Lively Case Discussion #493 7/13 - 7/14/2006

[SunFreak2]

OT for one minute, please.  Anyone know if prednsone makes you pee alot?  Have to take it for a bad case of poison Ivy.

It usually makes people retain water, but diuresis could happen as well.

[msmarple]

Hi Tyler and Justin's...(waving)

Can I get a little hint on how to get dressed here?  

memphis - avatars aren't working right now. You can go put it in your signature line instead. Paste the avatar photo's url and enclose in the img tags. (I think that's right.)

[KatzHome]

The other interesting thing I found about what was said was that he got a virus from the porn site.... and he didn't realize it???

  What a dweeb!  Not a chance he was an originator of that site...  training manual more like it...  I can't see giving Joran much more credit than that...

wanna-be creep... truly a creep ~ but a wanna-be more than he is...

[memphis]

And remember, the Netherlands is very involved in the coverup.

[KatzHome]

The other interesting thing I found about what was said was that he got a virus from the porn site.... and he didn't realize it???

I love your signature block, Mrs. Red...  I loved that whole post by the Purple Hippie ~ and noted that line as a particular great...

Strike really has my respect.

[SunFreak2]

Hi Everyone. Saw the comments about a spa & whether the MB kids would have used one. Here is a comment By Alana:

Jun 20, 2005 8:04 pm:  (responding to question, "Can you give us an idea of what kinds of activities the group, including Natalee, participated in over the week? I know you mentioned snorkeling, but what else did you do? ")  We were only there for four days... the first day we were all jet-lagged and exhausted, so mainly we just put on our swim suits and laid out...  Snorkeling took up a whole day (but it was SOOOO great! We got to see a sunken German War Ship from WWII and heard stories about it... cool stuff!) Some people went banana boating and windsurfing.... I got a massage! haha.... Mainly we just hung out on the beach and went swimming. Our hotel was wonderful! (and all-inclusive!!!)

Thanks, I was thinking a massage or an Aloe wrap.  These girls came from well-to-do families and are used to pampering.

[KatzHome]

It would appear that the book post from the Front page was a success ...

I think we may have to make that a weekly feature and add a chapter each time.

Yes Red that was really good. Did you read the post I made a few pages back? I will repeat it here. It is a post from Rob on blogs for Natalee. This is not the complete post. So I provided the link.

cut ...

Yup ... I saw it.

I think both Beth and Dave know exactly how we feel and the effort that we put in to try and help ... if nothing more at time than just support. Which when times get them down means a lot to them. That to me is all that is important.

We do the best we can and let others make up their own minds. You can't please everybody, but we can say we do most.

They know the support they get from SM and all the Monkeys both in the forums and on the FP. Many times its an unspoken thank you and at other times its verbalized. However, they know they don't have to say a word .. thats not why we do it.

Its the nicest thing in the world to get a thank you or a compliment from Beth because there is so much that goes on behind the scenes that it is tiring. However, as I say to Beth ... you don't have to say anything because it is our privilege to try and help in any way we can.

Help is just that ... help in any manor and that does not mean creating more issues for a family that has gone through enough. That goes for Beth, Dave and every other family we will try and help.

Tom & I never got in this for the fame as no one ever knew what this would become. We posted a single story and from what I read what was going on having much experience with Aruba I knew what was about to happen. No one knew back then the explosion and fascination that would become the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

You have to remember last year at this time SM was getting 1.4 million unique hits last July. Tom & I like to joke as obviously 13 months later nothing could maintain that velocity ... we borrow the line ... its not that our audience is waning ... its just getting more select ,,,  

If anyone can tell me what movie that line is from you are good.

We have never wavered from our families support and have worked through thick & thin which is what creates trust and credibility with not just the family, but the MSM who contacts us and you, the readers.

We were in this from day one and remain to the end despite of what others have attempted to do to stop us. Frankly some of the foolishness that people have tried to do is just that.

Its never been about Tom & I, its always been about the story. We joke around and many times we make our point through sarcasm.

So as long as Beth & Dave know what we are all about, thats good enough for us ... frankly it should be good enough for all of us.

Sorry for the dissertation ... Get on a roll and cant stop typing.

What a great post, Red ~ I'm glad you were on a roll tonight.  {{{hugs}}}

[Spock]

The theory that she may have been turned over to a second group, opens alot of possibilities and helps with the timeline.

That is a possibility.  What if they needed a video for the "group they turned her over to, in order to prove what they had?"

Turning her over to the second group might also explain the trip to the "bangbus" porn site.

[KatzHome]

Red, the ones who are here now are the ones who care enough to persevere. It takes time and effort to follow all this. We're hanging in despite all that has been thrown up against us.

I see that 60-day mark approaching and am thinking... maybe...maybe... all this the last few weeks is the calm before Hurricane Kelly strikes.

I hope you're right about Hurricane Kelly, SB....

[Tylergal]

The theory that she may have been turned over to a second group, opens alot of possibilities and helps with the timeline.

That is a possibility.  What if they needed a video for the "group they turned her over to, in order to prove what they had?"

Turning her over to the second group might also explain the trip to the "bangbus" porn site.

That's a very good point.

[klaasend]

The theory that she may have been turned over to a second group, opens alot of possibilities and helps with the timeline.

That is a possibility.  What if they needed a video for the "group they turned her over to, in order to prove what they had?"

Turning her over to the second group might also explain the trip to the "bangbus" porn site.

It could. I have a feeling that it was simpler than that.  Personally, I think it was Joran/Deepak/Satish/Freddy and a video.  Something bad happened and she died - they scrambled to get rid of her body.  Paulus and ALE step up and help coverup and properly dispose of her body.

[sb]

The theory that she may have been turned over to a second group, opens alot of possibilities and helps with the timeline.

That is a possibility.  What if they needed a video for the "group they turned her over to, in order to prove what they had?"

I actually think Joran is more entrepreneur than psychopath.    

Joran is crazy like a fox.   again.

I think with him it was all about the "Benjamins" and the "fringe benefits". Sample the merchandise and pass it along to the market.

[KatzHome]

And, thank you for saying that, SB...

"...the ones who are here now are the ones who care enough to persevere."

[spooky112483]

so we know for a fact he visited a porn site that night and we know which one. I dont think he was trying to upload anything at that point. maybe he was trying to get info or CONTACTS as to what to do with what he had. And remember just because this was Jorans computer doesnt mean it was Joran. Who supposedly was spending the night at Jorans? Who would know what website to go to and who to contact? Freddy maybe?

[Sue]

It would appear that the book post from the Front page was a success ...

I think we may have to make that a weekly feature and add a chapter each time.

Yes Red that was really good. Did you read the post I made a few pages back? I will repeat it here. It is a post from Rob on blogs for Natalee. This is not the complete post. So I provided the link.

cut ...

Yup ... I saw it.

I think both Beth and Dave know exactly how we feel and the effort that we put in to try and help ... if nothing more at time than just support. Which when times get them down means a lot to them. That to me is all that is important.

We do the best we can and let others make up their own minds. You can't please everybody, but we can say we do most.

They know the support they get from SM and all the Monkeys both in the forums and on the FP. Many times its an unspoken thank you and at other times its verbalized. However, they know they don't have to say a word .. thats not why we do it.

Its the nicest thing in the world to get a thank you or a compliment from Beth because there is so much that goes on behind the scenes that it is tiring. However, as I say to Beth ... you don't have to say anything because it is our privilege to try and help in any way we can.

Help is just that ... help in any manor and that does not mean creating more issues for a family that has gone through enough. That goes for Beth, Dave and every other family we will try and help.

Tom & I never got in this for the fame as no one ever knew what this would become. We posted a single story and from what I read what was going on having much experience with Aruba I knew what was about to happen. No one knew back then the explosion and fascination that would become the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

You have to remember last year at this time SM was getting 1.4 million unique hits last July. Tom & I like to joke as obviously 13 months later nothing could maintain that velocity ... we borrow the line ... its not that our audience is waning ... its just getting more select ,,,  

If anyone can tell me what movie that line is from you are good.

We have never wavered from our families support and have worked through thick & thin which is what creates trust and credibility with not just the family, but the MSM who contacts us and you, the readers.

We were in this from day one and remain to the end despite of what others have attempted to do to stop us. Frankly some of the foolishness that people have tried to do is just that.

Its never been about Tom & I, its always been about the story. We joke around and many times we make our point through sarcasm.

So as long as Beth & Dave know what we are all about, thats good enough for us ... frankly it should be good enough for all of us.

Sorry for the dissertation ... Get on a roll and cant stop typing.

What a great post, Red ~ I'm glad you were on a roll tonight.  {{{hugs}}}

I thank god for this SITE everyday , for the days we hear nothing it is everyone here that keeps this case alive reguardless of who reads this
I know I would give anything to see resolve in this case.. I may not say alot but I sure do feel alot

[nomad]

I believe J2K were carrying out their perverted fantasies...I came across the following in a search.  I am going to post one thing I found, but am removing links to sites....I didn't go to them out of fear, and don't want anyone else to either....   ....and get a virus!

Here goes!

February 15, 2005
Pink Visual Releases All-New Reality DVDs

(Tucson, AZ) - Pink Visual Productions XXXXXXXXXX is proud to unveil its latest addition of raw, raunchy, reality DVDs culled from the most popular niches of their renowned Internet content.

These second and third installments of consumer favorites: MILF, Teens for Cash  Her First Lesbian Experience and Back Seat Bangers, feature first-timers and unsuspecting hotties in hot and hardcore action.



"Pink Visual's high production quality and fresh faces, make us a stand-out product in the hot reality genre," said Kim Kysar, Pink Visual's Distribution Manager. "Our online consumers have been asking for our series to go to DVD for quite a while, and they're eagerly scooping up our titles in the stores and at XXXXXXXXX. The demand for our titles is continuing to gain momentum, as we branch out into the DVD side of the business."

Distributors continue to clamor for this kind of high-quality, exclusive porn as the lucrative adult DVD market expands.

"We offer distributors a great opportunity to leverage the online popularity of our "reality porn" series offline," said Lee Bucyk, Director of Marketing/PR for Cyberheat, Inc. "Pink Visual now offers 25 titles that feature exclusive, cut-to-the chase smut. And, we have an aggressive release schedule planned for 2005 that will give distributors an opportunity to cash in and make the reality porn trend pay."

Consumers may purchase any of Pink Visual's titles at XXXXXXXX and distributors can contact the company at XXXXXXX or via email at XXXXX.

The part "unsuspecting hotties" stood out to me. It could be J2K were acting out what they had previously viewed. What was it? 20 some times?? Then something bad happened.

They and all this porn stuff makes me sick! God Bless Poor Natalie!

[msmarple]

Good night monkeys!

[memphis]

The theory that she may have been turned over to a second group, opens alot of possibilities and helps with the timeline.

That is a possibility.  What if they needed a video for the "group they turned her over to, in order to prove what they had?"

Turning her over to the second group might also explain the trip to the "bangbus" porn site.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what do you mean?

[SunFreak2]

Was a video uploaded from Joran's home to that site afterwards?

I'm not sure they were making a snuff video that night...  but I'd chance a guess that Joran and Deepak were turned on by them...  and maybe that's what happened...

I'm wondering if Joran was into that erotic asphyxiation, and that's how Natalee died.  Joran was in that picture of him choking the other kid with the belt.  I could even see Joran as bisexual, getting it on with Guido & Natalee with Freddy taping it.  Joran gets so worked up that he pulls the belt tighter and tighter around Natalee's neck until she expires.  Would particpating in killing by accidental asphyxiation during a sexual tryst be considered heavy battery?

[msmarple]

Spooky - You turned up just as I announced my departure. You should have an email from mrs. red. I want a Honda. Got one?