Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 - 3/13/10

[Kermit]

From Klaas' clip of Steph Watts interview with Tim Miller:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

Steph Watts:  Is there any immediate plans to search the ocean, isn’t that sort of like looking for a needle in a haystack at this point in the case.

Tim Miller:  No not really, not with the equipment that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti have, absolutely not.  

In fact two years ago on December 30th we found a fish trap and we was almost positive it was Natalee’s body in that fish trap.  

We dove on it along with the Aruba authorities and then they said they’ve got to contact the Netherlands to see how to preserve it what to do with it and we was all going to dive on it together.  

Aruba authorities dove on it and then six weeks later they said the DNA came back as a male.  

So, did we find Natalee?  I don’t know.  It certainly looked like her clothes in that fish trap and again we know the night that Natalee disappeared the fisherman’s huts was broken into the knife was stolen; the big fish trap was stolen.  

It’s ironic we found one and I’ve actually got the pictures of that... you know what certainly appears to be a body in that fish trap.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/CageRemains_ArubaReportsMaleDNA_Lia.jpg

BACK-PEDDLING
February 28, 2010
STEPH WATTS RADIOtalkradio: DAVE HOLLOWAY AND TIM MILLER
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/profile.aspx?userurl=watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller says: we don't know really know we can't say positively sure it
was human remains we've got some pictures that made us wonder
John Silvetti doesn't feel 100% that it was that is why John wants to go back to search
we just got mixed messages on that and perhaps we over-reacted on that
what we seen at the time looked suspcious
I can't say positive one way or another what it was

[Kermit]

HE IS IN ARUBA

[carpe noctem]

[Kermit]

THE COLONOSCOPY TWINS

[Tamikosmom]

Could the reason that this particular pond was targeted in Joran's most recent confession was to concur with Dave Holloway and his suspicions early on?  Maybe Joran read ... Aruba: Corruption in Paradise ... prior to fabricating the most recent confession.

IMO ... the plan is well thought out IF there is a first hand witness who willingly implicates himself  and ... a location which a family member had targeted early on.

Janet

+++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 57/58:  On that same trip, my father-in-law, Melvin Parten, accompanied me at 5:30 a.m. to the island's bird sancturary.   This was where it had been reported that the cadaver dogs had some hits, but it was unclear whether it had been thoroughly searched.  It is twenty acres of waist-high stagnant water and lily pads, whcih we walked through for over three hours looking for clues about Natalee.  We did not realize that the water would be so deep and that the roots of the lily pads would obstruct our efforts to cross or search the water.  Not only would the lily pads obstruct our search, but we also realized that they were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area much more tedious.  Climbing up the bank onto the grass was very difficult.  Our attempts to go through the grass were almost impossible, and we felt that if someone were carrying 105 pound, they could not have gone very far.  We waded around for over three hours until the fatigue and heat set in.  We knew we needed more help to clear this area.  I remembered hearing that Joran had lost his sneakers near McDonalds, which is right next door to the sanctuary.  I almost lost my own shoes walkng through the mud, so I believe that Joran's sneakers may be inthere.

When my father-in-law and I were finished searching, the stench on us was so bad that we had to take the floor mats from the car and put them on the seats to sit on.  We drove straight to the ocean and jumped in to clean the sewage off before going back to wash our clothes.  We had to wash them twice to get the smell out.

[Rob]

I've often wondered what the fisherman who lost the trap may say when presented with the trap or photographs...hmmm.

and you might think that Tim or Kyle, or someone, would have said - hey, is this your missing trap? does it look like it resembles your trap even though it's encased with several years worth of barnacle encrustation.

or if the trap is too encrusted and his eyes too blood shot from bath-tub rum - maybe ask, is this the correct dimension...

in my opinion, nothing was done correctly because there was no plan.

[carpe noctem]

[Edward]

 

[Edward]

After the end of world war 2 the people lynched Mussolini.
Just a historical fact.

[Puzzler]

Thanks to Carpe, EURobert, Anna, and everyone else who contributed to the translations and posting of information!

After seeing the pics of the balcony, I think this story is BS.  JMO and only MO.  I look forward to hearing what Andre has to say now.


JMO and only MO.

Sorry...but I'm behind in readling....

Lifesong, I agreee, this balcony story is BS.  Maybe she fell and maybe she even fell from a balcony, BUT I don't believe it was this balcony.

[Ono]

I think the story of her going over the balcony could be true - except she was trying to escape from them at the time, not dance for them.

I think so too and I agree about his probably kicking her in the head-remember when he told his mother that if she ever showed up he would kick her???  That was so weird to me.

[Ono]

I don't like that crack OM Blankin made about American juries.  I really think those people believe that a jury just decides on their own guilt or innocence.

Apparently, they don't understand that the jury is read the law that pertains repeatedly, often given a copy of it and can ask for clarification for any part of it during deliberation.

They seem to think that a jury is at liberty to just make up their minds based on a whim or their own concept of right and wrong.

I think they are opposed to juries as they involve 12 people instead of one very bribable or blackmailable judge.  They don't seem to have any appreciation for the fact that all 12 have to vote guilty and it is hardly done on a lark.

Joran is unstable, out of control and has been linked to at least one disappearance and may well be delusional so why is he not in custody as a danger to himself and/or others?

I agree.

[klaasend]

Renfro has made here Facebook Wall comments private to only friends now.  Too late as I already captured the inappropriate comments of Anita Hugen van der Sloot:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1588057630

[Sharon/Tx]

^5 (high five) Klaasend!  You all are amazing with your sleuthing.  That interview with Tacopina......... unreal.   
Natalee's family deserves closure and justice!

[texasmom]

Video of Today Show.  Paul Reynolds (who didn't get a word in) and Joe Taco (who didn't shut up) were both on.

http://www.clipta.com/Video_New_confession_in_Holloway_case__nMzYzMDE1

i don't know how paul could stand even sitting beside that greasy @%$#@

I have a fantasy that Paul slugged Joey T after they went off air. 

 

[Sharon/Tx]

Could the reason that this particular pond was targeted in Joran's most recent confession was to concur with Dave Holloway and his suspicions early on?  Maybe Joran read ... Aruba: Corruption in Paradise ... prior to fabricating the most recent confession.

IMO ... the plan is well thought out IF there is a first hand witness who willingly implicates himself  and ... a location which a family member had targeted early on.

Janet

+++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 57/58:  On that same trip, my father-in-law, Melvin Parten, accompanied me at 5:30 a.m. to the island's bird sancturary.   This was where it had been reported that the cadaver dogs had some hits, but it was unclear whether it had been thoroughly searched.  It is twenty acres of waist-high stagnant water and lily pads, whcih we walked through for over three hours looking for clues about Natalee.  We did not realize that the water would be so deep and that the roots of the lily pads would obstruct our efforts to cross or search the water.  Not only would the lily pads obstruct our search, but we also realized that they were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area much more tedious.  Climbing up the bank onto the grass was very difficult.  Our attempts to go through the grass were almost impossible, and we felt that if someone were carrying 105 pound, they could not have gone very far.  We waded around for over three hours until the fatigue and heat set in.  We knew we needed more help to clear this area.  I remembered hearing that Joran had lost his sneakers near McDonalds, which is right next door to the sanctuary.  I almost lost my own shoes walkng through the mud, so I believe that Joran's sneakers may be inthere.

When my father-in-law and I were finished searching, the stench on us was so bad that we had to take the floor mats from the car and put them on the seats to sit on.  We drove straight to the ocean and jumped in to clean the sewage off before going back to wash our clothes.  We had to wash them twice to get the smell out.

 
I have this part highlighted in my book, Janet.  It gave me chills reading about the smell.  You bet he read it.

[Tamikosmom]

Could the reason that this particular pond was targeted in Joran's most recent confession was to concur with Dave Holloway and his suspicions early on?  Maybe Joran read ... Aruba: Corruption in Paradise ... prior to fabricating the most recent confession.

IMO ... the plan is well thought out IF there is a first hand witness who willingly implicates himself  and ... a location which a family member had targeted early on.

Janet

+++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 57/58:  On that same trip, my father-in-law, Melvin Parten, accompanied me at 5:30 a.m. to the island's bird sancturary.   This was where it had been reported that the cadaver dogs had some hits, but it was unclear whether it had been thoroughly searched.  It is twenty acres of waist-high stagnant water and lily pads, whcih we walked through for over three hours looking for clues about Natalee.  We did not realize that the water would be so deep and that the roots of the lily pads would obstruct our efforts to cross or search the water.  Not only would the lily pads obstruct our search, but we also realized that they were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area much more tedious.  Climbing up the bank onto the grass was very difficult.  Our attempts to go through the grass were almost impossible, and we felt that if someone were carrying 105 pound, they could not have gone very far.  We waded around for over three hours until the fatigue and heat set in.  We knew we needed more help to clear this area.  I remembered hearing that Joran had lost his sneakers near McDonalds, which is right next door to the sanctuary.  I almost lost my own shoes walkng through the mud, so I believe that Joran's sneakers may be inthere.

When my father-in-law and I were finished searching, the stench on us was so bad that we had to take the floor mats from the car and put them on the seats to sit on.  We drove straight to the ocean and jumped in to clean the sewage off before going back to wash our clothes.  We had to wash them twice to get the smell out.

 
I have this part highlighted in my book, Janet.  It gave me chills reading about the smell.  You bet he read it.

.... or whoever wrote the script for this latest confession.  Somehow ... I do not give Joran credit for putting two and two together.

Hi Sharon/Tx

 

Janet

[klaasend]

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[wreck]

Pouring sweat all up top...


...but just airing it out down below.

I know he was a lazy sloth...

...but I mean c'monnnnnnn.... ZIP IT UPPPPP. LOSER

Ain't nobody wantin' to  see your little tootsie roll, old man.

[robots]

the UGLY TACO MONSTER has boobs   

Pouring sweat all up top...


...but just airing it out down below.

I know he was a lazy sloth...

...but I mean c'monnnnnnn.... ZIP IT UPPPPP. LOSER

Ain't nobody wantin' to  see your little tootsie roll, old man.