Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[klaasend]

For those that didn't catch it tonight, Stephs show podcast will be up either later tonight or tomorrow.  I want to hear Tim Miller talking about the male DNA myself, I missed that part.

[Magnolia]

Tim believes Natalee is in a container in the ocean because they didn't want to take the chance of her moving or floating away and there are still 140 targets to search. 

Tim says it's not over. 

not to be brash and hog all the posting here to myself... but what about the remains from the last trap - shouldn't that be concluded first? And what's the point of searching more targets if Natalee was already removed. Did Tim forget all this?

Tim didn't forget and went further than I have heard him go before about the find in the fish trap.
He said again that it looked like her clothing and all and he had pictures.  But then he said that the
Aruban's said that the body was male.....didn't sound like he was convinced.

[texasmom]

Did Tim say that they said the DNA, in the trap was male??  So they admit there was human DNA??

I heard that too.

Me too.  

They'll have it up in a few minutes if anyone wants to listen again.

[Buckeye]

Did Tim say that they said the DNA, in the trap was male??  So they admit there was human DNA??

Hi Ya Buckeye- who are "they" and if "they" are the Aruban Authorities and "they" say it's male - then it's FEMALE DNA.

He talked about Aruba needing help from Holland then the Arubans surprisingly dove on the trap.  The results came back as male DNA.  For sure I don't believe that.  I've never seen anything from the Forensic Institute.  I don't think they send anything anywhere without doctoring it.

[KYcat]

For those that didn't catch it tonight, Stephs show podcast will be up either later tonight or tomorrow.  I want to hear Tim Miller talking about the male DNA myself, I missed that part.

Hi Klaasend,  I don't remember them even confirming that it was remains in the crab tra?!?

I thought they said there were no remains.  Even though I was one of the ones who thought that was Natalee in that trap and I still do.

My head hurts after that podcast.  One of the reasons I've been away so long.  It literally makes you physically sick what was done in Aruba.

[cajun miracle]

Thanks for the replay from all of you. I missed it live. You Monkeys are great!

[Buckeye]

Tim believes Natalee is in a container in the ocean because they didn't want to take the chance of her moving or floating away and there are still 140 targets to search. 

Tim says it's not over. 

not to be brash and hog all the posting here to myself... but what about the remains from the last trap - shouldn't that be concluded first? And what's the point of searching more targets if Natalee was already removed. Did Tim forget all this?

Tim didn't forget and went further than I have heard him go before about the find in the fish trap.
He said again that it looked like her clothing and all and he had pictures.  But then he said that the
Aruban's said that the body was male.....didn't sound like he was convinced.

That was my impression.  He was very unsure of the conclusion.  Wish they would have let him keep talking.

[Blue Moon]

Did Tim say that they said the DNA, in the trap was male??  So they admit there was human DNA??

Hi Ya Buckeye- who are "they" and if "they" are the Aruban Authorities and "they" say it's male - then it's FEMALE DNA.

You got that right.  I will always believe that was Natalee's remains in that trap.

[Rob]

Michael says it was not intentional, drugs involved, maybe Natalee fell and hit her head.

He doesn't think Joran is in Thailand murdering and stranglling girls (Steph said he could be doing this). 

So sorry this is an accident and I'm not going to let this ruin your life.  Paulus to Joran.

GEEZ

If it's an accident, the moral decent thing to do is not to cover it up. 

right and call an ambulance - I wonder, if Joran was playing tennis with Paulus and Paulus collapsed clutching his chest would he call an ambulance, or drag him under some mangrove trees, lose his tennis shoe(s) text Deepak, jump on the computer and create and alibi, download porn... would Paulus rank high enough for proper consideration?

[texasmom]

Tim believes Natalee is in a container in the ocean because they didn't want to take the chance of her moving or floating away and there are still 140 targets to search. 

Tim says it's not over. 

not to be brash and hog all the posting here to myself... but what about the remains from the last trap - shouldn't that be concluded first? And what's the point of searching more targets if Natalee was already removed. Did Tim forget all this?

Tim didn't forget and went further than I have heard him go before about the find in the fish trap.
He said again that it looked like her clothing and all and he had pictures.  But then he said that the
Aruban's said that the body was male.....didn't sound like he was convinced.

I agree!  

[Blue Moon]

Michael says it was not intentional, drugs involved, maybe Natalee fell and hit her head.

He doesn't think Joran is in Thailand murdering and stranglling girls (Steph said he could be doing this). 

So sorry this is an accident and I'm not going to let this ruin your life.  Paulus to Joran.

GEEZ

If it's an accident, the moral decent thing to do is not to cover it up. 

right and call an ambulance - I wonder, if Joran was playing tennis with Paulus and Paulus collapsed clutching his chest would he call an ambulance, or drag him under some mangrove trees, lose his tennis shoe(s) text Deepak, jump on the computer and create and alibi, download porn... would Paulus rank high enough for proper consideration?

There is a tape from the night Natalee died.  Why else would Paulus go to Florida to get Joran's school money refunded?  Hogwash,  he didn't go to Florida for any other reason than to retrieve that tape or destroy it.

[KYcat]

Michael says it was not intentional, drugs involved, maybe Natalee fell and hit her head.

He doesn't think Joran is in Thailand murdering and stranglling girls (Steph said he could be doing this). 

So sorry this is an accident and I'm not going to let this ruin your life.  Paulus to Joran.

GEEZ

If it's an accident, the moral decent thing to do is not to cover it up. 

right and call an ambulance - I wonder, if Joran was playing tennis with Paulus and Paulus collapsed clutching his chest would he call an ambulance, or drag him under some mangrove trees, lose his tennis shoe(s) text Deepak, jump on the computer and create and alibi, download porn... would Paulus rank high enough for proper consideration?

Not even Paulus would rank high enough if it meant Joran would be held responsible.  I don't think this is a one time thing with Joran.  He is wired wrong... psychopath... sociopath... whatever you want to label him.  Remember, they did this 20 times before and nothing bad ever happened! 

[Rob]

I wonder how Johan555 explains a hermit crab with human DNA...  this seems to be tricky...LOL

[KYcat]

BS on male DNA!

Who would ever believe Aruba about anything.

[texasmom]

For those that didn't catch it tonight, Stephs show podcast will be up either later tonight or tomorrow.  I want to hear Tim Miller talking about the male DNA myself, I missed that part.

The podcast is up!  I'm listening again!

[Magnolia]

I do so hope that Tim and whoever he can recruit to go with him show up at the memorial service.

[Magnolia]

I wonder how Johan555 explains a hermit crab with human DNA...  this seems to be tricky...LOL

 

[texasmom]

I do so hope that Tim and whoever he can recruit to go with him show up at the memorial service.

There was at least one volunteer.  Bet Rob knows who....

[Magnolia]

I do so hope that Tim and whoever he can recruit to go with him show up at the memorial service.

There was at least one volunteer.  Bet Rob knows who....

I saw her volunteer on the Chat.  That HotShot is always ready!

[klaasend]

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And Kyle's rendition with my diag measurement: