Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 - 3/13/10

[Magnolia]

Thanks kerm.

I know Natalee wasn't very tall, but is there any way she could have been standing on that balcony, and NOT hit her head?  In fact, just judging by using proportions of the rest of the house - could she even have been standing upright on it at all?

Nein. Nein. Nein. 

There's a normal door with some space above so I think there's no problem there standing on the balcony.

I just really don't think so.  Normal doorway would be, what? 7' or 8' tall?  Giving the benefit of the doubt, that railing comes up at least halfway the height of the door - 3.5 - 4 ft.  Natalee was........5'4" wasn't she?

All standard doors are 6' 8" tall.

[EURobert]

Thanks kerm.

I know Natalee wasn't very tall, but is there any way she could have been standing on that balcony, and NOT hit her head?  In fact, just judging by using proportions of the rest of the house - could she even have been standing upright on it at all?

Nein. Nein. Nein. 

There's a normal door with some space above so I think there's no problem there standing on the balcony.

I just really don't think so.  Normal doorway would be, what? 7' or 8' tall?  Giving the benefit of the doubt, that railing comes up at least halfway the height of the door - 3.5 - 4 ft.  Natalee was........5'4" wasn't she?

In the first clip (which starts with the two studio-hosts behind the desk) you can see that it's a rather spacial balcony; enough space to stand upright and move around.

[jen3560]

Thanks Magnolia! 

EURobert - yes, the balcony itself is spacious.  I'm talking about the height of the railing.

Because if Natalee was standing upright on the floor of the balcony itself, how in the world could she have fallen over?  That railing had to be at above waist height for her.

[Anna]

8 ft door with foot or two above it visible in the background.  4 ft railing plus 5 ft for Natalee--would be close but might be possible.  It's hard for a 5 ft tall person to fall over a 4 ft railing but remember the woman at the hotel whose husband said she fell over the railing and they claim people do it on cruise ships all the time.  Very suspicious to me as I have never had that happen and am almost as tall as Natalee.

[EURobert]

Thanks Magnolia! 

EURobert - yes, the balcony itself is spacious.  I'm talking about the height of the railing.

Because if Natalee was standing upright on the floor of the balcony itself, how in the world could she have fallen over?  That railing had to be at above waist height for her.

If they both were on the balcony (IF!!!) Joran pushed her!

[klaasend]

Lorenzo's house?  Could he be trying to implicate Lorenzo?  We know Astrid did sell her house.

[jen3560]

my deer friend sent me this.


Andre Montival AOKI Dos SANTOS,

Also known as "Dre", born at Sao Paolo in Brazil, on October 15, 1986, a student at (Mon Plaisier college) and living in Palm Beach number XXX on Aruba

Forgot the link.  Sorry!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=310.0

[carpe noctem]

So now Joran unloads a whole new list of people who will be pursued relentlessly...

He could care less, he got his check.

It just makes me wonder... when will they shut his mouth for him?

Dead men tell no tales.

[klaasend]

Thanks Magnolia! 

EURobert - yes, the balcony itself is spacious.  I'm talking about the height of the railing.

Because if Natalee was standing upright on the floor of the balcony itself, how in the world could she have fallen over?  That railing had to be at above waist height for her.

If they both were on the balcony (IF!!!) Joran pushed her!

IF .....she could have been trying to get away

[jen3560]

Thanks Magnolia! 

EURobert - yes, the balcony itself is spacious.  I'm talking about the height of the railing.

Because if Natalee was standing upright on the floor of the balcony itself, how in the world could she have fallen over?  That railing had to be at above waist height for her.

If they both were on the balcony (IF!!!) Joran pushed her!

Right!    Not that I believe this story, but a lift and a push would be what it would have taken to topple Natalee over that railing.

[EURobert]

Joran said about all the previous interviews he gave that he allways for 95% told the truth.... (  )
The OM say they don't think this new (now appr. one year old story) is not reliable.

[jen3560]

Klaas - I don't think it's Lorenzo's house.  In the video the hotels are too close by, and this house is right near the water, with a Palm Beach address.

[carpe noctem]

Thanks Magnolia! 

EURobert - yes, the balcony itself is spacious.  I'm talking about the height of the railing.

Because if Natalee was standing upright on the floor of the balcony itself, how in the world could she have fallen over?  That railing had to be at above waist height for her.

If they both were on the balcony (IF!!!) Joran pushed her!

IF .....she could have been trying to get away

Precisely.

[Buckeye]

EURobert

In anything you've seen, is there a distinction made between an interview and the results of the lie detector?  Are the actual lie detector questions and answers posted anywhere?

[jen3560]

So now Joran unloads a whole new list of people who will be pursued relentlessly...

He could care less, he got his check.

It just makes me wonder... when will they shut his mouth for him?

Dead men tell no tales.

Perhaps now?  Now while he's at Home Sweet Home.

Maybe "A" will show him just how much he appreciates Joran putting him into the middle of this.

[jen3560]

Thanks Magnolia! 

EURobert - yes, the balcony itself is spacious.  I'm talking about the height of the railing.

Because if Natalee was standing upright on the floor of the balcony itself, how in the world could she have fallen over?  That railing had to be at above waist height for her.

If they both were on the balcony (IF!!!) Joran pushed her!

IF .....she could have been trying to get away

That's certainly a possibility.  I don't believe this story from Joran, but I've always believed there was a head wound involved, and that it happened while she was trying to escape.  Wasn't it Viet Vet who told us about a baseball bat?

[EURobert]

Thanks Magnolia! 

EURobert - yes, the balcony itself is spacious.  I'm talking about the height of the railing.

Because if Natalee was standing upright on the floor of the balcony itself, how in the world could she have fallen over?  That railing had to be at above waist height for her.

If they both were on the balcony (IF!!!) Joran pushed her!

IF .....she could have been trying to get away

You might very well be right... She panicked and tried to get over the railing...

[San]

This is so fake.  What the kick in the ass is that he isn't one bit embarrassed that he tried something like this.  He enjoys it.

[klaasend]

my deer friend sent me this.


Andre Montival AOKI Dos SANTOS,

Also known as "Dre", born at Sao Paolo in Brazil, on October 15, 1986, a student at (Mon Plaisier college) and living in Palm Beach number XXX on Aruba

Forgot the link.  Sorry!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=310.0

I have un-redacted statements.  Give me a bit and I'll see what I can find 

[EURobert]

EURobert

In anything you've seen, is there a distinction made between an interview and the results of the lie detector?  Are the actual lie detector questions and answers posted anywhere?

You mean the tests from this latest interview? I heard it mentioned somewhere tonight but don't know where... But from what I understood there was a polygraph test. I guess we'll see those answers coming sunday.