. ,, Conceived and executed by the musicians themselves, a showpiece, "he beams. He also recalls that in the fifties of the last century the bandstand on the Market Boxtelse stood by the band members was dismantled and then re Lennisheuvel was built and renovated. ,, Self-motivation in our society is of paramount importance. "

WOMEN

Van Helvoort (60) says sorry to find that the drum band no longer exists. "Because a lack of members. During the reunion concert enter the drum corps at once. Despite my rheumatism I play too. But music is really active week for me since one years or ten already no longer. Very unfortunate because it was very fun to do. Hopefully it again if ever again a percussion group that can be formed. "
Van Helvoort would actually have more than forty years a member of the band have been late seventies when they do not break for several years had been. "My father, Dorus van Kempen, used tambour-maître, so it was obvious at some point that I and my sister joined." Van der Sloot nods: "Yes, because we had enough guys in Lennisheuvel and a band of men to keep the leg. So soon after the establishment were girls allowed. That was a unique time in the music. "

FESTIVAL PROGRAM

Fanfare Sint-Arnoldus festival celebrates the diamond this year with various activities. The anniversary weekend next week there is only one. In Orion community are celebrating anniversaries of Friday, April 24 and runs an internal social evening for members of rubble.
Saturday April 25, all children Lennisheuvel participate in a percussion workshop and then keep the board of a fanfare reception. evening is the reunion concert staple. Sunday, April 26 animates the fanfare in the Eucharist at St. Theresa Church. At noon, a talent which many participants have already registered. The festival program from hour to hour is published next week in Brabant Center.

In June the two harmonies provide a summer evening concert in Lennisheuvel and congratulate their sister club. In October concert is a musical staple in the Tijberzaal and the sixtieth anniversary in December ended with a special Christmas concert, with St. Arnold acting with all the associations which the musical conductor Peter Spierings charge.

More on this:  http://www.fanfare-sintarnoldus.nl/60_jaar.html

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #591 on: February 16, 2010, 10:19:18 PM »

I'm not into the political stuff....but would relatives active in the CDA in Holland have been able to help the Van der Sloots?

I've been doing some research, and I'm building a post...and this is where it's brought me.

I just wasn't sure how interested I should be in it.

TIA


 





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I think you are onto something.  A few days ago Toon (Paulus' brother) van der Sloot's name came up.  I did a search on him at the time.  Seems he is married to a Betsie van der Sloot.
On a Dutch site her bio is listed.  It is very interesting.  Toon is/was active in CDA as is she.
I had to translate the pg via Google.  However, I cannot copy/paste the page.  So I made this tinyurl of the translated page, and hope it works.  Here is the link:
                               http://tinyurl.com/ykvqg9u

I could not believe it when I read Paulus died!  First thought was OMG!  Guess I am with the group of "low-class" posters.  I only hope his death is the beginning of the "great unraveling" of what happened to Natalee, and they all go down.  So nice to see so many old posters back!
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« Reply #592 on: February 16, 2010, 10:21:53 PM »

Liempde‎
Liempde is a village in the Netherlands in the municipality Boxtel. Annually the Flevo Christian music festival is held here. In 2005 the event What the Hack took place in Liempde. Liempde is situated in the center of the Dutch province North ... - Wikipedia



Edit:  Add link to post per texasmom.  MB:

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #593 on: February 16, 2010, 10:23:46 PM »

Link to my last post!   

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&source=hp&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Liempde%2BBoxtel&fb=1&gl=us&ftid=0x47c6e7e56925cfed:0x500de5a8d1eb880&ei=QWB7S4DcMs6-lAfWl7y0BQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

Why can't I remember it before I press post?    

Fixed.  That's why most of the time I put the link in my post first, instead of last. (and at least you provide a link     MB
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« Reply #594 on: February 16, 2010, 10:26:33 PM »

I'm not into the political stuff....but would relatives active in the CDA in Holland have been able to help the Van der Sloots?

I've been doing some research, and I'm building a post...and this is where it's brought me.

I just wasn't sure how interested I should be in it.

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I think you are onto something.  A few days ago Toon (Paulus' brother) van der Sloot's name came up.  I did a search on him at the time.  Seems he is married to a Betsie van der Sloot.
On a Dutch site her bio is listed.  It is very interesting.  Toon is/was active in CDA as is she.
I had to translate the pg via Google.  However, I cannot copy/paste the page.  So I made this tinyurl of the translated page, and hope it works.  Here is the link:
                               http://tinyurl.com/ykvqg9u

I could not believe it when I read Paulus died!  First thought was OMG!  Guess I am with the group of "low-class" posters.  I only hope his death is the beginning of the "great unraveling" of what happened to Natalee, and they all go down.  So nice to see so many old posters back!

Hi Nomad!  Thanks!

Someone else posted about Betsie the other day too.  I was off into so many things I didn't really study it closely.  But after I'd seen Toon's name as Paul's brother in one of the articles I wanted to see what I could find about him.  And it led me to Betsie and to Marianne, and the brass band of course.

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« Reply #595 on: February 16, 2010, 10:28:15 PM »

Here's what I have so far.

How common is the name "Toon Van der Sloot"?

Remember the missionary Van der Sloot that I posted about earlier...

I missed this when I read it the first time but it seems he may be a cousin to Paul Van der Sloot.

http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/oud_archief_2010/nieuws/1003_sloot.htm

Google translation:

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The missionary, who last year spent in Boxtel to a reunion of the family Van der Sloot to attend, is from Port-au-Prince announced that the city is a huge need for medication. ,, That we thus raise funds and ensure that the very poorest inhabitants of the city can be helped, "says Toon van der Sloot. His cousin in Haiti has always fought for the people who have nothing. ,, Besides helping disadvantaged young brothers managed the sister of Theresa in Port-au-Prince a kind of hospice, which also the poorest area was worthy to die. "

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http://katholieknederland.nl/actualiteit/2010/detail_objectID701852_FJaar2010.html

Family Boxtelse missionary starts action for Haiti

Hilversum (AFP) January 26, 2010 - Relatives of a Dutch missionary in Haiti have launched a fundraising benefit for the relief of their religious related.

Earthquake survivors
The 79-year old Kees van der Sloot from Boxtel brother is in the Mission Aires de la Charite, the male branch of the congregation founded by Mother Teresa. Brother Kees is about 12 years among the poorest in the Haitian capital Port-au-Prince. He and his three brothers survived the earthquake of January 12.

Medications
The family Van der Sloot in Brabant, the U.S. and Canada from Brother Kees has been told that in Port-au-Prince an urgent need for medication. "We go there now to collect money," said Toon van der Sloot in Liempde, a cousin of Brother Mike.



Brother Kees and his hospice nurse (photo: Fam. Van der Sloot)

Corruption
"How we can get the drugs to Haiti, is a problem. Meanwhile we have had contact with the Dutch Consul-General Rob Padberg and the order of Mother Teresa in Miami, "said Toon van der Sloot katholieknederland.nl opposite. "Corruption is a major problem in Haiti. By supporting our cousin, we can be sure that the medicines reach the people who need it most. "

Bangladesh
Van der Sloot began his career in Kenya as a missionary brother in the White Fathers. Then he was sent to Bangladesh. After the famine in that country, he became a spiritual crisis. That he came up with the help of the Benedictine Achelse Safe. Then he joined Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity. First he worked in Sicily, then in Mexico and then in Haiti.

Street Youth and dying
The Missionaries of Charity in Haiti working among street kids and managing a hospice, where she poorest a decent chance of dying.

Who the missionary work of Kees van der Sloot to support a monetary amount to account number 13.36.65.941 in the name of A. van der Sloot stating "Brother Kees, Haiti.

A fundraiser: http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/nieuws/1005_angela.htm
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http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/224/BINNENLAND/article/detail/279008/2010/02/11/Vader-Joran-van-der-Sloot-overleden.dhtml

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Paul''has never had heart problems. We still had much contact, so I know he did a lot of sports, many tennis and running, where the warmth of Aruba that could,''said his brother Toon van der Sloot in Boxtel. The tennis court was an integral part of Paul's social life in Aruba.

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Betsie Van der Sloot is married to Toon and they have a daughter Marianne.

http://www.boxtel.nl/bvandersloot.php

Google translation:



Who Betsie van der Sloot?

Betsie van der Sloot has since 2002 member of the council for the CDA. From 1999 to 2002 she joined the then Public Works and Transportation Committee.

Contact

Address
Old Highway 14
5298 MC Liempde
(0411) 63 15 03
Fax: (0411) 63 31 86

Website
http://boxtel-liempde.cda.nl

E-mail?
toon@vandersloot.demon.nl

My Mission
I like my board membership to make a contribution to a local community in which every citizen, young or old, foreign or native to fully develop.

In politics, I was early familiar. Both my father and my sister were councilor. My husband is 17 years as chairman of CDA was Boxtel. Our daughter Marianne is politically active as member of the CDA Group in the city of Nijmegen. In 2006 I re-elected by preferential voting. I do the board work with pleasure. In the group I am in charge of the Social Affairs portfolio, which education, sports, Social Support Act, disability, inclusion, elderly, youth and youth belong.

Co binding to and touch with the people I represent, I present my next executive board membership as an active volunteer in the health, sustainability, integration and for the district Selissen. I am chairman of the Local Agenda 21, from which projects or activities are designed with sustainability Boxtelse citizens. So go now launched a campaign against litter. In the context of social sustainability is the Taste of Boxtel a very successful project. Previously I was chairman Selissenwal Foundation Community School where we had to ensure the implementation of the Project together parallel. This project has been a drop in the buurtsport including work, social and children's work contact the parents.

My background
I was born in 1950 in Dinther. After my education at the Pedagogical College in Uden 11 years I have enjoyed in the classroom for an elementary school stood. During this period I have been deployed at the administrative level for the community of Forest Bosch. I also when many courses and activities led to the Catholic Women Organization (KVO) both local, regional and provincial. After my marriage to Toon van der Sloot and the birth of our daughter Marianne, I quit my job. My activities for women's organizations I then greatly expanded. From 1992 to 2000, I include national president of the Catholic Rural Netherlands with over 50,000 members.

I live on the border between Boxtel and Liempde. I find relaxation by working in our flower and vegetable garden. I also cook very much. I am also a member of Women's Organizations 2: KVO and KVG.

Member of Committee
Social Affairs
Other Features
President Local Agenda 21
Member of the Client of Jeroen Bosch Ziekenhuis
Member of the Supervisory Board of Vivent (home care) 's-Hertogenbosch and surrounding
Member of the advocacy committee for the national women's organization
Member of the Dutch Organization for Volunteers (NOV)
member of KVO
Member of KVG


http://marianne2703.hyves.nl/

http://s-hertogenbosch.old.cda.nl/marianne+van+der+sloot.aspx?language=en-US



Candidates   
   
01. Jan-Hein van Beers
02. Marianne van der Sloot
03. Ben Wagemakers
04. Ingrid van Asseldonk
05. Olaf Thelissen
06. January Brouwers
07. Jetty Eugster
08. David Duren
09. Paul Procee
10. Freek van Genugten


Marianne van der Sloot   
   
's-Hertogenbosch (Center)
Occupation: Advisor for the public sector
Age: 27

With great pleasure I live in 's-Hertogenbosch Our city is great and wonderful life. But there must also be worked to the city, right now!

That I would like for you to do as a member of the Municipal Bossche. Previously I have 8 years experience as a councilor in Nijmegen.

There are 3 subjects that I am:

Safety: The local bobby back in every neighborhood;
Care and Welfare: No cuts in health and welfare;
Investing: Just invest in the crisis, which also provides internships and jobs.
Together with you I want to provide a strong 's-Hertogenbosch. A city with much history, but particularly future.

Rate: March 3 CDA.
Rate: number 2 on list 3.
Rate: Marianne van der Sloot!

I'm sure!





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http://www.brabantscentrum.info/oud_archief_2009/nieuws/0916_arnoldus.htm

Google translation:

April 16, 2009

FANFARE celebrates sixtieth anniversary
Saint Arnold: musical heart of Lennisheuvel




ON THE PHOTO: The doyen of the old brass band still blowing into their game: Toon van der Sloot on trombone, Toon van der Linden on bass and Marinus Verhagen on saxophone. Resting member Hilda van Helvoort listen to the trio. (Photo: Albert Stolwijk).

BY HENK VAN WEERT

"In Lennisheuvel no initiative is a long life. That was always told by the people. With our band we've proven guilty ", Toon van der Linden called bassist and trombonist Toon van der Sloot in chorus. The pair was sixty years ago, also at the birth of St. Arnoldus fanfare. Together with saxophonist Marinus Verhagen, who is a member fifty years, they honored next weekend. Truus van Helvoort drummer is retired and celebrates its silver jubilee.

The four anniversaries are Saturday 25 and Sunday, April 26 in the center of attention in the festival weekend when St-Arnold celebrates the sixtieth anniversary. There is a significant anniversary program which made the reunion concert should be the highlight. Eighteen former members of the brass band percussionists and fourteen in recent weeks after years of absence the way back to the community found Orion, Lennisheuvelse where the band rehearses weekly since its creation.

Father Jan van de Ven, also known as Father Pancras, is the founder, recalls Van der Linden (79) itself. The one years younger Van der Sloot nods: "There was then a youth club in Lennisheuvel active, but the enthusiasm had them back. The father, a Assumptionist of Stack, the group tried literally and figuratively new impetus through the purchase of a second musical number. "

The two diamond anniversaries were neither members of the youth club, but let themselves be seen as the father of the instruments, which cost seven hundred guilders, uitstalde on the floor in Orion. ,, Sjef van den Braak from Boxtel, under conductor of Boxtel's Harmony and later conductor with several other bands in the area, was hired by the Father to give music lessons to come. He shared the tools, "says Van der Linden. He continues: "I so hoped that I would get the bass. I've always found a wonderful tool and I was happy actually allocated. "

It was not the instrument that currently plays Van der Linden: "No, a far more modest sample. A small ringbas, the kind once used by the then Corps Cyclists Music of the Dutch army. "" And I got a trombone with valves. The trombone was nothing but the conductor. "Never get consonant", was his opinion, "chuckles Van der Sloot, who like Van der Linden still are playing his game in the wind ensemble. The bass player is temporarily disabled due to surgery: 'Unfortunately I can not therefore participate in the anniversary concert. "

HEARING TEST

Verhagen joined ten years later to St. Arnold. Born in Oirschot he married a Lennisheuvelse. During a visit to the only pub in the village, the current pub The Troll, he was persuaded to come along to play. "It was after a rehearsal. The musicians sat there and drank a beer together. She drew the conductor on the new resident of the village and Van den Braak appealed to me. Spot a hearing test was conducted to find out whether I had musical talent. He filled some glasses with different amounts of water. I had to turn around and call or a tone higher or lower as the conductor tapped out. "Laughing:" I succeeded brilliantly, but knocked it all or do not know. I had everything I cried, when she again had a new member in ... "
The three nestors Lennisheuvelse of the band have an impressive track record built up. Together they sat for decades in the government, which Verhagen long functioned as treasurer. The guidance of new students was in good hands with him. Two years ago he was at the ribbon rain for his merits appointed to the Order of Orange-Nassau. Van der Sloot manages all thirty years of music and ensure that each member gets a lot like a new concert work at the desk is. The intake of sheet music he takes on his behalf. "A lot of meticulous design that takes time."

Van der Linden sat like many other members often in the rehearsal room to the changing demands of the time to modernize. The hydraulic mechanism with a height-adjustable stage he is a gem. ,, Conceived and executed by the musicians themselves, a showpiece, "he beams. He also recalls that in the fifties of the last century the bandstand on the Market Boxtelse stood by the band members was dismantled and then re Lennisheuvel was built and renovated. ,, Self-motivation in our society is of paramount importance. "

WOMEN

Van Helvoort (60) says sorry to find that the drum band no longer exists. "Because a lack of members. During the reunion concert enter the drum corps at once. Despite my rheumatism I play too. But music is really active week for me since one years or ten already no longer. Very unfortunate because it was very fun to do. Hopefully it again if ever again a percussion group that can be formed. "
Van Helvoort would actually have more than forty years a member of the band have been late seventies when they do not break for several years had been. "My father, Dorus van Kempen, used tambour-maître, so it was obvious at some point that I and my sister joined." Van der Sloot nods: "Yes, because we had enough guys in Lennisheuvel and a band of men to keep the leg. So soon after the establishment were girls allowed. That was a unique time in the music. "

FESTIVAL PROGRAM

Fanfare Sint-Arnoldus festival celebrates the diamond this year with various activities. The anniversary weekend next week there is only one. In Orion community are celebrating anniversaries of Friday, April 24 and runs an internal social evening for members of rubble.
Saturday April 25, all children Lennisheuvel participate in a percussion workshop and then keep the board of a fanfare reception. evening is the reunion concert staple. Sunday, April 26 animates the fanfare in the Eucharist at St. Theresa Church. At noon, a talent which many participants have already registered. The festival program from hour to hour is published next week in Brabant Center.

In June the two harmonies provide a summer evening concert in Lennisheuvel and congratulate their sister club. In October concert is a musical staple in the Tijberzaal and the sixtieth anniversary in December ended with a special Christmas concert, with St. Arnold acting with all the associations which the musical conductor Peter Spierings charge.

More on this:  http://www.fanfare-sintarnoldus.nl/60_jaar.html




       

You are good!  The article on Betsie is the one I linked to.  Now back to the 
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« Reply #596 on: February 16, 2010, 10:36:35 PM »

http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/

OWN PLACE EXTRA Billboard
Election signs are too small in Boxtel






ON THE PHOTO: The CDA council Betsie van der Sloot and Jo were Custers Wednesday February 10 on the road to election posters to paste. In Boxtel East proved all the posters covered with a layer of posters of events like Soundgarden and Trance Energy. (Photo: Albert Stolwijk).

BY MARC CLEUTJENS

Problem! The public billboards in Boxtel are too small to posters of ten political parties that participate in the Wednesday, March 3 municipal elections. Furthermore, some parties use such large posters that stick shifts now only respond missing out. Mayor Frank van Beers is working on a solution ...

Lijsttrekker Wim van der Zanden of Balance went this week to call on small billboards and complained to Mayor Van Beers on other parties in his eyes using large posters. According to Van der Zanden, the parties ever agreed not to use posters bigger than A2 size. "Now hang posters of that great and there are even two or three parties of that whopper side stick." Other parties have already complained to the mayor.

De Beers recognizes the problem and notes that the billboards in Boxtel too small for ten parties. To quickly relieve the emergency, the Public Works Department in the short term a large number of additional political parties to place signs to give more room. In addition, the mayor in consultation with all political groups view Boxtel or perhaps putting up posters on lampposts should allow. "I would like best to talk because all those posters in the street clearly show that the elections are coming."

Meanwhile De Beers urges all parties to adhere to the (unwritten) rules and stick to take account of the posters and posters of other groups. ,, Just paste a poster and the problem has been alleviated. "De Beers has three weeks before the election campaign the hands full with riots. This week he carried Combinatie95 on all plates and dolls from the town pond to get as municipal property not be used for political propaganda.

In one of the billboards in East Boxtel solved the problem this week automatically. Organizers of the sign taped music events filled with life-size posters. All election posters were Boxtelse it disappeared from view ...



February 11, 2010

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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Klaas,
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« Reply #599 on: February 16, 2010, 11:10:13 PM »

http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/oud_archief_2004/nieuws/0427_1986.htm

Google translation:

BOXTEL START INSTANCE OF NEVER COMPLETED BY ACCESSING
"Southern Main road was a tactical miscalculation '




ON THE PHOTO: December 1987: another fatal accident involving a truck in the center of the town, no longer picks Boxtel and utters a final cry to the heavy traffic from the town center to be banished. The heart of Boxtel over crowded with trucks.

"An Echternach Procession '. So typical of former Mayor Paul Pesch Boxtel of the years of litigation, with more steps forward and back, a Southern highway through the area to build Forest Field. A plan that ultimately failed by the protests of residents of the Eindhovenseweg Liempdseweg and so far as that part of road had to be broken. Was eventually chosen for the current Keulsebaan, with a wider arc to the business Boxtel Ladonk the A2 motorway connecting.

End June 1986 Boxtelse contractor started the car with the locals then crossing Boseind the construction of the Southern Main road. The municipality of Boxtel believed to have enough paper to make an access road to and through Boseind a straight line connecting the Eindhovenseweg near the exit Liempdseweg.

The range of 741 meter for nearly two thirds could be achieved. The remainder of the required land was still owned by citizens, but the town did much to assist the court expropriation. The environmental concerns of the Green Heart Association were unfounded.

More than three months after Hans deputy mayor of Burlingame (PvdA) the street sign "Southern Main road 'under the sand away and had taken off action, a shock went through the Boxtelse community. The interest of the residents and Eindhovenseweg Liempdseweg - led by the brothers Peter and Paul van der Sloot - ordered cessation of work because the zoning has not been approved by the Crown. Petitions were hastily drawn up by entrepreneurs, school, traffic associations, unions and residents calling for the construction of the road but mainly to finish.

Of course, the province had given its approval for a road through the center of Forest Field Boxtel get rid of freight to and from Ladonk. But the objectors draw courage from a Royal Decree in 1976 that the Crown of the short route then a temporary access road referred to and rejected its expressed preference for a wider road with a curve - along the Tiny German - would run at Boxtel.

KB rattled

The Council of State agreed not to request the suspension of the bewonersgroep. The former mayor and his officials relieved Pesch came back from The Hague. A few days later, the first asphalt lying on the sand ready rotated. Hoped the town in June that the expropriation of land required would be completed before the year 1986 was ended, the pilot did not.

Although Minister Ed Nijpels sake, and the town with a so-called contrarian Royal Decree also paved the way for the first part of the Southern Main road to complete, the objectors challenged the decision of the minister. "Of course we were happy with Nijpels' consent, but fair to say that the KB contraire all around rattled. It surprised me that the expropriation of the objectors in the court equated ", looks back Pesch.

In 1992 it was decided to built half way back to break and yet but a journey to the north of the German line to choose. Pesch was already succeeded by Ton Rombouts. The Keulsebaan in 1995 was inaugurated by Minister Annemarie Jorritsma.

POLITICAL CHOICE

In the eighteen years (1971-1989) he was mayor of Boxtel, was the construction of a southern access road and running through Pesch 'career. 'The route through the Forest Field (Boseind-Liempdseweg - ed) was a legacy of my great predecessor, Martien van Helvoort. They wanted a temporary road construction, in anticipation of a new provincial road Tilburg, Oisterwijk, Boxtel, with a wide arc to the south side of Boxtel had come, "says Pesch.

Despite the Royal Decree of 1976 killed a damning indictment on this route, the policy nevertheless decided to continue. The former mayor can still remember why that choice is made.

,, This decision was motivated by the desire of the then Labor Kallen Alderman Louis to the south side of Boxtel (near Liempdseweg) to designate as future plans new. By a way to build from the Boseind Eindhovenseweg Liempdseweg and through to the A2 highway, would not only be a good opening for business Ladonk arise, but also some new residential area, "said Pesch. He stressed that a political choice was not rational. "I think the Forest Field area by the Royal Decree of 1976 much has been contaminated."

SOLITUDE

Was it not been for the better half to reverse than to get to wander? In retrospect Pesch answered that question with a resounding yes. "It was a tactical miscalculation." But he points out that this choice then privately by the college several times been considered, but there never publicly by B. W. and discussed. "There was of course very much in This means investing in time and money. The public and employers were constantly on the skin to quickly get away anyway. "

The ever-changing composition of successive colleges Pesch was as a lawyer with the file 'Southern Main road "saddled. It has drawn heavily on him. Especially during protests. "I still see how middle class within a coffin bore the hall after the freight traffic in the town center again a victim had demanded. At those times I felt alone. From the council and the community, I rarely if ever effective support. "

No resentment

Of resentment or grudge against the objectors is no Pesch. "I do have trouble with my eyes shot by legal citizens. But bewonersgroep Eindhovenseweg-Liempdseweg has a very good job and sometimes had better arguments than the town. Although our opinions have also clashed with meetings of Adriaan Abeelen, president of the environmental organization Green Heart, never led to unpleasantness. "

The 80-year-old mayor admits that the perils to Boxtel the southern access road to help him much pain and sorrow have worried. ,, But the memories of my time is not overshadowed. "

What happened in 1986:

Gemonde runs hot for restoration of the bells of Saint-Lambert.

Before the year ends, let the behemoths of 500 and 700 pounds is stirring again.

In Esch Black Sisters celebrate their fifty years working in local district nursing, nursery education and the elderly.

After eighteen years Mayor takes leave of Liempde Piet (PA) Smits.

Show Breugel of which shall temporarily, until shortly before the turn Daan Gerard Dels successor is appointed.

Construction of new homes in the neighborhood torn shirt, the parish Lennisheuvel greatly expanded.

In Boxtel plans are developed for new construction at Zandvliet.

The Guild Bond Harmony puts everything in order to participate in the national championship.

The orange flag should be returned later as professional musicians would have played.



ON THE PHOTO: For four months before Mayor Paul Pesch and his officials with a confidence building of the State Council in The Hague left, was deputy mayor of Hans Brummen Boseind to cope with the exhumation of the Southern Main road sign min or more already made the start with the construction of the route through the Forest Field. It was not yet complete all turn out different.
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