Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 - 3/13/10

[Sharon/Tx]

The young Dutchman continues to maintain that he was present when Natalee died and that he got rid of her body. He says he gave the interview because “he wants to come clean once and for all ... Almost half of the Netherlands thinks I’m a killer.” We’ll just have to wait and see whether this latest media gambit helps change that view.

    Loose lips sink ships............. keep talking Joran......... !

[Sharon/Tx]

Could someone please refresh my memory?  WHY isn't Natalee's name on the FBI missing or kidnapped page? http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kidmiss.htm   I see Amy Bradley but never Natalee.  This is such a terrible injustice to the Holloway family.

[Sharon/Tx]

(Natalee is only on the next page of the FBI site  - "Seeking Information.")  Strange.

[Buckeye]

(Natalee is only on the next page of the FBI site  - "Seeking Information.")  Strange.

I believe the FBI is investigating it as a homicide.  Others, under that heading, are dead.

[klaasend]

(Natalee is only on the next page of the FBI site  - "Seeking Information.")  Strange.

I believe the FBI is investigating it as a homicide.  Others, under that heading, are dead.

I agree Buckeye - the bulk of people on that page are dead.  The FBI knows she's dead but without a body they have to list her as seeking information.

[Blonde]

Does anybody know anything about Andre menses?

Janet

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Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

Name: Maria Bernadeta Kelly
64
Date: 9 May 2006
Pages: 7
Writer Ilnitiator: Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement by a friend of Andres Meneses

Name: Andres Menses
Date: 10 May 2006
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Rolando Maduro
Description: witness statement

Name: Andres Menses (second statement)
Date: 15 may 2006
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator Dennis Jacobs, Rolando Maduro
Description; vritness statement

Name: Andres Menses
Date: 26 may 2006
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs, Darol Wernet
Description: witness statement

Name: Andres Menses (6th statement)
Date: 05 June 2006
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Rolando Madura
Description: witness statement

Name: Andres Meneses
Date: 13 June 2006
Pages: 3
Writer /Initiator. Dennis Jacobs, Rolando Madura
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Andres Menses
Date: 19 June 2006
Pages: 2
Writer /Initiator: Bidjaikoemar Mohan, Rolando Maduro
Description: witness statement

Name: Andres Meneses
Date: 14 August 2006
Pages: 4
Writer /Initiator. Dennis Jacobs, Rolando Maduro
Description: witness statement

Just this

JORAN ADIMTS HE DID NOT PLAY TENNIS AFTER ALL THAT DAY

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - PAGE 98

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

[Anna]

I have looked and looked and I don't see any tears.  Where are the tears, Joran?

That's why I put part of his crying sequence into an animated gif, so we could study his NON tears. 

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Yes, Klaas, I am totally predictable, lol!

And I must insist that Kermit spit Muffy out right now!


 

[Buckeye]

(Natalee is only on the next page of the FBI site  - "Seeking Information.")  Strange.

I believe the FBI is investigating it as a homicide.  Others, under that heading, are dead.

When the Arubans came to the US, to meet with Bacchus, two FBI agents were involved.  One was the head of the Violent Crimes division.

[Anna]

Andres Menses did not live in Aruba.  I think he was a resident of somewhere else near by like Costa Rica.

Someone will remember that better than I do I am sure but he was big into civil air patrol and watching planes take off and land, photographing them all the time.  He also played games on line and possibly with Val as they both belonged to at least one of the same gaming sites.

[Buckeye]

Andres Menses did not live in Aruba.  I think he was a resident of somewhere else near by like Costa Rica.

Someone will remember that better than I do I am sure but he was big into civil air patrol and watching planes take off and land, photographing them all the time.  He also played games on line and possibly with Val as they both belonged to at least one of the same gaming sites.

That coincides with my memory.

[Anna]

That bird swamp could be searched simply by dividing it into a grid.  I love it when Dave Holloway was saying on Nancy Grace that if the OM couldn't search it, he could! 

Aruba has the mose bungling investigative methods I have ever seen.  They are below most Third World countries but why do I think this is on purpose?  It allows for the taking of bribes more easily.

And they did not have anti-corruption laws adapted at the time Natalee disappeared.  I remember being shocked when they attended a conference with developing African nations on this very subject.  All Aruba had to do was adapt the Dutch laws related to this but as usual, they drag their feet on doing that with any law they find inconvenient.  At one time there was a comment in one of the local articles that the Parliament was something like three years backed up on incorporating laws into the Aruban system.

We don't understand their system?  I think we do!  It is written so loosely as to be able to more or less make it up to fit the situation.

[klaasend]

Andres Menses did not live in Aruba.  I think he was a resident of somewhere else near by like Costa Rica.

Someone will remember that better than I do I am sure but he was big into civil air patrol and watching planes take off and land, photographing them all the time.  He also played games on line and possibly with Val as they both belonged to at least one of the same gaming sites.

That coincides with my memory.

I agree as well.  Plus this was around the time they started pushing the Natalee ran away or Beth whisked her off the island lie.

[Buckeye]

Translated

AMSTERDAM - Justice in Aruba is convinced that after two confessions Joran blame for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. But a solution is further away than ever.

Joran van der Sloot.

Chief Justice, Mr. Peter Blanken, says: "He knows where Natalee is unsuccessful, that is for me is certain. And he saw her last alive, I think even beyond any doubt. The smallest aid certificate would be enough." Whites agrees that the new confession of Van der Sloot is a puzzle piece in the timeline of the disappearance, including former Police Chief Gerald Dompig this week claimed. These are the "missing hours".

"His description of the events exactly covers the period between the time the cameras for the last signal until Natalee Joran night for three hours on the internet is active."

In his last few months so everything is done to check details. "And then he shows you that things might still withhold or twist something. Thus Natalee indeed a balcony of his cases, but this was not at that address." "We have scrutinized the house. The railing is so narrow that, if she would have danced, they should have an acrobat. Also the railing too high, with little space to the roof. It was not the balcony. Then rest at that point nothing provisionally. " He also claims that the car of the family of the alleged accomplice A. recently extended to detect investigated.

"The car story is true, but it was not this car. We found no blood. Even a tiny trace of Natalee DNA would be enough to bring him to justice." "So we have Joran themselves need to identify such track, and who refuses. I hope he never finds the courage. Even a full confession to the police is not enough, because without evidence support an issue." Whites suggests that especially in the U.S. is much misunderstanding exists about the European legal system: "In an American jury were two confessions enough for a conviction."

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6155338/___Joran_schuldig__maar_bewijs_ontbreekt___.html


Is the OM really saying that he is convinced that Joran saw Natalee alive and that's why he doesn't know where she ended up?? Now he's lying because he doesn't KNOW the truth??

 

[Anna]

(Natalee is only on the next page of the FBI site  - "Seeking Information.")  Strange.

I believe the FBI is investigating it as a homicide.  Others, under that heading, are dead.

Yes, she has been on that page for about three years now.  It's the page with the homicide victims and a few suspected of committing murder.  It's for those missing or found where foul play is pretty much a fact certain.  Note it mentions those with whom she was last seen.  There is little to no expectation of finding any of those alive listed on that page.  They are either known to be dead or the high probability is that they are.

[Buckeye]

That bird swamp could be searched simply by dividing it into a grid.  I love it when Dave Holloway was saying on Nancy Grace that if the OM couldn't search it, he could! 

Aruba has the mose bungling investigative methods I have ever seen.  They are below most Third World countries but why do I think this is on purpose?  It allows for the taking of bribes more easily.

And they did not have anti-corruption laws adapted at the time Natalee disappeared.  I remember being shocked when they attended a conference with developing African nations on this very subject.  All Aruba had to do was adapt the Dutch laws related to this but as usual, they drag their feet on doing that with any law they find inconvenient.  At one time there was a comment in one of the local articles that the Parliament was something like three years backed up on incorporating laws into the Aruban system.

We don't understand their system?  I think we do!  It is written so loosely as to be able to more or less make it up to fit the situation.

I still don't know if they ever passed that paternity/child support suggestion that was brought up a couple of years ago. If nothing is legislated in that "sovereign" country, there is no real penalty available.

[Anna]

Buckeye, these translations are very difficult.  I remember the funniest one was that Oduber had butter on his head!

That statement by the OM likely means Joran was the last to see Natalee alive but with Aruba you just never know.

Note the local article yesterday TxMom that has Natalee falling off the balcony at the Holiday Inn!  As though no one would notice that happening? 

But I think that means Joran was the last to see Natalee alive and Joran doesn't know where she was hidden. 

Now I wonder why he thinks Joran wouldn't know where she was hidden.  What does he know that we don't in this regard?

And why is Aruban OM and LE so adamant not to investigate this latest statement?  One would think they would be eager to check any and every lead to try to bring some resolution before their entire tourism industry tanks.  I suppose they still think this will just go away.  They are very slow on the uptake that it won't just fade away as planned by them.

Every time it comes to the front of the news, more and more people will form a very unfavorable opinion of Aruba.  I don't understand what part of that they don't get.

[Anna]

Well, one more day before Joran's grand performance is aired.  I hope it will give us some new information no matter how small.  He usually includes some element of truth intermingled with his lies and exaggerations.

Off to work and lurk. . . .hoping all Monkeys have a very nice day today!

[Magnolia]

I wonder how "A" feels about Joran's latest confession?

[Buckeye]

I wonder how "A" feels about Joran's latest confession?

Maybe Andre also has gambling debts since he and his father shared that special time. Maybe he agreed to Joran mentioning his name for a cut of the money.