Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 - 3/13/10

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[billb's daughter]

i hate them all

isnt the whole case really about this

joran and crew were drugging and raping and probably video taping it and at times were letting the older PIGS ( PAULUS ) have a chance at the rape of the drugged girls and women.

and if joran was brought to justice the OLD PIGS ( paulus  and his cronies were all going down)

so, the protection of joran which = protection of paulus which = protection of others

is the whole story

I  swear to god, I would pull a DENZEL WASHINGTON  Man on Fire   scene


I have no doubt there will be a REAL moment of truth... but there will have to be more suicides like paulus,  first..........

I think this is what drove the whole cover up from the get go...
They did this 20 times before and nothing bad happen...
because thy left a scared drugged girl on the beach and when she woke up...rushed to catch a flight off the hell hole of an island...
I hate them all too....
I'm betting Minnesota Dad and many others feel the same.......

[billb's daughter]

i hate them all

isnt the whole case really about this

joran and crew were drugging and raping and probably video taping it and at times were letting the older PIGS ( PAULUS ) have a chance at the rape of the drugged girls and women.

and if joran was brought to justice the OLD PIGS ( paulus  and his cronies were all going down)

so, the protection of joran which = protection of paulus which = protection of others

is the whole story

I  swear to god, I would pull a DENZEL WASHINGTON  Man on Fire   scene


I have no doubt there will be a REAL moment of truth... but there will have to be more suicides like paulus,  first..........

I think this is what drove the whole cover up from the get go...
They did this 20 times before and nothing bad happen...
because thy left a scared drugged girl on the beach and when she woke up...rushed to catch a flight off the hell hole of an island...
I hate them all too....
I'm betting Minnesota Dad and many others feel the same.......

[billb's daughter]

Not sure why I  double posted....
Except maybe I just hate them all soooo much...
Aruba...we aren't going anywhere.........
Until you give Natalee back!

[blah]

all of them together
gary on February 23rd, 2010 12:31 pm

Jvds is only telling part truth, they took her
body to six different locations,the marsh was at
Frenchmans Pass and #5,and hidded until eary Sat.
morning, and then taken to her final location, inside the cage that was stolen from F.H. and
hidden in a pond by his house, she is in 15 ft.
of water, now the five fingers are pointing at
Jvds-Guido-Andre-2ks-Flor-Koen-Sander-Beto..
The most common Shark in that area is the Caribbean REEF Shark, where would you go to see
see Sharks????

This part of his story makes no sense at all.

You dont move a body five times in a week only to put her in a fish cage you stole the night she died.  What did they do, steal the fish trap the night they killed her and hide it for a week knowing they were going to use it eventually?

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[jen3560]

LaCabana--

Remember when Beth first met up with Charles Croes?   Remember his stopping off at LaCabana and finding the kid who knew where Joran lived?

How did he know to go THERE and that someone there would know where Joran lived?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That's something I've been harping on for years.    Why is that the first, and ONLY, beach place Charles went to?

There are also "fisherman's huts" down there as well. 

Maybe ole Charlie simply misinterpereted the message he was given by the One in Charge............and got the wrong Fisherman's Huts.

Remember Joran's finger pointing at Deepak?  Raped her and buried her by the Fisherman's Huts........

[MuffyBee]

Muffy is over there too.  I hope we both don't delete and remove your new one.

Lifesong - tell me you saved it    just in case 

 

I have it!  I've deleted the whole thing before trying to get it posted!  Learned that one the hard way.   

I went and looked at it, but didn't delete anything for just the reason Klaas mentioned.  If I delete, I make a note, which can even be removed at a later date by Klaas or another mod.  But this time, I left it.  You had so much work in that document I didn't want to mess it up.  Thank you for your dedication and hard work, Lifesong.  And I'm glad you're back posting with us.  I hope your health continues to improve.   

[jen3560]

thank you Lifesong!!!!!!

Anna - note the part in red also, in conjunction with my previous post.

Coinky dink?  Probably not.....  Did ole Charlie REALLY get the message confused?

At the much-anticipated year-end gala unfolding at the Renaissance Convention Center, La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club revealed the winners of the ultimate annual titles with the announcement of Associate of the Year, Maureen Martinez, Supervisor of the Year, Helen Werleman & Manager of the Year, Walter Kelly.

The three winners out-shone and out-ran all other highly qualified resort nominees and received a standing ovation, a well-deserved public recognition for their excellent leadership and tireless efforts.

Pictured here, the winners and their handsome engraved plaques celebrating their professional triumph, with General Manager Joe Najjar and resort executives.

The gala at the Renaissance Convention Center offered a delicious holiday buffet as well as dance music with Robert y su Solo Banda Show, which the elegantly dressed associates enjoyed and appreciated.

[jen3560]

It was, Klaas, which is interesting in light of later developments.

No wonder  they had the "decoys" (their own word) operational so quickly.  And it's a concerted effort because all of them are dependent on tourism for their incomes, one way or another.

Joran himself said (I forget when and where, maybe his book?) that misinformation in all of this was so important!

[jen3560]

TxMom,

Yes, Paulus did seem to have just the right friends in the right places to help a buddy out!  I doubt they feel that same loyalty to the son who has now become a national embarrassment.  At least I sure hope not.

Yes he did, and I can't help but wonder if he wasn't involved somehow...

Maybe I'm just too suspicious!   

Paulus is dead...natural causes?...murder?...suicide?

Right after the Carlo & Vandersloot partnership is dissolved.

Right before this!

Just very interesting timing imo!!!!   

I can't help but agree.

Oh, the potential implications.........

[jen3560]

Yes, I agree and have always thought that Paulus "Wiretaps" vd Sloot was involved in something very shady.  We know he made the evidence disappear in the Ben (Voc)King case as Vocking as much as admitted to that but I think he was into something when Natalee disappeared as well.

The disolution of his law firm right before his death is strange,  And yet no autopsy of a premature death like that.

Very strange goings on all around him.

Yes, Yes, and Yes!!!!

Eric Williams knew Paulus was a Judge before any of Beth, Jug and their friends even knew a last name for Joran. And this was at the HI that very first night, when they finally had a location for Joran - and before they got there!

[billb's daughter]

I need a crash course in IPs and how to read this information.  I'm not sure I know what I'm looking at here when this stuff is posted and I'm afraid a lot of it is getting past me.

Also, can we talk about Helen Werleman?  That's a name that keeps coming up and I'm racking my brain...does she work for Jossy?  Wasn't she the one that crazy Destiny was in contact with?

I think you are right about Helen Werleman on both counts. 

I don't mind admitting that I am lost as a loon on all of the IP stuff posted today.  So I will just keep reading
and hope that it all dawns on me.

I think "Gary" is Gabriel Leo....just stirring up trouble.

That's a pretty good guess.  Gabe Leo always had an abnormal interest in this and I can't believe he has just suddenly forgotten all about it.

I also agree with your assessment the other day that sometimes I get a whiff of the DarkLard as well.  And I never mention LvR unless someone else brings him up or tries to incorporate that mess into the situation--red herring and bloomer but at least I don't feel the need to harp on it endlessly.  But I do get that whiff of sulfer waifting in the air from time to time.  But it would have to have learned to use a spell check, lol.

Dear Monkeys.....
I'm hope I'm wrong about the innuendos.........
FWIF...I may have been out of line more than once because I  took offense that some were continually focusing on a long time poster every time she posted what some think is old news taken out of context.....
I'm here for Natalee......and will be as long as I am able......hopefully as a contributor and not viewed as a distraction...or worse.....
Goodnight Good Monkeys......

[BUCKSHOT]

I need a crash course in IPs and how to read this information.  I'm not sure I know what I'm looking at here when this stuff is posted and I'm afraid a lot of it is getting past me.

Also, can we talk about Helen Werleman?  That's a name that keeps coming up and I'm racking my brain...does she work for Jossy?  Wasn't she the one that crazy Destiny was in contact with?

Aureen werleman at Diario

  La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club

Helen Werleman & Manager of the Year,
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f61/maureen-martinez-helen-werleman-walter-kelly-recognized-la-cabana-10976/


Werleman
Jossy Mansur's son on the boat with Kyle, Eduardo Mansur
Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
CAPS is talking to John Silvetti
John Silvetti is talking to Kyle

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107

La Cabana Hotel & Casino
Owned by 4 Dutch guys

La Cabana Villas (Timeshare)
Owned by 3 of the 4

LA CABANA CASINO
 J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 250, ORANJESTAD WEST
  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
  LA CABANA CASINO N.V.
  ARUBA
  12 JULY 2001
     
ANGELA, JOHN RAYMOND FRANCIS;
 TANKI LEENDERT 112-E, NOORD, ARUBA
 
ODUBER, RICARDO;
  SABANA BLANCO 142, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
  ARUBA on 7 FEBRUARY 1950

..And wasn't a Lejuez attorney hired to help NH family early on? Full circle...

[jen3560]

all of them together
gary on February 23rd, 2010 12:31 pm

Jvds is only telling part truth, they took her
body to six different locations,the marsh was at
Frenchmans Pass and #5,and hidded until eary Sat.
morning, and then taken to her final location, inside the cage that was stolen from F.H. and
hidden in a pond by his house, she is in 15 ft.
of water, now the five fingers are pointing at
Jvds-Guido-Andre-2ks-Flor-Koen-Sander-Beto..
The most common Shark in that area is the Caribbean REEF Shark, where would you go to see
see Sharks????

This part of his story makes no sense at all.

You dont move a body five times in a week only to put her in a fish cage you stole the night she died.  What did they do, steal the fish trap the night they killed her and hide it for a week knowing they were going to use it eventually?

Excellent point, blah!

[jen3560]

Buckshot - IIRC, that was Helen Lejuez.  Sister to Chris LeJuez who represented, at one point, both the innocent security guards who were arrested.

[jen3560]

Good morning Monkeys.  Happy Friday! 

[can]

Good morning Monkeys.  Happy Friday! 

   Good morning Jen!  Happy Friday to you too!

Good morning everyone.  Thank you all for your devotion and hard work.

Monkeys Rock!   

[BUCKSHOT]

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

MORE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN RESPONSE TO AN INJUSTICE?

What happened to the Dutch investigation into this crime?

Could this conflict of interest have played a part in the lack of action by the Dutch officials?

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year.

Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.

Aruba's Justice Minister Rudy Croes sent a letter last week to Netherlands' Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes and to another Dutch official asking the Dutch police to handle the case, saying little progress had been made, the Solo di Pueblo newspaper reported.

If Dutch police take over the investigation, they will have access to all case files and their own office, according to the newspaper, which didn't cite its source. Remkes will visit the Dutch Caribbean islands, including Aruba, next week, authorities said in the Netherlands.

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060826/aruba.shtml 8-26-06

APPOINTMENTS COMMON COURT OF JUSTICE OF the NETHERLANDS ANTILLES AND ARUBA

The realm council of ministers has agreed on proposal of minister (Johan) Remkes of internal matter and kingdom relations with a pair of appointments. The lord Mr. G.E.M. Polkamp (52) are proposed for appointment to member of the common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. At present Mr Polkamp deputy member of the court is. The appointment discusses 1 January 2003. the lord Mr. P.A.P.J. of of the ditch (Paulus Van Der Sloot) (50) is proposed for appointment to deputy member of the common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. The lord of of the ditch is now operative as a principal private secretary at the Procurator-General of Aruba. The appointment discusses 1 January 2003 for a period of three years.
http://www.regering.nl/actueel/nieu...20/42_12498.jsp
Full text in the .pdf file on that page. Translated by Babelfish, this is what you get:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=24596&page=21&pp=25

Remkes being called upon to act in this position of authoritative leadership over the Dutch investigation into this case where a personal judicial appointee of his was a suspect, whose son is still considered the prime suspect, leads us to question if that is the reason the Dutch have not moved forward with this investigation?

We've all seen how the Aruban investigation was handled, does it appear the Hague failed to learn Aruba's lesson?

Will they now share the same shameful results Aruba is currently experiencing?

Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee’s Freebirds
POSTED BY NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS AT 2:09 PM

It's like they all get a chance to lead the case, investigate the investigation, etc...

"OK -- Its your turn...Go get 'em tiger."

Roadmap to run the Holloway investigation:
(1) Press release announcing takeover/transition into the case
(2) Televised press conference w/subsequent news article translations
(3) Announcement that several months will be needed to investigate the file due to its complexities.
(4) Disinformants galore to explore/create more falsities to further muddy the case
(5) A televised confession by (paid) Joran with a newly created confession.
(6) Press release stating that Joran is unbelievable due to his established track record.
(7) If things heat up in the case, use of vacation and/or leave of absence time allotment.
( State that corruption has been found in the case. Re-assure that case will be solved.
(9) Finally, put in retirement papers from position.
(10) Retire from the case and take a new job within.
Total time period for their 10-STEP PROGRAM: Approximately 12-18 months..
Additionally, pay bonus for having served in this role for specified tenure.

[jen3560]

LifeSong - I don't know if these will prove helpful for your timeline or not, but here are some notes I kept on our lacabana visitor.

LaCabana.................their time share sales office has an address on Beatrixstraat.

Remember? That's where the lat/long is for that CNG member that I caught....


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 LaCabana is back  our blog again - this time looking at the pic of the Persistence in our Bring Natalee Home doc.

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