Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 - 3/13/10

[jen3560]

Buckshot - That is a perfect summary for that job position.  Gosh, it must pay well - as they all don't seem to mind what it does to their reputation.

[jen3560]

Good morning Monkeys.  Happy Friday! 

   Good morning Jen!  Happy Friday to you too!

Good morning everyone.  Thank you all for your devotion and hard work.

Monkeys Rock!   

Good to see you can! 

[jen3560]

Andre - look at what Joran is doing to your good name!



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[Bearlyhere]

Since I have GVE open to the Divi area... I thought I would share my longest drive... It's about 380 yards.. slightly down hill and wayyyyyyyyyy down wind ... LOL

Congrats... thats a mother of a shot!

Thanks Carpe - Taylor Made 5 series driver and Callaway ball... and like I said - wayyyyyy down wind and caught it perfectly. It was one of those swings that if you don't catch the ball perfect your pants and shoes fly off...  

                             

                           

                                  Rob?

[Jonathan45]

From the day Natalee is missing there has never been a search [cadaverdog] at the former buildingsite [ archives gle Earth, first images of the area], now a  new soccerfield, on the Malmokweg [corner], very close to the VDS compound. The area is called Cunucu, Jorans playground when he was a kid. He mentioned it in his book.
Here is the link to 'Compleho Deportivo Frans Figoroa.
If Joran committed this crime alone, and I have no doubts about that, then this is one of three spots within the Cunucu where Joran could have buried or hidden Natalee's body. The other two spots are dumpsites [ trash] with polluted water.


http://www.avbaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_joomleague&func=showPlayground&p=2&pgid=2&Itemid=89

[Bearlyhere]

I find the Freddy Zedan search above rather interesting.  Did Freddy help Joran and Andre?

you're not gonna believe this - earlier I was making a post and deleted it.. It essentially said, you can eliminate the people that Joran includes in his stories - they are not involved because should evidence be found incriminating them Joran incriminates himself - makes sense?

Here's who he has not implicated by Joran

Freddy, and we have no idea where he was the whole time, but the idiot Kalpoes seem to believe Freddy knows the truth. That's probably the only time they have ever been right.

Guido - we all know his story and he had a four wheeler confiscated IIRC. He has never been implicated beyond his arrest. Joran has not thrown him under the bus.

Koen and Sander - Joran has not tossed them - yet.

So, after 5 years, the case looks like - through reverse logic - and who has not been implicated by Joran as;

Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander, Guido, and Paulus.

Joran protects them because they can take him all the way down.

What if the story is true, that he did sell Natalee for $10,000.....to Paulus.  He does not do anything for free, that amount seems to be his asking price for everything.

[klaasend]

From the day Natalee is missing there has never been a search [cadaverdog] at the former buildingsite [ archives gle Earth, first images of the area], now a  new soccerfield, on the Malmokweg [corner], very close to the VDS compound. The area is called Cunucu, Jorans playground when he was a kid. He mentioned it in his book.
Here is the link to 'Compleho Deportivo Frans Figoroa.
If Joran committed this crime alone, and I have no doubts about that, then this is one of three spots within the Cunucu where Joran could have buried or hidden Natalee's body. The other two spots are dumpsites [ trash] with polluted water.


http://www.avbaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_joomleague&func=showPlayground&p=2&pgid=2&Itemid=89

J45 - I was under the impression that this is the very same area that Fred Golba recently searched.

[Jonathan45]

@Klaasend

That was another older soccerfield situated a bit more up North of the Malmokerg on your left, on Washinton road. Fred Golba was not at this new soccerfield.

[Jonathan45]

@Klaasend

On the first released images from Google Earth [2006] this new soccerfield was already a buildingsite [ the first satelite image from google Earth showed a sandy surface with draglines on it. In 2005 it had already a fence and some construction activities.

[Anna]

Buckshot - IIRC, that was Helen Lejuez.  Sister to Chris LeJuez who represented, at one point, both the innocent security guards who were arrested.

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Well, half the island has the last name of Croes so don't tell me they are starting to have the same first name as well!  I know there were two Steven Croes.

Is Helen Werleman Lejuez different from just Helen Lejuez?  Because I remember Helen Lejuez representing the family of Natalee as well.  Remember she said she got threats and even had her tires slashed because of it?

This is confusing to say the least.  Especially the IP business.  There used to be some very interesting late nite visitors as well.  Wish I had paid more attention at the time.  Government agencies and from foreign countries but could have been rerouting.  Didn't know enough to save the information, however.

[Jonathan45]

@Klaasend

To solve this case by finding Natalees remains we really have to go back to the timeline and Jorans cellphone data and the computerdata from Joran and valentijn the night Natalee vanished.
The 2.26am call to Deepak was crucial to Joran and the only escape route to bring the crimescene from the VDShome to the beach to misled the ALE.
Till now he succeeded and brought him cash.
 All stories connected to the beach and the surrounding areas are lies.

[Anna]

I wonder if ALE/OM/TPTB have told Andre never to discuss any of this, not even to defend himself.  Maybe they even had him sign one of the famous Charles Croes Non-Disclosure Statements?  Told him if he knows what's good for him he will never talk about this?

Because otherwise, I can't imagine why he isn't suing the pants off the Sporter.

[klaasend]

@Klaasend

That was another older soccerfield situated a bit more up North of the Malmokerg on your left, on Washinton road. Fred Golba was not at this new soccerfield.

Thanks!  Looked like the same to me but very possible it's different.

[klaasend]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16856/8/



Supuesto caso di suicidio na Westin
Friday, 05 March 2010 - 12:33

Den oranan di diabierna merdia, a sosode un caso lamentabel di suicidio na Westin Resort, caminda un turista a pone fin na su bida den un kamber di hotel. Click lesa mas pa mas info...
Polis y personal di departamento tecnico ya caba ta na e sitio pa asina haci un que otro investigacion, mientras tanto nos coleganan ainda ta na e sitio pa asina colecta mas informacion encuanto e  caso lamentabel aki.

Through translator:


supuesto caso of suicidio at westin

 friday, 05 march 2010 - 12:33 in oranan of diabierna afternoon, owing to sosode one caso regrettable of suicidio at westin resort, caminda one tourist owing to place end at his life in one bedroom of hotel. click read more for more info... police y personal of departamento tecnico already end is at the sitio for so haci one que another investigacion, all the time we coleganan still is at the sitio for so colecta more informacion encuanto the caso regrettable here.

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16856/8/



Supuesto caso di suicidio na Westin
Friday, 05 March 2010 - 12:33

Den oranan di diabierna merdia, a sosode un caso lamentabel di suicidio na Westin Resort, caminda un turista a pone fin na su bida den un kamber di hotel. Click lesa mas pa mas info...
Polis y personal di departamento tecnico ya caba ta na e sitio pa asina haci un que otro investigacion, mientras tanto nos coleganan ainda ta na e sitio pa asina colecta mas informacion encuanto e  caso lamentabel aki.

Through translator:


supuesto caso of suicidio at westin

 friday, 05 march 2010 - 12:33 in oranan of diabierna afternoon, owing to sosode one caso regrettable of suicidio at westin resort, caminda one tourist owing to place end at his life in one bedroom of hotel. click read more for more info... police y personal of departamento tecnico already end is at the sitio for so haci one que another investigacion, all the time we coleganan still is at the sitio for so colecta more informacion encuanto the caso regrettable here.

No disrespect intended toward the deceased....but, I can't imagine planning a vacation anywhere and taking my life.  AHATA might want to place ads...book the Westin on one happy island, where suicide is easy.

[klaasend]

Rob may want to snag the full size photo of that van 

[wreck]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16856/8/



Supuesto caso di suicidio na Westin
Friday, 05 March 2010 - 12:33

Den oranan di diabierna merdia, a sosode un caso lamentabel di suicidio na Westin Resort, caminda un turista a pone fin na su bida den un kamber di hotel. Click lesa mas pa mas info...
Polis y personal di departamento tecnico ya caba ta na e sitio pa asina haci un que otro investigacion, mientras tanto nos coleganan ainda ta na e sitio pa asina colecta mas informacion encuanto e  caso lamentabel aki.

Through translator:


supuesto caso of suicidio at westin

 friday, 05 march 2010 - 12:33 in oranan of diabierna afternoon, owing to sosode one caso regrettable of suicidio at westin resort, caminda one tourist owing to place end at his life in one bedroom of hotel. click read more for more info... police y personal of departamento tecnico already end is at the sitio for so haci one que another investigacion, all the time we coleganan still is at the sitio for so colecta more informacion encuanto the caso regrettable here.

No disrespect intended toward the deceased....but, I can't imagine planning a vacation anywhere and taking my life.  AHATA might want to place ads...book the Westin on one happy island, where suicide is easy.

They could play the theme from M*A*S*H* in the background!! ("Suicide Is Painless") 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Rob may want to snag the full size photo of that van 

     

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16856/8/



Supuesto caso di suicidio na Westin
Friday, 05 March 2010 - 12:33

Den oranan di diabierna merdia, a sosode un caso lamentabel di suicidio na Westin Resort, caminda un turista a pone fin na su bida den un kamber di hotel. Click lesa mas pa mas info...
Polis y personal di departamento tecnico ya caba ta na e sitio pa asina haci un que otro investigacion, mientras tanto nos coleganan ainda ta na e sitio pa asina colecta mas informacion encuanto e  caso lamentabel aki.

Through translator:


supuesto caso of suicidio at westin

 friday, 05 march 2010 - 12:33 in oranan of diabierna afternoon, owing to sosode one caso regrettable of suicidio at westin resort, caminda one tourist owing to place end at his life in one bedroom of hotel. click read more for more info... police y personal of departamento tecnico already end is at the sitio for so haci one que another investigacion, all the time we coleganan still is at the sitio for so colecta more informacion encuanto the caso regrettable here.

No disrespect intended toward the deceased....but, I can't imagine planning a vacation anywhere and taking my life.  AHATA might want to place ads...book the Westin on one happy island, where suicide is easy.

They could play the theme from M*A*S*H* in the background!! ("Suicide Is Painless") 

   Pockets required.

[Sharon/Tx]

FYI - I keep checking and found this front page comment.....

85.gary on March 5th, 2010 10:25 am
Just to let you know that I live in the U.S.A., and never been to Aruba, and I’m not afraid,jvds is the one playing games with a brutal murder of Natalee, and taking you people in a complete circle with this gruesome crime, at the beginning D.K. was seen policing the crime area and moving items to the Bird Sanctuary, when question by the police, he said he wanted to mess up the Investigation, do you think jvds would let him do that if he had put her body there??
also the 2ks provided an item from their house to cover Natalee with (the right side of her face and her head were bleeding, she also had damage to her throat, strangled or took a hard blow to the Larynx area causing her to suffocate, this is my guess)She also was raped/attemped by jvds only.
#4 location was taken from a S.M. article, that two female phone workers seen a man with an ax, a car and a blond girl laying in the bushes close to Barcadera in a field, during the week she went missing..
#5 The trap was retrieved during this week and taken to Frenchmans Pass and hidden, now they had to wait until the parents of Koen and Sander left Aruba the coming weekend, so they could use the boat..