Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 - 3/13/10

[Kermit]

Thanks Kerm!

Now isn't that interesting!  Wasn't it August that Joran met with Jaap again and told the balcony/swamp story we all just heard?

THEY WERE BUSY BEAVERS

 
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Yeah.

IT GETS MORE INTERESTING

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MAYBE HE WAS COMING UP WITH THE TWO HOMES OWNED BY SANTOS FOR JORAN

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[Rob]

BTW  -look at the dates and what Renfro was been saying lately - she is in this up to her neck, which reminds me I need a new brown leather belt. 


she KNOWS it's all bullshit ... mmhmm 

[Lifesong]

I need a crash course in IPs and how to read this information.  I'm not sure I know what I'm looking at here when this stuff is posted and I'm afraid a lot of it is getting past me.

Also, can we talk about Helen Werleman?  That's a name that keeps coming up and I'm racking my brain...does she work for Jossy?  Wasn't she the one that crazy Destiny was in contact with?

[Magnolia]

I need a crash course in IPs and how to read this information.  I'm not sure I know what I'm looking at here when this stuff is posted and I'm afraid a lot of it is getting past me.

Also, can we talk about Helen Werleman?  That's a name that keeps coming up and I'm racking my brain...does she work for Jossy?  Wasn't she the one that crazy Destiny was in contact with?

I think you are right about Helen Werleman on both counts. 

I don't mind admitting that I am lost as a loon on all of the IP stuff posted today.  So I will just keep reading
and hope that it all dawns on me.

I think "Gary" is Gabriel Leo....just stirring up trouble.

[Lifesong]

I need a crash course in IPs and how to read this information.  I'm not sure I know what I'm looking at here when this stuff is posted and I'm afraid a lot of it is getting past me.

Also, can we talk about Helen Werleman?  That's a name that keeps coming up and I'm racking my brain...does she work for Jossy?  Wasn't she the one that crazy Destiny was in contact with?

I think you are right about Helen Werleman on both counts. 

I don't mind admitting that I am lost as a loon on all of the IP stuff posted today.  So I will just keep reading
and hope that it all dawns on me.

I think "Gary" is Gabriel Leo....just stirring up trouble.

Seems like the dark side is getting predictable.   
 

[Lifesong]

FWIW, I was able to start working on the timeline again today. 

I've just decided I'm going to be putting all of this IP data in the timeline and giving it its own color-code to make it easier to identify.  Maybe if I start seeing the dates this stuff shows up in order and surrounded by the concurrent events it'll help it soak in for me.

While I'm not sure what LaCabana is, though I've seen the pictures of it that Kermit has posted, and I do not know what Helen Werleman has to do with LaCabana...I have no doubt that these things will eventually be made clear.

[Magnolia]

FWIW, I was able to start working on the timeline again today. 

I've just decided I'm going to be putting all of this IP data in the timeline and giving it its own color-code to make it easier to identify.  Maybe if I start seeing the dates this stuff shows up in order and surrounded by the concurrent events it'll help it soak in for me.

While I'm not sure what LaCabana is, though I've seen the pictures of it that Kermit has posted, and I do not know what Helen Werleman has to do with LaCabana...I have no doubt that these things will eventually be made clear.

I think LaCabana is a time share and I would bet that Renfro and Purcell sell the units, since that is how
they both make a part of their living. 
I feel that they are all thumbing their noses at us and they feel that we will never get the information that we
need.  But we will.

[Lifesong]

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08/30/2009
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09/01/2009
IP address 201.229.38.# from Aruba (Domain name:  LaCabanaBRC.com) searches the following term:  “holloway "bird sanctuary" aruba".


09/02/2009
IP address 201.229.38.# from Aruba (Domain name:  LaCabanaBRC.com) searches the following term:  "holloway "bird sanctuary" aruba"


09/12/2009
IP address 201.229.47.# from Aruba searches:  268 wayaca residence


03/01/2010
IP address 204.212.120.# from Aruba searched the following term:    www.boletinextra.com

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[Rob]

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lala's   





Mags??? what say you...

[klaasend]

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08/30/2009
IP address 201.229.38.# from Aruba (Domain name:  LaCabanaBRC.com) searches the following terms:  “malmokweg Holloway”;  “holloway "bubali plas"; and "freddy zedan".


09/01/2009
IP address 201.229.38.# from Aruba (Domain name:  LaCabanaBRC.com) searches the following term:  “holloway "bird sanctuary" aruba".


09/02/2009
IP address 201.229.38.# from Aruba (Domain name:  LaCabanaBRC.com) searches the following term:  "holloway "bird sanctuary" aruba"


09/12/2009
IP address 201.229.47.# from Aruba searches:  268 wayaca residence


03/01/2010
IP address 204.212.120.# from Aruba searched the following term:    www.boletinextra.com

I find the Freddy Zedan search above rather interesting.  Did Freddy help Joran and Andre?

[Magnolia]

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lala's   





Mags??? what say you...

   Looks about right to me.

[Magnolia]

I think we had a link to this posted this morning.  It is a pretty good article, so I brought over the whole thing.


by David Lohr....AOL news

(March 3) -- Investigators aren't paying much attention to a newly released confession by Joran van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. But what would motivate him to talk to the media -- and to feed the press such contradictory accounts?

"Joran is a spoiled, arrogant, cocky fellow who is confident the law will never touch him because it hasn't," criminal profiler Pat Brown told AOL News. "He likes the power he has to enthrall people with his tale and manipulate them into believing what he says is true, especially because it isn't the truth."

Holloway, 18, from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared May 30, 2005, while on a trip to Aruba to celebrate her high school graduation. Her body has never been found. The case received international media attention and inspired a made-for-TV movie aired by Lifetime in 2009.


Natalee Holloway was 18 when she disappeared on May 30, 2005, while vacationing in Aruba. Her fate has been a mystery ever since. Authorities believe she is dead, but her body has not been found.

Holloway's classmates said they last saw her leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's nightclub with van der Sloot, then a 17-year-old Dutch honors student living in Aruba, and his two friends, Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. All three young men would be arrested in the case but all three were released without charge.

From the onset of the case, van der Sloot's stories have varied significantly.

During a June 9, 2005, interview with police in Aruba, van der Sloot said Holloway left the nightclub with him and the Kalpoes. He said they went for a car ride but then dropped the tourist off at her hotel, a Holiday Inn. He said he last saw her stumbling toward the lobby.

Roughly five days later, van der Sloot gave another statement to police. In this one, he said he and Holloway had gone to a beach not far from the Holiday Inn, where they made out. He said Holloway insisted on being left on the beach when he decided to catch a ride home with Deepak Kalpoe.

He said he had lied in his previous statement because Deepak Kalpoe had told him it would "be better if we would say that the three of us dropped off the girl at the Holiday Inn hotel." He said he decided to tell the truth after speaking with his father, prominent lawyer Paulus van der Sloot.

Despite her family's efforts to keep the investigation going, the case eventually went cold. Then, in February 2006, a Dutch television station aired a hidden-camera confession that van der Sloot had made to Aruban businessman Patrick van der Eem. In it, van der Sloot claimed Holloway had died of a drug overdose on the beach, and that he and a friend had dumped her body at sea.

"He went out to sea and then he threw her out, like an old rag," van der Sloot said.

Following the broadcast of that confession, van der Sloot called the Dutch television program "Pauw & Witteman." He acknowledged making the comments, but said they were lies.

"That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," van der Sloot said in reference to van der Eem.

Prosecutors later decided that the confession did not constitute legal evidence because the statements were a mixture of "lies and fantasy."

Van der Eem was reportedly paid about $35,000 by the program that broadcast the alleged confession.

Two years later, van der Sloot and reporter Zvezdana Vukojevic published a book, "The Case of Natalee Holloway." In it, van der Sloot gives his perspective on Holloway's disappearance and apologizes for his initial untruths, but maintains his innocence.

What, if anything, van der Sloot made from sales of the book remains unclear.

In November 2008, van der Sloot gave an hourlong interview to Fox News host Greta Van Susteren, during which he allegedly told her he had sold Holloway for $10,000 to a man he met in a casino. After the interview, van der Sloot called Fox and said he had been lying.

When Van Susteren discussed the interview during a Nov. 25, 2008, episode of "On the Record," she played a recorded conversation between van der Sloot and his father regarding allegations that the younger man was involved in human trafficking.

During the program, van der Sloot's attorney, Joe Tacopina, questioned Van Susteren about paying the young man for the recording, which he had made with his father. Van Susteren said she did not "buy" the recording, but acknowledged that Fox did "license" it.

"That's what the media does. You license photos, you license recordings, you license tape," she said.

Van Susteren did not comment on how much van der Sloot had been paid for licensing the tape, but some sources claim it was upward of $10,000.

Yet another statement van der Sloot made to the media was made public last week. This one was filmed in August 2009, but German news agency RTL said it had not aired the interview because it doubted its veracity. Nevertheless, the Dutch newspaper Telegraaf said it had viewed a recording of the interview.

According to the paper, van der Sloot named an accomplice and said the pair had taken Holloway to a friend's house, where they drank and used drugs. Holloway then allegedly climbed onto the rim of a balcony and began dancing.

"They both had just taken some coke," van der Sloot said, according to the Dutch newspaper. "I think she was pretty drunk, so she was just kind of dancing a striptease."

Van der Sloot said he walked over to Holloway and grabbed her by the hips, Telegraaf reported, at which point she "fell" from the balcony and was killed. He said he hid Holloway's body in a swamp because he was afraid of being prosecuted, the report said.

According to ABC News, the justice department in Aruba dismissed the most recent details, calling them "entirely unbelievable."

Several sources have told Alabama's NBC13 that van der Sloot was paid for the RTL interview. NBC13's Linda White confirmed this to AOL News, but said that her sources "did not know how much" he was paid.

Jasper Teijsse, a senior corporate adviser for RTL, told AOL News his news agency did not make any payments to van der Sloot. However, he did say that money was exchanged between RTL and the producer.

"RTL paid a production fee to the producer of a number of interviews, including a lie-detector test with van der Sloot," Teijsse said.

The question has since been directed to the producer, Jaap Amesz, but he has yet to respond.

It's difficult to trace whether van der Sloot is making much of a profit on these interviews. But Brown, founder of the Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency, said that the young Dutch man may be a "psychopathic personality" who is looking for attention. She has two possible explanations for why his stories are so changeable.

"One is that it isn't the truth, so there is not one exact replay of what happened for him to relive. Instead, he has to make up a new video of the event each time," she said.

"Secondly, he is the director of this 'film,' and he wants his audience to be engaged, and so he cuts what he realizes is not working or loses the interest of the person or he just suddenly gets a 'good idea' that he thinks will make a better story," Brown said.

"Psychopaths often do not think out the consequences of their actions or understand how others view their actions; he does what amuses him and makes him feel good."

Unless Holloway's body is found, it is highly unlikely anyone will ever be charged in her disappearance. And her family will never know exactly what happened.

"Because there was no body, no physical evidence, [Aruban authorities] do not feel they can win with just a half-baked story," Brown said.

[Rob]

I find the Freddy Zedan search above rather interesting.  Did Freddy help Joran and Andre?

you're not gonna believe this - earlier I was making a post and deleted it.. It essentially said, you can eliminate the people that Joran includes in his stories - they are not involved because should evidence be found incriminating them Joran incriminates himself - makes sense?

Here's who he has not implicated by Joran

Freddy, and we have no idea where he was the whole time, but the idiot Kalpoes seem to believe Freddy knows the truth. That's probably the only time they have ever been right.

Guido - we all know his story and he had a four wheeler confiscated IIRC. He has never been implicated beyond his arrest. Joran has not thrown him under the bus.

Koen and Sander - Joran has not tossed them - yet.

So, after 5 years, the case looks like - through reverse logic - and who has not been implicated by Joran as;

Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander, Guido, and Paulus.

Joran protects them because they can take him all the way down.

[wreck]

I find the Freddy Zedan search above rather interesting.  Did Freddy help Joran and Andre?

you're not gonna believe this - earlier I was making a post and deleted it.. It essentially said, you can eliminate the people that Joran includes in his stories - they are not involved because should evidence be found incriminating them Joran incriminates himself - makes sense?

Here's who he has not implicated by Joran

Freddy, and we have no idea where he was the whole time, but the idiot Kalpoes seem to believe Freddy knows the truth. That's probably the only time they have ever been right.

Guido - we all know his story and he had a four wheeler confiscated IIRC. He has never been implicated beyond his arrest. Joran has not thrown him under the bus.

Koen and Sander - Joran has not tossed them - yet.

So, after 5 years, the case looks like - through reverse logic - and who has not been implicated by Joran as;

Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander, Guido, and Paulus.

Joran protects them because they can take him all the way down.

I think your on to something!!! 

[Anna]

LaCabana--

Remember when Beth first met up with Charles Croes?   Remember his stopping off at LaCabana and finding the kid who knew where Joran lived?

How did he know to go THERE and that someone there would know where Joran lived?

[Anna]

I find the Freddy Zedan search above rather interesting.  Did Freddy help Joran and Andre?

you're not gonna believe this - earlier I was making a post and deleted it.. It essentially said, you can eliminate the people that Joran includes in his stories - they are not involved because should evidence be found incriminating them Joran incriminates himself - makes sense?

Here's who he has not implicated by Joran

Freddy, and we have no idea where he was the whole time, but the idiot Kalpoes seem to believe Freddy knows the truth. That's probably the only time they have ever been right.

Guido - we all know his story and he had a four wheeler confiscated IIRC. He has never been implicated beyond his arrest. Joran has not thrown him under the bus.

Koen and Sander - Joran has not tossed them - yet.

So, after 5 years, the case looks like - through reverse logic - and who has not been implicated by Joran as;

Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander, Guido, and Paulus.

Joran protects them because they can take him all the way down.

We didn't know Guido Wever's name for almost two years.  I agree and have always thought this Rob.  Probably people involved whose name we have never heard.

[Lifesong]

Klass & the Amazing Mods -

I've just updated Part 8 (only) of the Superior Timeline thread.  Would one of you be so kind as to delete the old Part 8?  It's reply #8 on the thread. 

The link to the old part #8 to be deleted is:   http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg794943#msg794943.

Thanks so much!!

I'll take care of it! (klaasend)

[klaasend]

Muffy is over there too.  I hope we both don't delete and remove your new one.

Lifesong - tell me you saved it    just in case 

[Kermit]

I need a crash course in IPs and how to read this information.  I'm not sure I know what I'm looking at here when this stuff is posted and I'm afraid a lot of it is getting past me.

Also, can we talk about Helen Werleman?  That's a name that keeps coming up and I'm racking my brain...does she work for Jossy?  Wasn't she the one that crazy Destiny was in contact with?

Aureen werleman at Diario

  La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club

Helen Werleman & Manager of the Year,
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f61/maureen-martinez-helen-werleman-walter-kelly-recognized-la-cabana-10976/


Werleman
Jossy Mansur's son on the boat with Kyle, Eduardo Mansur
Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
CAPS is talking to John Silvetti
John Silvetti is talking to Kyle

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107

La Cabana Hotel & Casino
Owned by 4 Dutch guys

La Cabana Villas (Timeshare)
Owned by 3 of the 4

LA CABANA CASINO
 J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 250, ORANJESTAD WEST
  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
  LA CABANA CASINO N.V.
  ARUBA
  12 JULY 2001
     
ANGELA, JOHN RAYMOND FRANCIS;
 TANKI LEENDERT 112-E, NOORD, ARUBA
 
ODUBER, RICARDO;
  SABANA BLANCO 142, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
  ARUBA on 7 FEBRUARY 1950